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All Ireland Final 18 - Dublin V Tyrone

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Replying To waynoI:  "Ignore him

The Kerry lot are raging they aren't there and ourselves and yourselves are..

Love it"
No raging at all, just like the late 80's and 90's, we do look internally and take our own blame for where we are. It's rather unfortunate for Gaelic-football that our lean years have coincided with a poor decade. It was different in the 90's when Ulster had a purple patch.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:01:12    2137230

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Robotic dull football coupled with an android like manager who shows no emotion regardless of what happens, hopefully Tyrone can break the curse and send the blue machine to the scrapheap. You'd hardly think the final was on this week at all, Mayo still have all the attention, nobody cares if the blue machine get 4 in a row outside of the province of Dublin anyway.
Tyrone by 2"
Ooooh the mask has slipped. A Donegal poster using the term province for Dublin can mean only one thing. You are a kerry poster in disguise which wouldn't surprise me in the least. There's enough of them on here as it. Dubs by 8!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 28/08/2018 18:07:16    2137233

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "A terrible year because Dublin have a good chance of winning Sam again and Kerry have gone without Sam another year again? Terrible indeed :-)"
Ger Loughnane lit the fire in the hurling bellies a few years ago saying it'd be bad for the game if an average Kilkenny team were to win 3 in-a-row.

The same applies in football. McGuinness is the only one near brave enough to say it by saying that Dublin are beatable.

It is bad for the reputation of the game that an advanced sports science regime is dominating like this.

It's a pity that our rural brethren haven't been able to put up a better effort while we've been in a state of transition.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:07:41    2137234

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Replying To Redhandsam:  "2003 Tyrone halt the Armagh bid for 2 in-in-a-row
2008 Tyrone halt the Kerry bid for 3 in-in-a-row
2018 Tyrone halt the Dublin bid for 4 in-in-a-row ???
You never know...
Maybe we will become known as the Row Stoppers
Come on Tyrone...TOTAL FAITH"
McGuinness says Dublin are beatable. Can Tyrone save the reputation of Gaelic Football?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:09:13    2137237

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Im not sure if i would go with the five province model to be honest, i think it needs to be demarcated further. For example, Dublin have 39k registered players, Cork have 33k.

Something like Cork, Waterford would bring it up to about 39k as South Munster and Kerry, Limerick and Tipp could be east Munster etc in other counties. If you were to develop a model i think you are looking at the number of registered players to demarcate and amalgamate to bring equity. For me you are looking at 10 - 12 teams in an inter provincial model.

Again where does inter-county fit if you were to run it, you have Dublin, Cork and Galway with 25-39k registered players, they are also duel counties of note. Should they be excluded and if so where is the cut off point. If they were excluded from football why not from hurling? Then you are looking at the deviation. Hypothetically for example Kerry may have the same deviation from Dublin, as Letirm do to Kerry. Ultimately there will always be someone better off.

Im not sure the numbers are there to be honest for intercounty championship exclusion if Dublin, Cork and Galway had registered player number of say 100k-200k there could be a case.

The gap that exists between say Dublin, Cork and Galway and counties of say a total population of 140k-180k like kerry, Mayo and Donegal is the same as the registered players between those counties and the likes of Monagahan, Cavan and Leitrim and those counties are rising their registered playing numbers at a high percentage.

This is probably the wrong thread for this debate, but a welcome distraction for me ruminating on the tension of the game on Sunday,"
Hurling and Football are different codes.

The Football 6 should be; Connaught, Dublin, North Leinster, South Leinster, Munster and Ulster.

The Hurling 6 should be; Connaught, Dublin, Leinster, North Munster, South Munster and Ulster.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:12:45    2137239

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Did you just use the word "Dublin"

woah................"
I think people have got the message. Dublin has a capital city council and 3 county councils. Dublin in the Railway Cup as the 5th province makes perfect sense in modern Ireland.

Presidential hopefuls are looking for the backing of 4 councils. It's like a game of good old Connect 4! Collect 4 councils, run for President. Collect 4 councils and upgrade from county to province.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:17:13    2137240

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Robotic dull football coupled with an android like manager who shows no emotion regardless of what happens, hopefully Tyrone can break the curse and send the blue machine to the scrapheap. You'd hardly think the final was on this week at all, Mayo still have all the attention, nobody cares if the blue machine get 4 in a row outside of the province of Dublin anyway.
Tyrone by 2"
That's twice you've taken pot shots at the great man on one thread, says more about you as a person I'd say, but sure suck it up and don't be so bitter, your day in the sun shouldn't be another 20 year wait I'm sure, good sir ;-) xx

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2018 18:19:03    2137241

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Glad you enjoyed the football championship,id say your in minority with that viewpoint.

