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How Many Points Is Home Advantage Worth?

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Replying To avonali:  "Yep. I. think it's a variable though. It could be a distinct advantage in some situations and less so in others. Say Mayo in the recent All-Irelands. They had more support in each of those All-Irelands than Dublin. I'm sure they were pretty familiar with Croke Park. But the hassle of travelling and the disruption to routine, having to sleep in unfamiliar beds etc all have to be acknowledged. Ref. bias - I think most refs would truy. to be mindful of any bias when it came to marginal decisions. But the figures and research. do tend to suggest that playing at home, in so far as you can call Croke Park Dublin's home venue ,is an advantage when the teams are evenly matched. The Kerry teams of the 80s were so far ahead of the others and Dublin that any advantage accruing to 'the home team"was rendered irrelevant."
Very good post Avon. The home game aspect has a few factors. The advantages are 1.Home support. 2.Knowledge of the pitch being comfortable playing there. 3.A possible ref bias. 4.location I.e.less travel. On the first point obviously the dub support in CP is big and the Hill very intimidating for opposition goalies and place kickers but the one team that can negate Dubs advantage there are Mayo and their huge support. 2.On the second point familiarity of course makes it easier for home players although Dubs do not train in CP whereas Kerry used to train in Killarney makng it more advantageous again. 3.On ref bias studies gave shown there can be ref bias towards home teams but on the flip side because of that perception some refs tend to actually go against home teams sometimes to show how impartial they are. Finally 4.location is good for less travel etc All arguments can be made.. Having said all that while most of us agree that Dublin should not play all their games in CP. I do believe when they have home fixtures they should have the choice as we all don't want fans to be affected. Now also if counties are willing to give up home advantage thats fair enough too. I

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2795 - 03/12/2020 17:36:59    2317983

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wont make much difference on sathurday it might keep dublin in it until the last quarter then bang they wont know what hit them.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 111 - 03/12/2020 18:06:19    2317990

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "That's the thing I have nothing against the Dublin team and there supporters and I'm nearly 100 percent sure the team wants to play in other venues if nothing else but to prove a point that they would beat any county any where type of thing and it might be more of a challenge for them. And the supporters would love travelling down the country too. It's the greed of the Gaa that has it the way it is"
You are so right there Celt. Everyone would be a winner. Dublin have no fear of playing on other venues and we all expect them to still win but it will give other counties a better chance to close the gap. Also it would be great for the economy in towns like Portlaoise Mullingar Tullamore etc. Shops pubs restaurants hotels all big winners. Also the dub supporters would enjoy it. There s a lovely feel meeting up with your county s supporters when you ré playing away. Having a chat and a few pints or a cuppa before and after the games. It's special.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2795 - 03/12/2020 18:15:12    2317991

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It's something Dublin fans have been saying for a number of years

More games out of Croke Park will be welcomed and tbh the Spring Series needs to end. Now it was a major earner though as it was a separate broadcasting rights deal outside of RTE/Sky but it does need to stop now. I think that's been the major switch.. the Spring Series since 2011 and the GAA taking the rich rewards from that.

Regarding the Leinster Championship games, yep more games out of HQ would be welcomed

But you need the Leinster counties voting for that first

They continually do the exact opposite

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 03/12/2020 19:22:53    2318002

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... if Dublin's dominace is of such massive detriment to the Leinster Championship

Then really what does that make the decision to continually vote for Dublin to remain in Croke Park by the same Leinster Counties portray. .

Its Turkeys voting for Christmas

Dubs will show up where they are told to show up

That's up to the Leinster Council.

So all the grandstanding on here is completely futile. Time and effort posting on HS rather than doing the same in the form of an email/letter to their County Board

Gobble Gobble Gobble.. is all I hear on here

The power rests with your own County

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 03/12/2020 19:42:52    2318005

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Replying To jimbodub:  "... if Dublin's dominace is of such massive detriment to the Leinster Championship

Then really what does that make the decision to continually vote for Dublin to remain in Croke Park by the same Leinster Counties portray. .

Its Turkeys voting for Christmas

Dubs will show up where they are told to show up

That's up to the Leinster Council.

