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"Why Should Anybody Have The God-Given Right To See All Games On Television?"

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Replying To GreenandRed: "I'd still prefer that my €160 wasn't feeding a lot of public servants who also get some of my tax when I rarely watch RTE. I'd prefer if it all went to TG4 who promote our language and seem more clued in as shown by them live streaming games on YouTube." Agreed, TG4 put the rest of them to shame with their excellent coverage all year round. Top class analysts on all broadcasts too. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2269 - 09/08/2019 09:57:33 2222939 Link
Replying To Bon: "Agreed, TG4 put the rest of them to shame with their excellent coverage all year round. Top class analysts on all broadcasts too." All well and good if you understand what they're saying, but if you're like most of the population who haven't a clue what they're saying, then it's not so good!! gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 09/08/2019 12:10:26 2222989 Link
Replying To DUALSUPPORT: ""The God given right to watch games is a bit extreme for Mickey Harte to put it but I don't blame him for his boycott and dislike for RTE. What they did to him at that particular time was low. The sky deal is not for reaching a wider audience for the GAA it was greed from the Croke Park executive board and is 1 of many disregards the GAA hq has for grassroots and supporters. Now I'm not a fan of RTE either especially their stardard of programming and excessive salaries for employees but that's a different argument. RTE are not interested in catering for everyone either when I was living in Canada the rte player had games blocked for people outside of Ireland. They didn't like it either when TV3 were showing games, for a long time their main sport interest was rugby until they lost the rights of the 6 nations to virgin media. The tv station that has done the most for gealic games is TG4 showing great coverage for league, underage and club games. The GAA prides and promotes itself on its amateur and community etiquettes when it suits. All games should be on free to air tv shared between RTE, virgin media and TG4 and maybe give sky international rights to games." It's very common practice for broadcasters to geo block programmes. So complaining about rte not showing for people in Canada cant be a criticism of them Its cliched to say rugby was their main interest when they've nearly always shown more gaa than rugby in a calender year Just because the association doesnt pay players doesnt mean should be free to air. There isnt a or should be a link between the two KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 09/08/2019 12:38:21 2222998 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "All well and good if you understand what they're saying, but if you're like most of the population who haven't a clue what they're saying, then it's not so good!!" If I go to a live game, there's no commentary. I don't need a commentary - in English or Irish - to enjoy the game. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 09/08/2019 13:07:55 2223009 Link
Replying To lionofludesch: "If I go to a live game, there's no commentary. I don't need a commentary - in English or Irish - to enjoy the game." I agree and most ppl are not interested in the pundits or their analysis either, they can make their own judgements on the game. The games could easily be shown at very little cost with modern technology. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 09/08/2019 13:18:22 2223012 Link
We are spoiled at the number of games on Television and people still whinge. The real supporters are the people that attend the games. Mickey Harte is correct as to why should anybody have The God-Given right to see all games on television. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 09/08/2019 13:54:54 2223028 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "All well and good if you understand what they're saying, but if you're like most of the population who haven't a clue what they're saying, then it's not so good!!" The vast majority of people can understand enough to get what's going on in the game. Just because you can't doesn't mean that most can't. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 09/08/2019 14:13:59 2223033 Link
Replying To fainleog: "We are spoiled at the number of games on Television and people still whinge. The real supporters are the people that attend the games. Mickey Harte is correct as to why should anybody have The God-Given right to see all games on television." How could most of the 'real supporters' attend the game in Castlebar when the capacity was less than 20k, an All Ireland Quarter Final? baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 09/08/2019 14:16:15 2223034 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "All well and good if you understand what they're saying, but if you're like most of the population who haven't a clue what they're saying, then it's not so good!!" I agree, they should have a red button for English commentary like what s4c does in Wales PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 09/08/2019 14:35:41 2223045 Link
Replying To baire: "How could most of the 'real supporters' attend the game in Castlebar when the capacity was less than 20k, an All Ireland Quarter Final?" The attendance was in excess of 27,000. Mayo have the best supporters in the country. The game was televised. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 09/08/2019 14:56:26 2223062 Link
Replying To PyatPree: "I agree, they should have a red button for English commentary like what s4c does in Wales" Or maybe the Irish language can be forced upon people, to an extremely small extent, because it ain't gonna survive if it's not given special priority by the media in some broadcasts and in this instance, the English language isn't exactly necessary when you can see and understand everything that happens with the TV on mute. eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 159 - 09/08/2019 15:10:25 2223068 Link