I will be expecting an apology from you on Sunday when my tripe comes to reality."
Will you do the same if the final is to YOUR liking?

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2018 18:20:34    2137243

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Replying To Joxer:  "A post from a Donegal man calling Dublin's football robotic and dull. I've heard it all now."
He has hit the nail on the head.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 18:47:15    2137249

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Future generations will look back on the evolution of Dublin into a province. It'll influence how the decade is judged.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8737 - 28/08/2018 19:07:33    2137253

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Future generations will look back on the evolution of Dublin into a province. It'll influence how the decade is judged."
Your some Craic lad. not taking this period of dominance by Dublin too well obviously. Should leave the country for a few weeks I think it's going to hurt.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 28/08/2018 19:32:22    2137259

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "you won't get much excitement or news from Jim Gavin win or lose, he sort of sums up the robotic blue machine well. thank God for Mayo they always give great entertainment."
You don't like Dublin do you ? not to worry , we are well used to it lol....

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 28/08/2018 19:52:00    2137266

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Just need to point out that any county can say they are 'in transition' when they are winning zero. 'Simply not good enough' or 'mismanaged' should replace the term 'transition' if you are any longer than 2 years in the doldrums.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 28/08/2018 19:57:25    2137267

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Replying To superbluedub:  "You don't like Dublin do you ? not to worry , we are well used to it lol...."
Think there's a programme on TG4 tomorrow night at 22.40 on Jim Gavin, might give us an insight into his personality.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3172 - 28/08/2018 20:01:23    2137270

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I can see Dublin winning this by at least 5 points, if they don't pull up with 20 minutes to go it could be 10 points.
It will also be interesting to see the wide count Dublin will have.
I think it it could be the lowest wide count by a winning team in AI history (If they win it)

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 28/08/2018 20:01:26    2137271

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "That's twice you've taken pot shots at the great man on one thread, says more about you as a person I'd say, but sure suck it up and don't be so bitter, your day in the sun shouldn't be another 20 year wait I'm sure, good sir ;-) xx"
TG4 tomorrow night at 22.40 programme on about Jim Gavin.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3172 - 28/08/2018 20:05:25    2137273

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "I can't wait for the last 10 mins when the dubs are up by 7 or 8 points and they play keep ball like they did against Donegal in that robotic style. Will be a suitable end to a terrible year for Gaelic football.

The u17 and u20s have had some great games to watch alright where they generally go man to man but at Senior level this counter attacking game has taken over in almost every county including Kerry at times. Not sure has there been a year with so few good games in recent few years but I could be mistaken."
Oh the bitterness ! enjoy the winter :)-

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 28/08/2018 20:07:17    2137275

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Just need to point out that any county can say they are 'in transition' when they are winning zero. 'Simply not good enough' or 'mismanaged' should replace the term 'transition' if you are any longer than 2 years in the doldrums."
Ooooh the Kerry lads won't like that at all at all. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 28/08/2018 20:22:04    2137277

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I call out TirChonnaill1 as a non Donegal poster also.

I think it would be fair to say that any poster that uses the main forum would also use their county forum. I recognise many donegal posters who use both, but using only the main forum and not the county one is highly suspicious....I dont ever remember seeing you on it. Maybe this is just coincidence, or maybe you are hiding in different colours to hide yourself on here with your comments.

Just saying.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 28/08/2018 20:27:57    2137278

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Ooooh the Kerry lads won't like that at all at all. I wholeheartedly agree with you."
You need broad shoulders when you are looseing and broader shoulders when you are winning.

Fear and hurt take many forms.

If Dublin win this Sunday Kerry are looseing all Ireland's to Dublin at a rate and ratio of 6:1 this decade.

Dublin have surpassed their greatest teams of their two 4 in rows for unbeaten games, if they win on Sunday Dublin will have gone 28 games unbeaten in the Championship as opposed to the 19 unbeaten of their team of the 70s and 80s.

If Dublin win on a Sunday, they will beat Tyrone on Sunday, something the Kerry team of the 00s could never achieve.

If Dublin win on Sunday they will have one 11 national titles this decade to Kerry's 2.

Simply put, Dublin's continued success undermines and succeeds the best teams Kerry ever produced.

I can understand some of the comments and hurt of some of the Kerry posters. Dublin's success relegated some of their own greatest teams, of course that will leave people feeling insecure.

Living in Dublins slip stream in the history of the game really tickles the tummy of the green and gold eyed monster and you get the limited pot shots. It's funny.

I won't generlise either there are some gentleman Kerry posters on here like Gerry. Sadly one or two let themselves and their county down.

Regardless we will look to our own.

Hopefully we can prove worthy of the success we all hope for.

I think the game on Sunday will be immensely tight, tough affair myself.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4502 - 28/08/2018 20:58:11    2137289

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