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Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I don't really mind the bit narrative and hype when it comes to our footballers to be honest.

I don't believe the success is funded to be honest and I've looked into it in great detail to be honest and tried to look at it with an open mind.

It's very hard to have a good discussion on it because on these threads you find people just vent and stick to dogmatic stuff in an entrenched position.

The one advantage I would acknowledge is the Croke Park, if your not playing Dublin in Croke Park your playing in a lifeless stadium, if you are playing then there your the away team, mostly in support, but even not your not depressing Croke Park from Dublin or Dublin from Croke Park, it's a part of what Dublin is.

Part of me wants to perpetuate money narrative, it serves to purposes one I think its a comfort blanket for supporters of other counties to say, we are not gash at football if we had Dublins money .,........:!

Secondly I think it seeping out there into the heads of the players, it's adding to the aura around Dublin and more and more creating a fear amongst county players. In the past two seasons I can't think of a team we've played in the championship that believed they were going to beat us, just can't. I think you have to go back to the 17 final.

Now don't get me wrong I think we are a have like the rest and majority of Div 1 Div 2 counties, rather then a have not. We don't want fir anything.

But I'm pretty comfortable with what we do financially, have yet to see a decent analytical smoking gun and certainly having looked into it detail can sit back and just enjoy the ball.

I'm happy enough for journos and anyone on here to keep taking swings, I really think it's undermining of any opposition we face, it's just adding to our aura really.

Jacks are back! ;)"
Just because you keep using the word honest that doesn't make what you're saying true.

I think you really want to believe it's true and you really really want us to buy what you're pedaling, but thankfully we can all see through it.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/06/2019 14:33:41    2195245

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Dublin 1.6m. Cork 542,000. Latest figures I have (2008-2017) Dublin got ) )€18m and Cork got ) €1.4m . Cork have one third of Dublin's population yet they get one thirteenth of the money on average per year every year for ten years . Redistribute it proportionally nationwide . Meath have one eighth of Dublin's population yet they only get one eighteenth of Dublin's money . The games should be administered for everyone's benefit Joxer otherwise the competitions we all love will be damaged beyond repair . Leinster is already dead ."
I'm with you on this by the way. I just want to know what this fair and equitable system is. Meath has multiples of the population of Leitrim, Carlow. Cork has multiples of the population of Meath. Dublin has multiples of the population of Cork. So logic would dictate that Dublin should always have multiples of the funding of any county. Plus Cork and Dublin are dual code counties.

So how much per head of population? Let's sat €2 per head. Dublin gets €3.2m and Meath gets €400K. But is Meath dual code? Should that €400K be diluted further, perhaps by 1/3? You see where this is going? There is no magic number here. I guess population, dual code status, number of clubs, number of schools? No matter what way you dice it Dublin would have to receive multiples of that of any other county. Certainly an imbalance as things stand but I should imagine that this will be addressed. GAA under serious pressure to wrestle young kids' interest away from soccer and rugby in the capital. Not too sure if that's such a factor in some other counties.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4744 - 15/06/2019 15:20:59    2195264

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Just because you keep using the word honest that doesn't make what you're saying true.

I think you really want to believe it's true and you really really want us to buy what you're pedaling, but thankfully we can all see through it."
And likewise of course.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4744 - 15/06/2019 15:21:36    2195266

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Replying To Joxer:  "And likewise of course."
We can't all be wrong kid.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/06/2019 16:02:31    2195285

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Our minor hurlers bet our senior hurlers will more than likely be bet later , why if it's all about money have we been average at hurling for decades? Please don't say we're coming at a lower ebb than the footballers we've the population so it shouldn't matter where your coming from ,this money is coming in nearly 20 years now. Or just maybe we've a once in a lifetime great football team ? Just "maybe" anyone ?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/06/2019 17:10:02    2195304

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We can't all be wrong kid."
Why not kid ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 15/06/2019 18:25:40    2195334

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Our minor hurlers bet our senior hurlers will more than likely be bet later , why if it's all about money have we been average at hurling for decades? Please don't say we're coming at a lower ebb than the footballers we've the population so it shouldn't matter where your coming from ,this money is coming in nearly 20 years now. Or just maybe we've a once in a lifetime great football team ? Just "maybe" anyone ?"
That's a bit of a false equivalence. Firstly the Dublin hurlers have come a long way and winning a Leinster title was a serious achievement. They were starting from a very low level and the investment clearly has helped.

Dublin footballers have always been a superpower on the other hand. They were starting from a much higher level than the hurlers.

Also the current team is very different from the team that won the first all Ireland at the start of this era. Not really a once in a generation team.

I agree that investment alone doesn't make a good team. Lots of hard work has gone into Dublin GAA through volunteers at underage level. But when you have good players and good management structures, and then add huge investment it's a bit like adding rocket fuel. The playing field is now heavily unbalanced. I don't think Dublin will win every all Ireland but they'll win the vast majority unless a rebalancing act takes place.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 15/06/2019 18:40:52    2195343

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yeah that's because Dublin had the floor wiped with then in the two previous years. Big Joe Kernan had invented and mastered the blanket when at the helm of Armagh before Gilroy. McGuinness brought it to an incredible level in 2011. I don't know where Meath were during all of this, rowing over managerial appointments probably."
You are now on record defending Dublin playing puke football when it was necessary. So please don't take digs at any county that tries this tactic against Dublin in future. Or any minnow in general.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 15/06/2019 19:46:53    2195372

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Replying To Joxer:  "15 v 15. Get your medals out lad and stop making excuses."
Dub asking a kerry man, to get out his medals......when kerry have approx 9 or 10 more all irelands......dubs are funny!!

Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 15/06/2019 20:11:48    2195379

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Our minor hurlers bet our senior hurlers will more than likely be bet later , why if it's all about money have we been average at hurling for decades? Please don't say we're coming at a lower ebb than the footballers we've the population so it shouldn't matter where your coming from ,this money is coming in nearly 20 years now. Or just maybe we've a once in a lifetime great football team ? Just "maybe" anyone ?"
The money finally arrived, always knew cheque was in the post.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2217 - 15/06/2019 20:40:09    2195398

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Dublin hurlers just knocked Galway out of the allireland and they say money doesn't matter.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/06/2019 20:41:01    2195402

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "You are now on record defending Dublin playing puke football when it was necessary. So please don't take digs at any county that tries this tactic against Dublin in future. Or any minnow in general."
Where have I ever slated any county for playing puke football? I've simply said that it has become a blight on the game and is certainly responsible for a loss in entertainment value and product in general. Thank God for the slick Dubs. And I fully expect the proud Royal to go toe to toe with the champs next week. There's no nausea in Navan.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4744 - 15/06/2019 20:46:00    2195411

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Scratching their heads wondering where the next golden generation was on the way

Unfortunately for Meath they greatly over achieved with back to back great teams

Meath achieved 4 out of 7 All Ireland's across a short enough period of time under one man. Completely unsustainable given their previous 3 wins across many decades and it spoiled them rotten. They got use to it without really understanding where it had come from and doing very little when times were good to maintain it.

The man that achieved 4 of their 7 left, players got old and that was that.

They went through many managers in a short space of time chasing the good times, thinking it was a management issue. I don't blame them when one manager won 4 but he only did that off the back of two golden crops of players back to back

It was an extraordinary anomaly in Meath GAA and the stars aligned to put Boylan in place at that time with those great players

Such sets of factors are very rare and nothing like that had come before it in Meath"
Meath won their 7 All Ireland's between 1949 and 1999, in that same period Dublin also won 7 All Ireland's, Meath were beaten finalists on 6 occasions and Dublin in 8 occasions in that same 50 year period of '49 to '99, not a whole pile of difference there. Dublin had a glut of All Ireland's when Moses still in a basket and a glut since 2011, golden crops indeed!!!!!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 15/06/2019 20:54:56    2195426

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Why not kid ?"
So the ones with all the money are right the ones without the money are wrong according to you?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/06/2019 21:07:06    2195439

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Replying To Richieq:  "Meath won their 7 All Ireland's between 1949 and 1999, in that same period Dublin also won 7 All Ireland's, Meath were beaten finalists on 6 occasions and Dublin in 8 occasions in that same 50 year period of '49 to '99, not a whole pile of difference there. Dublin had a glut of All Ireland's when Moses still in a basket and a glut since 2011, golden crops indeed!!!!!!"
Dublins early glut of All Ireland's came courtesy of country people working in Dublin playing for Dublin clubs/ Dublin inter county team. Dublin native teams only really came about in Kevin Heffernans playing era when loads of St. Vincent's players started playing for the county in the 1950's.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 15/06/2019 21:28:39    2195472

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Replying To Richieq:  "Meath won their 7 All Ireland's between 1949 and 1999, in that same period Dublin also won 7 All Ireland's, Meath were beaten finalists on 6 occasions and Dublin in 8 occasions in that same 50 year period of '49 to '99, not a whole pile of difference there. Dublin had a glut of All Ireland's when Moses still in a basket and a glut since 2011, golden crops indeed!!!!!!"
Sure football only began in 2011 richieq , you should know that anything before then don't count or matter oh and we only won the 2014 allireland because Donegal caught Dublin napping.

In all fairness though, great post let's see how they try to discredit it now.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/06/2019 21:32:45    2195480

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Ching Ching the Dublin hurlers have finally arrived . Those Dublin "volunteers" are just amazing .

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 15/06/2019 21:44:55    2195494

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Scratching their heads wondering where the next golden generation was on the way

Unfortunately for Meath they greatly over achieved with back to back great teams

Meath achieved 4 out of 7 All Ireland's across a short enough period of time under one man. Completely unsustainable given their previous 3 wins across many decades and it spoiled them rotten. They got use to it without really understanding where it had come from and doing very little when times were good to maintain it.

The man that achieved 4 of their 7 left, players got old and that was that.

They went through many managers in a short space of time chasing the good times, thinking it was a management issue. I don't blame them when one manager won 4 but he only did that off the back of two golden crops of players back to back

It was an extraordinary anomaly in Meath GAA and the stars aligned to put Boylan in place at that time with those great players

Such sets of factors are very rare and nothing like that had come before it in Meath"
You are also incorrect regarding a set of factors never happening before, in the period of 1947 to 1954 Meath won 5 Leinster titles and 2 All Ireland's and were beaten finalists in both '51 and '52. Between 1966 and 1970 we won 3 Leinster titles, 1 All Ireland and were beaten finalists in '66 and '70. So the Seán Boylan era whilst the most recognised and rightly so, was not the only prolonged period of success we have ever had.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 15/06/2019 21:49:44    2195500

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Replying To Joxer:  "15 v 15. Get your medals out lad and stop making excuses."
No bother lets count em-)

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 15/06/2019 21:50:12    2195502

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Replying To superbluedub:  "A really unintelligent post ."
Why don't you answer the question?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1645 - 15/06/2019 21:51:41    2195505

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