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Replying To richiepmurphy: "Fair point but some of the teams who suffered those beatings went on to contest or even won all Irelands a year or 2 later." They did for sure. Handy for them there was no relegation.
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Replying To Viking66: "They did for sure. Handy for them there was no relegation." And never will be kid....
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Replying To Viking66: "They did for sure. Handy for them there was no relegation." Viking, you get caught up in so much stuff that is not rdirectly related to Wexford hurling. Wouldn't 5 teams in each province mean that the Leinster teams have one less round robin to play than is the current situation? In arguing against the 5-team proposal, are you not supporting the retention of an obstacle that makes life that bit more difficult for the Wexford hurlers to achieve success?
You'd be better off on focusing on what is good for Wexford and doing your best to improve the situation there, because when all your 'if's, ands, and buts' are taken out of the equation, Wexford hurling is not in a good place right now. It is not, plain and simple.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2518 - 04/05/2026 16:34:34
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Viking, you get caught up in so much stuff that is not rdirectly related to Wexford hurling. Wouldn't 5 teams in each province mean that the Leinster teams have one less round robin to play than is the current situation? In arguing against the 5-team proposal, are you not supporting the retention of an obstacle that makes life that bit more difficult for the Wexford hurlers to achieve success?
You'd be better off on focusing on what is good for Wexford and doing your best to improve the situation there, because when all your 'if's, ands, and buts' are taken out of the equation, Wexford hurling is not in a good place right now. It is not, plain and simple." Im not arguing against a 5 team Leinster Championship. If you read back the thread you will see I said it was definitely better for us as a county, and better for the product that is the Leinster championship.
The 6th team was brought in to aid development in the middle tier counties, most of which are in Leinster.
As regards where Wexford hurling is at Ive argued for many years now it needs to start from the bottom up. Changes were made, and are continuing being made, from u6 upwards, especially at club level. Hopefully we will start seeing an improvement in how competitive we are at minor and u20 over the next few years, and then at Senior after that.
Im putting alot of my own time into this, Im not just talking the talk. Im learning as I go along, learning off people all over the country. And sharing information as best I can. It all takes time, and alot of it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19447 - 04/05/2026 17:02:48
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Replying To Viking66: "Im not arguing against a 5 team Leinster Championship. If you read back the thread you will see I said it was definitely better for us as a county, and better for the product that is the Leinster championship.
The 6th team was brought in to aid development in the middle tier counties, most of which are in Leinster.
As regards where Wexford hurling is at Ive argued for many years now it needs to start from the bottom up. Changes were made, and are continuing being made, from u6 upwards, especially at club level. Hopefully we will start seeing an improvement in how competitive we are at minor and u20 over the next few years, and then at Senior after that.
Im putting alot of my own time into this, Im not just talking the talk. Im learning as I go along, learning off people all over the country. And sharing information as best I can. It all takes time, and alot of it." Well, Viking, fair play to you. I didn't know that. My apologies. Where the heck do you get the time for it all, as it seems that you live on here? And admittedly, some of your time on here isn't just about Wexford. That's fine. It's good to have a broad, holistic view of hurling, but it is fair time consuming.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2518 - 04/05/2026 18:05:50
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Bad defeat this weekend, didn't expect that drubbing. We weren't ready for battle at all. Hats off to Limerick. From the thrown in put us under pressure and didn't ease off at all. Not enough players standing up when needed. Spark seems to be missing. Tipp match will make or break our season. Need a big wake up call.
As for the Munster/leinster debate. No league, provincials instead and open seeded draw based on that. Prob not happen though.
Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 128 - 05/05/2026 13:35:46
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Replying To Buachaillbui: "Bad defeat this weekend, didn't expect that drubbing. We weren't ready for battle at all. Hats off to Limerick. From the thrown in put us under pressure and didn't ease off at all. Not enough players standing up when needed. Spark seems to be missing. Tipp match will make or break our season. Need a big wake up call.
As for the Munster/leinster debate. No league, provincials instead and open seeded draw based on that. Prob not happen though." Tony Griffin made that point on Wexford Hurling podcast a few weeks ago. It won't happen but it should.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2024 - 05/05/2026 14:44:53
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Replying To Buachaillbui: "Bad defeat this weekend, didn't expect that drubbing. We weren't ready for battle at all. Hats off to Limerick. From the thrown in put us under pressure and didn't ease off at all. Not enough players standing up when needed. Spark seems to be missing. Tipp match will make or break our season. Need a big wake up call.
As for the Munster/leinster debate. No league, provincials instead and open seeded draw based on that. Prob not happen though." Apart from getting rid of the league the rest happens already. We have the provincials. The winners are seeded 1 and go straight to semi final. The runners up are seeded 2 and play the 3rd placed team from the other provincial championship who are seeded 3. Some teams have to be knocked out after the provincial championships. Otherwise whats the point.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 341 - 05/05/2026 14:58:07
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Replying To Buachaillbui: "Bad defeat this weekend, didn't expect that drubbing. We weren't ready for battle at all. Hats off to Limerick. From the thrown in put us under pressure and didn't ease off at all. Not enough players standing up when needed. Spark seems to be missing. Tipp match will make or break our season. Need a big wake up call.
As for the Munster/leinster debate. No league, provincials instead and open seeded draw based on that. Prob not happen though." I think the absence of John Conlon doesn't get mentioned enough...he's a huge loss to Clare at 6.
I was at Tipp v Clare in Ennis last year when Tipp ran riot in the first half .. the defence were so porous it was shocking. Same on Sunday.
The big difference between last year and this weekend was Conlon, he came on as a sub against Tipp and settled things immediately .
