Replying To Loughlenegale:  "You're trying to hold a few positions here that don't really align.

On one hand, you're saying we should narrow focus early and concentrate on the kids who really want to hurl. But at the same time, you're highlighting that numbers are already an issue. Narrowing the base earlier will only make that worse, not better.
You say you're not forcing kids to choose between codes but then suggest that at development squad level they should pick one. In reality, that is forcing a pathway choice, even if it's not at club level.

So we're not back to square one at all. If hurling's future depends solely on traditional hurling families, then the game is already limiting its own growth. The challenge is developing players from non-hurling backgrounds, not accepting they can't reach the same level.

Kids don't improve by avoiding competition; they improve by playing. Skills are important, but games teach decision-making, awareness and confidence in a way drills never will so a blended approach works.

And asking players to choose at U14 is a solution to an administrative problem, not a development one. Some of the best players in the country thrived because they played both codes for longer, not because they specialised earlier.

As for the seniors, patience matters, but patience without progress is just waiting. Nobody expects overnight success, but it's fair to expect clear improvement, accountability and higher standards along the way."

Replying To RadioactiveTan:  "Good. At least this echo chamber is getting a few echoes back. On the short term front, near every genuine Westmeath man, woman, child wants to see success in all GAA codes. Cusack park being filled to the rafters for the first time in decades by the footballers was a result of McHugh bringing the football team to unprecedented levels of success. Kudos to him for that. Football in the county looks in rude health. I hope a Westmeath hurling team will one day be able to lift the Bob O'Keefe trophy as the footballers did the Delaney cup.

Expecting a Joe Mc in year one after the recent loss of talent and experience that we had is a bit much. I imagine you're not going to see any of those lads coming back either. It took a lot to coax Heslin back in from retirement for the footballers. The lads that lined out for the hurlers this year were the fellahs who were willing to put their shoulder to the wheel and should be commended for their efforts. The lads who've moved on felt they had given enough and like Heslin that's their decision. If they decide to come back next year and are ready to commit again then by all means I hope they do. The county board should review the year, hold people accountable if necessary, but I have seen far worse efforts put in by Westmeath hurling teams in recent memory than the current outfit.

The numbers game is important. You yourself admit we need non-hurling people to come into the tent and not the same few hurling dynasties in the county providing pretenders to the throne. Non-hurling people like proximity. Having a hurling club within 10-15 minutes of your family's house is sadly a big consideration that busy young families will make when sending little Mickey, Jimmy or Johnny up to a field for training in any code. You want young lads to develop those key hurling skills early on well getting them out to a field 3 nights a week is a lot easier on non-hurling people's time and diesel when it's 10-15 minutes down the road rather than 30-40 minutes down the road.

You are completely right about hurling development needing to be fostered at a young age. The problem with hurling compared to football is those technical abilities, the fine motor skills of holding and gripping a hurl properly and developing the hand eye coordination to strike a ball, need to begin by age 4 or 5 to have much hope of making a young lad into a competent hurler capable of one day possibly lining out at senior intercounty level.

Strength and conditioning, centres of excellence and all that are all to some extent rendered irrelevant by the above facts, for hurling at least. A tall athletic 12 year old can be turned into a pretty solid footballer with a few months of training. A tall athletic 12 year whose handed a hurl by comparison and given a few months of hurling coaching may as well be out cutting thristles in a field. Barring serious dedication, commitment and or natural talent from that 12 year old individual, it's a near certainty they'll never even make a mediocre adult club hurler.

I understand your logic of saying that it's the ones that want to hurl that will become hurlers. It's way more likely a figure from a Westmeath hurling family will of course nurture and develop a lad with all the necessary skills. However, we have to try and bring some non-hurling people along for the ride. Westmeath are always going to lack serious depth in hurling playing numbers. That's a reality. But, we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not trying to maximise the numbers playing the game at underage whether they're from the North, South, East or West of the county. Like Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh famously said of Seán Óg O hAilpín, "His father's from Fermanagh. His mother's from Fiji. Neither's a hurling stronghold." It shouldn't matter a jot where a lads from in the county. We should be encouraging young lads to hurl."

Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Kids don't improve by avoiding competition; they improve by playing. Skills are important, but games teach decision-making, awareness and confidence in a way drills never will so a blended approach works.

If you get the basics right first off and correct to start with you make hurling easier for kids to play as the get introduced to competition lets say from u10 go games. Make it skills based under6 and under 8.
As for playing both codes to improve both and round them out as better players, in all my time on this planet I've yet to meet a dual Kilkenny player.
Dual inter county players are a thing of the past.
If you want to improve hurling you have to go at it full throttle it's more hurling, coaching the younger the better. More training sessions and games, otherwise we will be here going back and forth in twenty years time arguing over the same problems."

Replying To RadioactiveTan:  "Good. At least this echo chamber is getting a few echoes back. On the short term front, near every genuine Westmeath man, woman, child wants to see success in all GAA codes. Cusack park being filled to the rafters for the first time in decades by the footballers was a result of McHugh bringing the football team to unprecedented levels of success. Kudos to him for that. Football in the county looks in rude health. I hope a Westmeath hurling team will one day be able to lift the Bob O'Keefe trophy as the footballers did the Delaney cup.

Expecting a Joe Mc in year one after the recent loss of talent and experience that we had is a bit much. I imagine you're not going to see any of those lads coming back either. It took a lot to coax Heslin back in from retirement for the footballers. The lads that lined out for the hurlers this year were the fellahs who were willing to put their shoulder to the wheel and should be commended for their efforts. The lads who've moved on felt they had given enough and like Heslin that's their decision. If they decide to come back next year and are ready to commit again then by all means I hope they do. The county board should review the year, hold people accountable if necessary, but I have seen far worse efforts put in by Westmeath hurling teams in recent memory than the current outfit.

The numbers game is important. You yourself admit we need non-hurling people to come into the tent and not the same few hurling dynasties in the county providing pretenders to the throne. Non-hurling people like proximity. Having a hurling club within 10-15 minutes of your family's house is sadly a big consideration that busy young families will make when sending little Mickey, Jimmy or Johnny up to a field for training in any code. You want young lads to develop those key hurling skills early on well getting them out to a field 3 nights a week is a lot easier on non-hurling people's time and diesel when it's 10-15 minutes down the road rather than 30-40 minutes down the road.

You are completely right about hurling development needing to be fostered at a young age. The problem with hurling compared to football is those technical abilities, the fine motor skills of holding and gripping a hurl properly and developing the hand eye coordination to strike a ball, need to begin by age 4 or 5 to have much hope of making a young lad into a competent hurler capable of one day possibly lining out at senior intercounty level.

Strength and conditioning, centres of excellence and all that are all to some extent rendered irrelevant by the above facts, for hurling at least. A tall athletic 12 year old can be turned into a pretty solid footballer with a few months of training. A tall athletic 12 year whose handed a hurl by comparison and given a few months of hurling coaching may as well be out cutting thristles in a field. Barring serious dedication, commitment and or natural talent from that 12 year old individual, it's a near certainty they'll never even make a mediocre adult club hurler.

I understand your logic of saying that it's the ones that want to hurl that will become hurlers. It's way more likely a figure from a Westmeath hurling family will of course nurture and develop a lad with all the necessary skills. However, we have to try and bring some non-hurling people along for the ride. Westmeath are always going to lack serious depth in hurling playing numbers. That's a reality. But, we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not trying to maximise the numbers playing the game at underage whether they're from the North, South, East or West of the county. Like Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh famously said of Seán Óg O hAilpín, "His father's from Fermanagh. His mother's from Fiji. Neither's a hurling stronghold." It shouldn't matter a jot where a lads from in the county. We should be encouraging young lads to hurl."

Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Kids don't improve by avoiding competition; they improve by playing. Skills are important, but games teach decision-making, awareness and confidence in a way drills never will so a blended approach works.

If you get the basics right first off and correct to start with you make hurling easier for kids to play as the get introduced to competition lets say from u10 go games. Make it skills based under6 and under 8.
As for playing both codes to improve both and round them out as better players, in all my time on this planet I've yet to meet a dual Kilkenny player.
Dual inter county players are a thing of the past.
If you want to improve hurling you have to go at it full throttle it's more hurling, coaching the younger the better. More training sessions and games, otherwise we will be here going back and forth in twenty years time arguing over the same problems."

Replying To Loughlenegale:  "Seán Óg Ó hAilpín is the perfect example of why coaching, exposure, and environment matter more than background or tradition. He landed in Cork at 12/13 and, through elite coaching, daily exposure to a hurling culture, and sheer dedication, went on to become one of the finest hurlers of his generation, captaining Cork and excelling as a dual player. So, it's not a requirement to start at 4/5. It all about exposure to positive people and good coaching. And Dual players un-coachable players thistle cutters or any other disparaging remarks towards players is a distraction tactic to whose benefit I ask. My point is simple

"patience matters, but patience without progress is just waiting. Nobody expects overnight success, but it's fair to expect clear improvement, accountability and higher standards along the way"
This is the least every player deserves."

Replying To Sloweddie:  "Paul Murphy"

Replying To Loughlenegale:  "Seán Óg Ó hAilpín is the perfect example of why coaching, exposure, and environment matter more than background or tradition. He landed in Cork at 12/13 and, through elite coaching, daily exposure to a hurling culture, and sheer dedication, went on to become one of the finest hurlers of his generation, captaining Cork and excelling as a dual player. So, it's not a requirement to start at 4/5. It all about exposure to positive people and good coaching. And Dual players un-coachable players thistle cutters or any other disparaging remarks towards players is a distraction tactic to whose benefit I ask. My point is simple

"patience matters, but patience without progress is just waiting. Nobody expects overnight success, but it's fair to expect clear improvement, accountability and higher standards along the way"
This is the least every player deserves."

Replying To RadioactiveTan:  "Nobody would disagree with your sentiments but the reality is it is very hard to start a hurling club in strong football territory. North Westmeath is awash with hurling clubs so these clubs have to be found in the south where there are only 4 clubs. CTG is a powerhouse while Father Daltons are a very progressive club. Saint Brigids seem to have awoken from their slumber and some positive vibes are coming from there. Southern Gaels are very ambitious which hopefully will lead to a big development on their new site. Castledaly are bravely working hard at under 8s and 10s and initially at least see themselves as a feeder for Southern Gaels but if numbers remain strong there might be potential there but really elsewhere its hard to see. Coralstown Kinnegad are a big club with big population base and its high time they started a hurling section but they have an anti hurling element but surely sometime they will have to promote our national game.
Elsewhere cant see it maybe Kilbeggan but they hardly set the football world alight.

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Kinnegad starting a hurling club is bananas thinking. Their players interested in hurling play with Raharney, Kinnegad would tell you that it's tough going getting volunteers to run their football side. Kilbeggan is 3 miles from Castletown so any hurlers there play with Castletown. Kilbeggan just about surviving football wise, who are the people who would organise a hurling club in these places and Moate etc? Getting a pitch alone would be a huge task, existing clubs pitches already over utilised with clubs having teams from under 6 to adult and LGFA also."

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Kinnegad starting a hurling club is bananas thinking. Their players interested in hurling play with Raharney, Kinnegad would tell you that it's tough going getting volunteers to run their football side. Kilbeggan is 3 miles from Castletown so any hurlers there play with Castletown. Kilbeggan just about surviving football wise, who are the people who would organise a hurling club in these places and Moate etc? Getting a pitch alone would be a huge task, existing clubs pitches already over utilised with clubs having teams from under 6 to adult and LGFA also."