Replying To eoghan6688: "Or maybe the Irish language can be forced upon people, to an extremely small extent, because it ain't gonna survive if it's not given special priority by the media in some broadcasts and in this instance, the English language isn't exactly necessary when you can see and understand everything that happens with the TV on mute." I think some of the drop off in speaking Irish is to do with the huge inlux of technology media we've seen in the past 20 years and probably moreso the past 20 years and almost all English speaking. People read books less and less, in English or other languages. TV, Tablets, Phones, Laptops beaming us stuff through the internet that catches the imagination of out youth's. Somehow we need to come up with a way to get people young and old voluntarily interested in speaking Irish. Even kids out training having to speak as Gaeilge during the training sessions might be worth it but it's definitely easier said than done. Put the Cúl back into Cúlcamps and promote Irish and the GAA too. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7923 - 09/08/2019 15:19:58 2223073 Link
If tg4 can't afford English commentary alongside the Irish why not a red button option just to mute the commentary and leave the crowd noise on, extra mics along the sideline just to hear the choice comments flying in. Far more entertaining. RTE should do the same, especially when Daragh and dessssssssie are on match duty Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 09/08/2019 15:23:54 2223075 Link
Replying To fainleog: "The attendance was in excess of 27,000. Mayo have the best supporters in the country. The game was televised." How many people have Sky in rural Mayo or Donegal? baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 09/08/2019 15:33:42 2223080 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "It's very common practice for broadcasters to geo block programmes. So complaining about rte not showing for people in Canada cant be a criticism of them Its cliched to say rugby was their main interest when they've nearly always shown more gaa than rugby in a calender year Just because the association doesnt pay players doesnt mean should be free to air. There isnt a or should be a link between the two" First If i came across that I'm anti-rugby I'm not I played rugby myself from u14 to u20. but you can't say in all honesty that RTE sports hadn't a preference for rugby, they promoted the hell out of rugby compared to soccer and gealic games, it was no coincidence that when RTE lost the rights to the 6 nations their head of sports left to go to another station. Fair enough broadcasters geo block programmes but the amount of young people that were forced to immigrate earlier this decade our 'state broadcaster' should have relaxed geo blocking for GAA, rugby and soccer games for people overseas who wanted to watch them it would have done no harm. Now i don't want to get away from the topic of discussion here, I would agree with your last point if the GAA was just simply an amateur organisations, it's alot more than that, the foundations of the association is based on grassroots and community volunteers, the GAA is giving nothing back to these people, the least they could do is let them see our games. Michael Duignan hit the nail on the head when he called it out on The Sunday Game a few years ago. DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 09/08/2019 15:35:30 2223081 Link
Replying To Thelonesomegoose: "If tg4 can't afford English commentary alongside the Irish why not a red button option just to mute the commentary and leave the crowd noise on, extra mics along the sideline just to hear the choice comments flying in. Far more entertaining. RTE should do the same, especially when Daragh and dessssssssie are on match duty" Would that not be a massive insult to all the commentators though as it would imply that RTE, or anyone else, thinks their awful and not worth listening to? eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 159 - 09/08/2019 15:44:29 2223085 Link
All you need to know for watching games on TG4. Dochreidte = Unbelievable Scuabadóir = Sweeper Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 09/08/2019 15:54:05 2223094 Link
Replying To eoghan6688: "Would that not be a massive insult to all the commentators though as it would imply that RTE, or anyone else, thinks their awful and not worth listening to?" You'd get better punditry in the local from a lad that's been out since holy hour than the commentators on rte tv and their football sidekicks. Hurling pundits on live games are a bit better Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 09/08/2019 15:54:56 2223095 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "I think some of the drop off in speaking Irish is to do with the huge inlux of technology media we've seen in the past 20 years and probably moreso the past 20 years and almost all English speaking. People read books less and less, in English or other languages. TV, Tablets, Phones, Laptops beaming us stuff through the internet that catches the imagination of out youth's. Somehow we need to come up with a way to get people young and old voluntarily interested in speaking Irish. Even kids out training having to speak as Gaeilge during the training sessions might be worth it but it's definitely easier said than done. Put the Cúl back into Cúlcamps and promote Irish and the GAA too." Maith thú, well said. Give people the space and ability to interact through Irish and you'll see an uptake in it's usage. Just have a look at the popularity of the Pop Up Gaeltachts. It sticks in the craw of some that TG4 dare to "force" the language on them, but that's why they're here, to promote the language through their programming. I've said it on another thread but I thoroughly enjoy their coverage, and love the commentary and certain words in the context of a high pressure match. My favourite is definitely "botún!" in that Connemara accent! JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 09/08/2019 15:56:55 2223096 Link
Replying To gilly1910: "All well and good if you understand what they're saying, but if you're like most of the population who haven't a clue what they're saying, then it's not so good!!" Do you really need a commentator to tell you what you can see in front of you? Are you watching tg4 on radio? conordee (Galway) - Posts: 451 - 09/08/2019 16:12:45 2223101 Link