So all the grandstanding on here is completely futile. Time and effort posting on HS rather than doing the same in the form of an email/letter to their County Board

Gobble Gobble Gobble.. is all I hear on here

The power rests with your own County"
True and also if counties want to forfeit home advantage against other counties let them play in Croke Park if they want to get experience. Laois v Kildare Wicklow v Carlow in CP as double headers or triple headers for example like years ago

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2795 - 03/12/2020 19:51:37    2318009

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Replying To jimbodub:  "... if Dublin's dominace is of such massive detriment to the Leinster Championship

Then really what does that make the decision to continually vote for Dublin to remain in Croke Park by the same Leinster Counties portray. .

Its Turkeys voting for Christmas

Dubs will show up where they are told to show up

That's up to the Leinster Council.

So all the grandstanding on here is completely futile. Time and effort posting on HS rather than doing the same in the form of an email/letter to their County Board

Gobble Gobble Gobble.. is all I hear on here

The power rests with your own County"
Dublins dominance should RAISE the standards in Leinster as well as everywhere else. It's really very simple: you need to play awesome football and have a very decent bench and be physical and smart to beat Dublin. Meath and Kildare should be right on Dublins heels but don't seem to be for whatever reason. Louth should get a spark from Hartes hiring but maybe not enough to beat the Dubs. Westmeath, Offaly, Wexford, Carlow, etc seem to be leaning more towards hurling so I'd say it's mostly up to Kildare and Meath.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1395 - 03/12/2020 20:17:04    2318015

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Very good post Avon. The home game aspect has a few factors. The advantages are 1.Home support. 2.Knowledge of the pitch being comfortable playing there. 3.A possible ref bias. 4.location I.e.less travel. On the first point obviously the dub support in CP is big and the Hill very intimidating for opposition goalies and place kickers but the one team that can negate Dubs advantage there are Mayo and their huge support. 2.On the second point familiarity of course makes it easier for home players although Dubs do not train in CP whereas Kerry used to train in Killarney makng it more advantageous again. 3.On ref bias studies gave shown there can be ref bias towards home teams but on the flip side because of that perception some refs tend to actually go against home teams sometimes to show how impartial they are. Finally 4.location is good for less travel etc All arguments can be made.. Having said all that while most of us agree that Dublin should not play all their games in CP. I do believe when they have home fixtures they should have the choice as we all don't want fans to be affected. Now also if counties are willing to give up home advantage thats fair enough too. I"
How do you know if the dubs train in Croke Park or not mick? I was at a league game there a few years ago and the culla hurlers were finishing up a training session before their allireland club final.

Also iv seen nó reff bias against dublin because they play in Croke Park.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14006 - 04/12/2020 07:53:47    2318060

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Very good post Avon. The home game aspect has a few factors. The advantages are 1.Home support. 2.Knowledge of the pitch being comfortable playing there. 3.A possible ref bias. 4.location I.e.less travel. On the first point obviously the dub support in CP is big and the Hill very intimidating for opposition goalies and place kickers but the one team that can negate Dubs advantage there are Mayo and their huge support. 2.On the second point familiarity of course makes it easier for home players although Dubs do not train in CP whereas Kerry used to train in Killarney makng it more advantageous again. 3.On ref bias studies gave shown there can be ref bias towards home teams but on the flip side because of that perception some refs tend to actually go against home teams sometimes to show how impartial they are. Finally 4.location is good for less travel etc All arguments can be made.. Having said all that while most of us agree that Dublin should not play all their games in CP. I do believe when they have home fixtures they should have the choice as we all don't want fans to be affected. Now also if counties are willing to give up home advantage thats fair enough too. I"
Another spot on and level headed post as usual. Fair play.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/12/2020 09:26:53    2318064

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Dublins dominance should RAISE the standards in Leinster as well as everywhere else. It's really very simple: you need to play awesome football and have a very decent bench and be physical and smart to beat Dublin. Meath and Kildare should be right on Dublins heels but don't seem to be for whatever reason. Louth should get a spark from Hartes hiring but maybe not enough to beat the Dubs. Westmeath, Offaly, Wexford, Carlow, etc seem to be leaning more towards hurling so I'd say it's mostly up to Kildare and Meath."
+ 1

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/12/2020 09:27:26    2318065

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "How do you know if the dubs train in Croke Park or not mick? I was at a league game there a few years ago and the culla hurlers were finishing up a training session before their allireland club final.

Also iv seen nó reff bias against dublin because they play in Croke Park."
If you're a referee, you make a wrong call against Dublin at your peril.

In fact, as David Gough would've seen if he watched the RTE coverage of last years final back, you make the RIGHT calls against Dublin at your peril!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4566 - 04/12/2020 09:37:52    2318067

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Replying To cavanman47:  "If you're a referee, you make a wrong call against Dublin at your peril.

