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Yes. Which is way 26 counties became independent. It is not "power sharing." London has sovereignty over 6 counties. Glorified county council. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4386 - 02/06/2026 15:22:04 2677362 Link 0 |
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The 26 counties became independent through a bloody rising which eventually led to a devastating civil war. Anyone who wants this route should be locked up.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12121 - 04/06/2026 12:37:34 2677844 Link 0 |
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Ireland became 'partially independent ' after majority voted Sinn Féin to establish Dáil Éireann and refuse to sit in Westminster. The British refused to accept democractic decision and attempted to supress Dáil Éireann. IRA defended the Republic. SF not only recognises British sovereignty but is attempting now to make Stormont permanent! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4386 - 04/06/2026 13:33:50 2677866 Link 0 |
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There is probably a wee bit more to it than that. 5 KEY MOMENTS 1. April 1916 Easter Rising The spark that ignited the Republican movement. 2. December 1918: During UK general election, Sinn Fein won a landslide victory on the a platform for an independent republic. 3. January 1919: Elected Sinn Féin MPs boycotted the British Parliament and formed a breakaway Irish government, the Dáil Éireann, which officially declared Ireland an independent republic. 4. December 1920: The Government of Ireland Act 1920: divided the Island into two distinct self-governing regions within the UK. This partition was not put to a public vote, it was imposed by Westminster (No public vote, No border poll). The border included Counties with Nationalist majorities, who had no say in matters. 5. January 1922: The passing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty by Irish TDs with a vote of 64 - 57 on 7th January 1922 gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border to ensure Unionist/Protestant majority in any 6 County vote. It was our Pro-Treaty TDs gave democratic justification to Partition, which ultimately lead to decades of oppression, suffering and bloodshed. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 04/06/2026 15:15:22 2677908 Link 0 |
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Dail Eireann recognised British Sovereignty 1922, by backing the Anglo-Irish Treaty in January 1922 by 64 votes to 57 votes, which then gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border. Pro-Treaty TDs in the Republic help vindicate a Unionist State up North, and allow the two states you see today. Fine Gael is what remains today of Pro-Treaty TDs and parties. The only way to dissolve it and re-unite Ireland with full International support is by democratic vote, to show the majority of people want change. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 04/06/2026 15:27:35 2677912 Link 0 |
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Today's scenario is entirely different. Also Michael Collins (who was a scapegoat) said he believed the treaty acted as a stepping stone to achieving full united independence. He viewed it as a necessary compromise to avoid the devastation of a renewed war with the Brits which if it happened, many of us probably wouldn't be here today. I also think if Collins has not been taken out under a conspiracy by the anti treaty side then Ireland would be a very different place today. Instead we because a Catholic Church controlled state for 60 odd years. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12121 - 04/06/2026 22:13:12 2678005 Link 0 |
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Michael Collins may have held the view that this was a stepping stone to a full United Independence, but by voting for the 1922 Angle Irish Treaty, the Pro-Treaty TD's in turn gave democratic legitimacy to the Six Counties breakaway and made things significantly more complicated long-term. I accept Collins was made a convenient scapegoat by many, its sad that an exceptionally brave man who gave so much for Irish Freedom, died at the hands of his fellow Irish men, that never should have happened. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 05/06/2026 08:41:12 2678034 Link 0 |
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Ah lads all those things happened 100+ years ago and can't be re done. We're now living with the Good Friday Agreement. Let's get on with living in the 2020s. Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 621 - 05/06/2026 10:42:58 2678057 Link 0 |
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This particular discussion is about the Good Friday agreement, with Dublin poster Barney highlighting the Shinners recognition of and Participation in Stormont under the GFA as being a negative and selling out. My point - It was the Pro-Treaty Dail Eireann TD's who by voting for the Anglo-Irish agreement made NI legitimate in 1922, it provided democratic cover for partition of Ireland. The remnant of Pro-treaty TDs is Fine Gael. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 05/06/2026 12:14:47 2678106 Link 0 |
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Which is why nationalists in the six counties still refer to it as "the great betrayal".
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 477 - 05/06/2026 12:23:58 2678110 Link 1 |
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Partition was in since 1920, having been sought by Unionists from 2013 on. The Treaty changed home rule area "Southern(sic) Ireland" to a Dominion "Irish Free State". Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 621 - 05/06/2026 12:58:41 2678121 Link 0 |
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Well said. The original poster was bascially saying SF should stop engaging in politics in the six counties which is as daft and idea as you'll hear.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12121 - 05/06/2026 13:36:18 2678136 Link 0 |
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Formal partition only took place after the 1922 passing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, prior to that, the creation of a separate governing region could not be recognized legitimately Internationally. December 1920: The Government of Ireland Act 1920: divided the Island into two distinct self-governing regions within the UK. -- This partition was not put to a public vote, it was imposed by Westminster (No public vote, No border poll). -- The border included Counties with Nationalist majorities, who had no democratic say in matters. January 1922: The passing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty by Irish TDs with a vote of 64 - 57 on 7th January 1922 gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border to ensure Unionist/Protestant majority in any 6 County vote. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 05/06/2026 14:57:22 2678165 Link 0 |
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Exactly, widely viewed as betrayal from Irish TDs who's vote democratically legitimized the Partition of Ireland.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1877 - 05/06/2026 15:01:03 2678166 Link 1 |
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Politics in Ireland should not be confined by British imposed institutions like Stormont. Withdrawing from Westminster was considered a "daft idea" before 1916. I suppose you think they were all "daft" as well? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4386 - 05/06/2026 15:44:20 2678183 Link 1 |