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Off the Ball to be fair have spoken about Dublin's dominance. Dublin are beatable but 8+ in a row is more likely. RTE while shying away from superlatives have questioned are the rest playing for second place? The Irish Independent then have asked is splitting Dublin etc. crackpot or sensible? Former Dublin players have spoken about the dogs on the street understanding home advantage. Others have said what we are witnessing needs to shown to be more than something cyclical. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 13/08/2019 18:03:54 2225221 Link 0 |
Excellent point about the back door. Nothing said about that. But I suppose haters gonna hate. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 13/08/2019 18:36:36 2225233 Link 2 |
When Offaly stopped Kerry's bid for five in '82 they had no pressure of expectation whatsoever on them and caught Kerry cold right at the death. The Dubs players will be alive to the fact that Kerry will take the achievement of them winning 5 as a very direct challenge and so they won't be taking to the pitch with any complacency in a couple of week's time. Thus, assuming they win this one, the overall title gap between themselves and the Kingdom will be down to 8. I don't know how long Jim Gavin intends to hang around for, but it wouldn't surprise me to discover that his long term aim is to overhaul Kerry, and while something like a 10 in a row is still a bit outlandish (though not preposterous given what's been happening), you wouldn't bet against this aim being achievable by 2030. It's a bit like climate change... by the time you get to see the effects it's too late to stop the momentum, so it could be Sam famine for the foreseeable for the rest of us. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 13/08/2019 18:48:40 2225236 Link 1 |
I really don't get all the words written about the so called vast amounts of money being spent in/on Dublin GAA and the massive advantage that this cash brings to Dublin. BlueBeret (Dublin) - Posts: 54 - 14/08/2019 00:50:26 2225365 Link 0 |
As they have 4 in the bag - that's 6 more in a row. At 12/1, I think those odds are bad value. Let's assume Dubs are 4/6 each year for 6 yrs - that would yield about 20/1 - 12/1 looks shabby to me - I'd rather put 12 down to win 1 that it doesn't happen (it only takes one slip up for imperfection). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 14/08/2019 02:37:27 2225377 Link 0 |
Do you believe that in order to have 'competition' we need a new model ? Should teams represent their local givernment area instead ? - seriously, what do we / will we need ? - go pro like Pro 14 or LOI ? - with 5 or 6 teams from Dublin ? - would it be more attractive right now to see a few Dub derby matches ? Too many questions, not enough answers ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 14/08/2019 02:49:46 2225378 Link 0 |
I agree that money isn't the sole factor, since players can't be bought, and they still have to be local, talented, coached and medically looked after etc. with most counties managing these things to a reasonable standard for a certain sized player pool. So the main factor is mobilisation of resources... the bigger a pick of developed talent available, the more sustainable will be the efforts on the pitch. Combine this with some definite logistical advantages over the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Donegal etc. and now at this point, the huge confidence differential which empowers all new Dubs players to express themselves when they get the chance, and you've got what we see now and likely for the foreseeable.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 14/08/2019 15:12:03 2225640 Link 0 |
Never mind 10 in a row, Kerry are 9/2 for an All-Ireland final!!! Unheard of, get on it. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 14/08/2019 19:14:29 2225772 Link 5 |
100e on draw at 11/1 is my bet
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 14/08/2019 20:06:19 2225788 Link 1 |
You'd probably get longer odds on PSG winning Ligue 1 10 times in a row! eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 154 - 14/08/2019 20:32:03 2225796 Link 0 |
Hmmm interesting
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 14/08/2019 21:55:19 2225832 Link 2 |
Are you actually going to stick a ton on that???
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 14/08/2019 22:29:43 2225849 Link 4 |
That's an educated guess that's all though.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/08/2019 17:05:47 2226095 Link 0 |
"I could bring it through Finance because it involved coaching kids," Ahern explains. "It was school, it was afterschool . . . we had to gear the whole thing back to school because that was the only way I could justify it. I said it would have to be absolutely transparent and public, because I'd get hammered [otherwise], and that's what we did. "We put it up as a pilot project, and I made a few speeches. I built it into the estimates that it was a pilot that would continue in Dublin, and if other people wanted to add in bits later on, fine, but Dublin would remain, and that's what I did. I did it on the basis that GAA in Dublin wasn't dead but it was weak." By building the project into the estimates, Ahern ensured that it was set in stone even if he moved out of Finance. Of course, the fact that he went on to be Taoiseach helped too. Clubs were forced to adhere to strict rules and it took quite some time for the project to build momentum. To Ahern it wasn't rocket science. He spent his holidays in Kerry, where they had been doing all that without State aid for generations. "You have to butter the bread," he says, "before you put the sambo together." Irish Independent, 29 September 2018. Read the second last sentence again! I rest my case. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 16/08/2019 08:28:02 2226248 Link 2 |
of course he isn't, you would have to be out of your mind to lump a ton on a draw.
boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 16/08/2019 11:13:47 2226312 Link 0 |
, and that's what we did. "We put it up as a pilot project, and I made a few speeches. I built it into the estimates that it was a pilot that would continue in Dublin, and if other people wanted to add in bits later on, fine, but Dublin would remain, and that's what I did. I did it on the basis that GAA in Dublin wasn't dead but it was weak." By building the project into the estimates, Ahern ensured that it was set in stone even if he moved out of Finance. Of course, the fact that he went on to be Taoiseach helped too. Clubs were forced to adhere to strict rules and it took quite some time for the project to build momentum. To Ahern it wasn't rocket science. He spent his holidays in Kerry, where they had been doing all that without State aid for generations. "You have to butter the bread," he says, "before you put the sambo together." Irish Independent, 29 September 2018. Read the second last sentence again! I rest my case."]Great post, a man who was Minister for Finance, yet had no bank account & we were expected to swallow it. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 16/08/2019 19:35:23 2226551 Link 1 |
I have been looking at the internet trying to find current Dublin odds for consecutive All Irelands (6 in a row/ 7 in a row/ 8 in a row/ 9 in a row/ 10 in a row etc.) but can't find them. Anyone have a link to a website that would have this?. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 05/12/2020 20:28:15 2318758 Link 0 |
The great Kerry and Kilkenny teams maxed out on golden generations and dropped back into the pack following those teams ageing, the different and worrying thing is of Dublin's starting 15 in the 2015 final only 6 started tonight, they've transitioned already and arguably got more dominant while doing so. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 05/12/2020 20:40:12 2318776 Link 0 |
You'd have to email them for odds, I'd say after the final they will put the markets for consecutive All Ireland up again for a while
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 05/12/2020 20:41:48 2318779 Link 0 |
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 05/12/2020 20:51:51 2318787 Link 0 |