In fact, as David Gough would've seen if he watched the RTE coverage of last years final back, you make the RIGHT calls against Dublin at your peril!"
Ya Gough got torn apart by brolly and whellan and they said nothing about him not having the penalty re taken because clux was about 2 yards off his line or the blatant foul by Connolly on lyne that led to a dublin score late on

Home advantage is massive .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14006 - 04/12/2020 10:13:35    2318078

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "How do you know if the dubs train in Croke Park or not mick? I was at a league game there a few years ago and the culla hurlers were finishing up a training session before their allireland club final.

Also iv seen nó reff bias against dublin because they play in Croke Park."
It's fairly common knowledge Kboy that Dubs don't train in Croke Park. Agreed I have nt seen bias against them either as such but it could happen. In replay last year though I thought ref was kind to us in first half and maybe in 12 v Mayo ref was hard on Dublin but other than that I guess not.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2795 - 04/12/2020 10:17:46    2318081

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "It's fairly common knowledge Kboy that Dubs don't train in Croke Park. Agreed I have nt seen bias against them either as such but it could happen. In replay last year though I thought ref was kind to us in first half and maybe in 12 v Mayo ref was hard on Dublin but other than that I guess not."
Its common knowledge to who mick? Sure I don't know what's going on in dublin as I'm 300km away.

And you can only think of 3 time when things didn't quite go there way at home, in what about 40/50 games, Jay's I wouldn't mind that for my team.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14006 - 04/12/2020 11:17:20    2318099

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Replying To cavanman47:  "If you're a referee, you make a wrong call against Dublin at your peril.

In fact, as David Gough would've seen if he watched the RTE coverage of last years final back, you make the RIGHT calls against Dublin at your peril!"
lol

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/12/2020 11:25:25    2318102

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "It's fairly common knowledge Kboy that Dubs don't train in Croke Park. Agreed I have nt seen bias against them either as such but it could happen. In replay last year though I thought ref was kind to us in first half and maybe in 12 v Mayo ref was hard on Dublin but other than that I guess not."
If Dubs trained in Croke Park we would all know about it, no way can you keep that quiet, sur ethe lights would blind the local commenuity, not to mention the odd begrudgers or unhappy player.Just more nonsense. BTW the only advantage to playing at home with Covid 19 is familiarty with the pitch, no crowds, no pressure on ref etc etc etc Covid 19 is great leveller.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 04/12/2020 12:41:24    2318132

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Replying To arock:  "If Dubs trained in Croke Park we would all know about it, no way can you keep that quiet, sur ethe lights would blind the local commenuity, not to mention the odd begrudgers or unhappy player.Just more nonsense. BTW the only advantage to playing at home with Covid 19 is familiarty with the pitch, no crowds, no pressure on ref etc etc etc Covid 19 is great leveller."
You are correct arock.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2795 - 04/12/2020 12:57:45    2318141

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "You are correct arock."
The Dubs train in the DCU grounds off the Ballymun Road in Glasnevin

The lights are on plenty of evenings during the dark months, I've seen them in there numerous of occasions

It's quite frankly a ludicrously dumb assertion to claim they are training in Croke Park hahaha

But that's the sort of level..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 04/12/2020 13:14:32    2318146

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Replying To jimbodub:  "The Dubs train in the DCU grounds off the Ballymun Road in Glasnevin

The lights are on plenty of evenings during the dark months, I've seen them in there numerous of occasions

It's quite frankly a ludicrously dumb assertion to claim they are training in Croke Park hahaha

But that's the sort of level.."
Ahh but you'll probably to have to have proof that they're NOT training there just to keep the baying mob here happy......not easily done to keep some of them happy mind.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/12/2020 15:55:19    2318242

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya Gough got torn apart by brolly and whellan and they said nothing about him not having the penalty re taken because clux was about 2 yards off his line or the blatant foul by Connolly on lyne that led to a dublin score late on

Home advantage is massive ."
Specsavers are obviously missing a huge business opportunity in Kerry. In the first game of the final in 2019 Tom O'Sullivan already on a yellow card pulled and grabbed a Dublin player around the neck which should have seen him get another yellow and an automatic red which would then have left 14 against 14 and there would have been no need for a replay - funny you never mention this.

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 04/12/2020 16:19:39    2318250

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