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Replying To Seanfan: "The voters elected the successful candidates." Thanks for that, you learn something new every day.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 468 - 27/05/2026 13:19:29
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Anyone who thinks that there are two countries on the island of Ireland is living in some strange world.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 27/05/2026 14:05:16
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "Thanks for that, you learn something new every day." You asked how they get elected!
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 592 - 27/05/2026 14:33:34
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "I was just watching the news on RTE , and a Fine Gael counciller for Monaghan stated that people from Monaghan and Tyrone are from two different countries, who elects these people?" also @BarneyGrant -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3714 - 27/05/2026 15:05:06
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Replying To Pikeman96: "also @BarneyGrant -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?" Two different states. Not too different countries.
The fact that there are two different states, currencies, education systems etc just illustrates how absurd it is.
An arbitrary line drawn on a map and now recognised even by the republican movement that refused to for three quarters of a century.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 27/05/2026 15:34:28
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Replying To Pikeman96: "also @BarneyGrant -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?" I have travelled all over the country following Tyrone and various Munster hurling finals and never once did I meet anyone who seen me as anything but a fellow countryman, but I suppose there's always one.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 468 - 27/05/2026 17:49:18
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Replying To Freethinker: "I suppose unless a credible alternative coalition of left or left of centre emerges, this situation will pertain. Soc Dems are making steady progress, it must be said. To me, Labour are standing still. I think SF are stagnating under current leadership. Their leader, while very articulate, has great diction and really loves delivering a good ould sound bite in Dail debates, but does anyone take her seriously anymore ?? Their front bench is in dire need of a shake up. Same tired old spokes persons for years with different, more militant factions on the extremes whittling away at their base. It's difficult to be all things to all people, and have all the answers. PBP, I'm not sure if I would like to see any of them in charge of anything, particularly their two most prominent members. So, where are the alternatives ??" I agree that until a credible alternative emerges, this current political situation probably will continue, and more FF & FG isn't healthy. We need to get away from personality politics, if the current crop spent as much time dwelling on how to make the Country more efficient and successful, and less time rehearsing how to dodge questions, we might get somewhere.
SF for a while looked like a viable alternative in terms of vote percentage, but have stagnated, in their efforts to grow their voter base they have left some of their legacy supporters disillusioned. They need to refresh and develop a roadmap that differs completely from the FF & FG manifestos, but I suspect they would be afraid to do that.
Social Dems are growing, but the height of their ambition is to maybe be a junior coalition partner and score a couple of pension building ministerial jobs for the hierarchy. I don't see any alternative roadmap for the Country, just individual tweaks..
Labour lack the leadership and long-terms strategic planning to become a major player, too happy to settle for junior coalition partner and that kills small parties. PBP, Green Party, none of them appeal the broader public.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 27/05/2026 21:03:44
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Replying To Pikeman96: "also @BarneyGrant -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?" I can't speak for others, but most Republicans and Republican families I know, do not recognize Northern Ireland as a legitimate state and haven't for generations, for two good reasons.
1. The Government of Ireland Act 1920 divided the Island into two distinct self-governing regions within the UK. This partition was not put to a public vote, it was imposed by Westminster (No public vote, No border poll). The border included Counties with Nationalist majorities, who had no say in matters.
2. The Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921/1922 gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border to ensure Unionist/Protestant majority in any vote.
Unfortunately the narrow 64-57 passing of this Treaty by Traitor TDs in the Republic help vindicate a Unionist State up North, and allow the two states you see today,
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1855 - 28/05/2026 15:47:39
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Replying To GaryMc82: "I agree that until a credible alternative emerges, this current political situation probably will continue, and more FF & FG isn't healthy. We need to get away from personality politics, if the current crop spent as much time dwelling on how to make the Country more efficient and successful, and less time rehearsing how to dodge questions, we might get somewhere.
SF for a while looked like a viable alternative in terms of vote percentage, but have stagnated, in their efforts to grow their voter base they have left some of their legacy supporters disillusioned. They need to refresh and develop a roadmap that differs completely from the FF & FG manifestos, but I suspect they would be afraid to do that.
Social Dems are growing, but the height of their ambition is to maybe be a junior coalition partner and score a couple of pension building ministerial jobs for the hierarchy. I don't see any alternative roadmap for the Country, just individual tweaks..
Labour lack the leadership and long-terms strategic planning to become a major player, too happy to settle for junior coalition partner and that kills small parties. PBP, Green Party, none of them appeal the broader public." The only time Sinn Fein mentions Irish unity these days is two minutes at the annual Ard Fheis.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 468 - 28/05/2026 15:53:10
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Replying To Commodore: " Replying To Pikeman96: "also <b>@BarneyGrant</b> -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?"</div>I can't speak for others, but most Republicans and Republican families I know, do not recognize Northern Ireland as a legitimate state and haven't for generations, for two good reasons.
<b>1. The Government of Ireland Act 1920</b> divided the Island into two distinct self-governing regions within the UK. This partition was not put to a public vote, it was imposed by Westminster (No public vote, No border poll). The border included Counties with Nationalist majorities, who had no say in matters.
