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Cork Under 20'S

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Replying To HandballRef:  "Looking at the roll of honour in this competition (Munster u-21/u-20), I was amased to see that Kerry have only won it four times in the last 20 years, whereas Cork have won 12 times. Cork were also only beaten by a point in 2015 to a Tipp team that very nearly won the All Ireland against Tyrone. They have pretty much dominated this decade at this level and also won an All Ireland in 2009.

What are the main reasons for this talent being lost at senior level or why they are they not fulfilling their potential? Obviously there is an unbelievable amount of talent there. A number of players have opted for hurling I know, but it must be hugely frustrating if you are a Cork supporter, considering the players that are there."
Cork dominated this grade until the last 3 or 4 years. I could be wrong but I thought that Cork had won 10 out of the previous 14 up to 2017, with Kerry winning twice and Tipperary winning twice.
The simple answer as to why this has not followed through to senior is that there isn't one. There will s a massive difference between u20/21 and senior. It just does not compare. Also, other counties have taken teams from underage and put them into a development system to play a certain way, to reflect senior systems. Cork never did this. Whilst talent is there, the tactical awareness was not and they naturally fell behind other counties. This is a feature in Cork with both codes.
One poster has commented on the quality of last night not being up to scratch. I think he is wrong with that assessment but understand where he's coming from. The quality of skill and ability was top class. The tactical awareness from both teams and unusually Kerry, in terms of a match with Cork, was lacking. That is typical Cork and needs to be addressed to make the senior team competitive at the top level.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 198 - 19/07/2019 16:20:55    2213224


Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd agree to an extent, but in reality, most counties aren't really missing anyone. Fair enough, Kerry have a very obvious example in Clifford (and O'Connor), but I can't think of anyone else. In most of these scenarios, the senior managers have left the players to develop at U20.
I believe Sean Mulkerrin would have been on the senior panel this year in Galway, but they let him play U20. The same with Canavan's young lad in Tyrone.
Almost all teams are picking from the full compliment, so you can't argue that the quality has plummeted because of that.
I do think that the timing has impacted on the level of exposure it's getting though."
Oisin Gallen another very obvious omission who is also eligible next year.

On a separate note to Galway posters what happened to Evan Murphy? He was a very talented minor as we in Donegal found to our cost. Plus I had seen him separately. I think he had injury issues and is also a very talented footballer with cross channel interest.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2449 - 19/07/2019 18:27:27    2213256


yes a lot people didn't realise cork have been domiant at this grade
I think its the structures might be the problem in cork
that is the way the league and various grades are set up in the county
and of course maybe nows the time to get it right
cork never lacked for good footballers that's for sure

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1214 - 19/07/2019 18:29:33    2213257


Replying To clondalkindub:  "How wrong is it that county players like Clifford are not allowed play at this level? Ridiculous stuff, Kerry with Clifford probably win that game but now it's low morale for Kerry football and if their seniors don't win Sam it's a bad year for Kerry football , where as if Clifford plays and they win the all Ireland its a great moral boost for the county.

Why is this rule in place? Kerry are being done over big time by this rule more than any other county I can't see how this is a fair rule."
Couldn't disagree with you more,it's the smaller counties that are at a huge disadvantage.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 517 - 19/07/2019 21:17:29    2213310


Replying To clondalkindub:  "It's absolutely a ridiculous rule , probably the worst one they've ever made up, if Kerry want to play Clifford in an under 20 championship game that's their business and no one else's. Madness"
It is clon, but I suppose Clifford and o'connor Are getting better training inside with the seniors .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11709 - 19/07/2019 22:00:21    2213325