<b>2. The Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921/1922</b> gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border to ensure Unionist/Protestant majority in any vote.
Unfortunately the narrow 64-57 passing of this Treaty by Traitor TDs in the Republic help vindicate a Unionist State up North, and allow the two states you see today," Sinn Féin recognise Partition. Worse still, they.run.part of Ireland for London.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 28/05/2026 16:21:34
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Replying To Commodore: " Replying To Pikeman96: "also <b>@BarneyGrant</b> -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?"</div>I can't speak for others, but most Republicans and Republican families I know, do not recognize Northern Ireland as a legitimate state and haven't for generations, for two good reasons.
<b>1. The Government of Ireland Act 1920</b> divided the Island into two distinct self-governing regions within the UK. This partition was not put to a public vote, it was imposed by Westminster (No public vote, No border poll). The border included Counties with Nationalist majorities, who had no say in matters.
<b>2. The Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921/1922</b> gave the Parliament of Northern Ireland the right to vote to stay in the Free State or Opt out of it, after the UK government had strategically set the border to ensure Unionist/Protestant majority in any vote.
Unfortunately the narrow 64-57 passing of this Treaty by Traitor TDs in the Republic help vindicate a Unionist State up North, and allow the two states you see today," And the Good Friday Agreement 1998negotiated by "Republicans", voted for by the people of both jurisdictions. We currently live in 2026. Let's get on with life.
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 592 - 28/05/2026 16:45:49
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Replying To Pikeman96: "also @BarneyGrant -
Ah lads. Let's not delude ourselves. Fact of the matter is:
The Republic of Ireland is an independent, sovereign country.
Much as you dislike the term or the reality of it, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (of which Northern Ireland is obviously a part) is a separate independent, sovereign country.
It therefore clearly follows that people from Monaghan and people from Tyrone are from two different countries, no mater how much you or they would like to be regarded as being from the same.
If it really was all the same country, how then do you explain the two different governments, different currencies, different education systems, different healthcare systems, different policing systems, etc., etc.?" Imperialism.
I cannot believe a Wexford man needs this explained to them.
I'm ashamed.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4543 - 28/05/2026 21:18:01
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Sinn Féin recognise Partition. Worse still, they.run.part of Ireland for London.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4338 - 28/05/2026 16:21:34
They recognise Partition as a fact of life, they also recognise that based on recent demographic models, data suggests there will be an outright Nationalist majority in the six Counties between 2030 and 2035. They are calling for Border Poll at the minute, because while at this moment in time they don't have an outright majority, they suspect it is coming.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1855 - 28/05/2026 22:10:18
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Replying To Commodore: "Sinn Féin recognise Partition. Worse still, they.run.part of Ireland for London.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4338 - 28/05/2026 16:21:34
They recognise Partition as a fact of life, they also recognise that based on recent demographic models, data suggests there will be an outright Nationalist majority in the six Counties between 2030 and 2035. They are calling for Border Poll at the minute, because while at this moment in time they don't have an outright majority, they suspect it is coming." Are they pressuring the Brit SofS for the North?
He/she is the starting point for a "Border poll", not the Irish Government, or whoever the Shinners are aiming their "Border poll now" chants at.
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 592 - 29/05/2026 11:08:50
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Are they pressuring the Brit SofS for the North?
He/she is the starting point for a "Border poll", not the Irish Government, or whoever the Shinners are aiming their "Border poll now" chants at.
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 592 - 29/05/2026 11:08:50
Yes, They have been constantly canvassing the Labour NI Secretary since the last Assembly election. However he refuses on the basis of the demographics from the last census, and percentage breakdown of the most recent Assembly voting for Nationalist/Republican Parties still not showing a clear Nationalist majority voters.
However projections based on a combination of election and census data, shows that between 2030 and 2035 there will likely be a outright Nationalist voting majority in the North, thus why Sinn Fein are pushing hard to lay ground work. Aside from strong opposition from a sizeable Unionist Population in the North, there will be quiet but influential opposition from the South too.
As you likely well know, the Irish Government coalition partner Fine Gael quietly draws heavy support from Unionists who reside south of the border, particularly strong around the border Counties like Donegal, Sligo-Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan etc, not to mention South Dublin, Wicklow, Kildare and other Counties further South. Not something Fine Gael like to openly advertise Nationwide, but it is an influence on their policies and approach to things.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1855 - 29/05/2026 12:17:39
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Replying To Commodore: "Sinn Féin recognise Partition. Worse still, they.run.part of Ireland for London.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4338 - 28/05/2026 16:21:34
They recognise Partition as a fact of life, they also recognise that based on recent demographic models, data suggests there will be an outright Nationalist majority in the six Counties between 2030 and 2035. They are calling for Border Poll at the minute, because while at this moment in time they don't have an outright majority, they suspect it is coming." Election results show that there is no chance of a border poll even being held, never mind being passed.
SF been peddling this for 30 years!
They are also dishonest regarding conditions for one. They signed up to GFA. They presumably read it ..
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 29/05/2026 13:18:09
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