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1120 - 05/05/2026 15:51:08
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Tadhg beat me to it but it's funny to hear people call for an 'Open draw seeded based on the provincials' which is what we have now in other words. What they're calling for in reality is the current system except no one gets knocked out, or else a provincial knockout leading into an All ireland knockout & Qualifiers which is what we had for years
Anyone wanting to get rid of the Provincial round robins is out of their minds imo. None of the argumens stand up to any scrutiny. We're seeing more of the top players in big games than we ever did before, so the (mainly RTE driven tbf) narrative about what a shame it is that players are out of the championship 'early' is complete nonsense. even with waterford struggling we get 4 games of Stephen Bennett per year. You can be 100% sure if provincials were seperated out from the All Ireland you'd see less of Bennett as he'd be eased into the Munster championship to be 'right' for the All Ireland.
As for the teams currently in the Joe Mac, the current system is better for them than at any point in history. They get 5-6 games a year at a competitive level, a chance at Croke Park and a trophy, and if they earn it a chance to play 5 games in Leinster. since 2018 we've seen Westmeath get a win and draw against Wexford, Carlow Draw with KK, Antrim beat wexford. results like that were a once every 20 or 30 year shot for the rest of GAA history. The reality for those counties is they have peaks and troughs, and they way it is currently allwos them to have a shot at the big teams when they are on a high, and to play at an appropriate level when they are struggling. If a team was to have an Offaly 80s style revolution then they would have ample opportunity to show their worth and maintain a place in Leinster long term
People can live in a dream world all they want where we have an open draw and the Musnter championship still holds the same prestige, or where carlow, Antrim and Westmeath can all get to the level of Dublin or Galway if they are left in the Leinster championship indefinitely, but that's not practical. The current system has far more plusses than negatives and I certainly can't think of a superior alternative.
That being said the nature of the GAA has always been that people will complain for long enough and evetually the system will be changed again so just bide your time and it will happen
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Replying To skillet: "I think the absence of John Conlon doesn't get mentioned enough...he's a huge loss to Clare at 6.
I was at Tipp v Clare in Ennis last year when Tipp ran riot in the first half .. the defence were so porous it was shocking. Same on Sunday.
The big difference between last year and this weekend was Conlon, he came on as a sub against Tipp and settled things immediately ." In fairness he played 6 in GaelicGrounds against us a couple of seasons ago and Gillane had an acre to hurl in too. Clare are prone to this type of performance.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 341 - 05/05/2026 16:14:49
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Apart from getting rid of the league the rest happens already. We have the provincials. The winners are seeded 1 and go straight to semi final. The runners up are seeded 2 and play the 3rd placed team from the other provincial championship who are seeded 3. Some teams have to be knocked out after the provincial championships. Otherwise whats the point." The point is the provisional championships are not equal, they are lopsided. The team that finishes 3rd in Munster could be better than the team that finishes 1st in Leinster, but they will have to play two more games to reach the final. In fact, the 4th place team in Munster doesn't qualify for the All-Ireland series, even though they could possibly be the fourth best team in the country.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2882 - 05/05/2026 17:08:15
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Replying To Overdahill: "Tadhg beat me to it but it's funny to hear people call for an 'Open draw seeded based on the provincials' which is what we have now in other words. What they're calling for in reality is the current system except no one gets knocked out, or else a provincial knockout leading into an All ireland knockout & Qualifiers which is what we had for years
Anyone wanting to get rid of the Provincial round robins is out of their minds imo. None of the argumens stand up to any scrutiny. We're seeing more of the top players in big games than we ever did before, so the (mainly RTE driven tbf) narrative about what a shame it is that players are out of the championship 'early' is complete nonsense. even with waterford struggling we get 4 games of Stephen Bennett per year. You can be 100% sure if provincials were seperated out from the All Ireland you'd see less of Bennett as he'd be eased into the Munster championship to be 'right' for the All Ireland.
As for the teams currently in the Joe Mac, the current system is better for them than at any point in history. They get 5-6 games a year at a competitive level, a chance at Croke Park and a trophy, and if they earn it a chance to play 5 games in Leinster. since 2018 we've seen Westmeath get a win and draw against Wexford, Carlow Draw with KK, Antrim beat wexford. results like that were a once every 20 or 30 year shot for the rest of GAA history. The reality for those counties is they have peaks and troughs, and they way it is currently allwos them to have a shot at the big teams when they are on a high, and to play at an appropriate level when they are struggling. If a team was to have an Offaly 80s style revolution then they would have ample opportunity to show their worth and maintain a place in Leinster long term
People can live in a dream world all they want where we have an open draw and the Musnter championship still holds the same prestige, or where carlow, Antrim and Westmeath can all get to the level of Dublin or Galway if they are left in the Leinster championship indefinitely, but that's not practical. The current system has far more plusses than negatives and I certainly can't think of a superior alternative.
That being said the nature of the GAA has always been that people will complain for long enough and evetually the system will be changed again so just bide your time and it will happen" A superior alternative is one where both Munster and Leinster are treated someway equally. Not one where Leinster has to take up the mantle of saving hurling outside of Munster and Leinster. Munster need to do their bit.
Allow Galway in say for 3 years and change to 4 qualifying out of 6 . Imagine 5 extra big Munster Championship games...
Then on the flip side have a 6 team Leinster championship with only the two teams that reach the Leinster Final qualifying. Bottom 2 play off to go down to the Joe McDonagh with the 5th team at home to the 6th team in that relegation final.
Surely thats better for yo yo teams like Carlow, Kildare, Antrim ,Westmeath and Laois. While it would also give Offaly , Dublin and Wexford time get to Kilkennys level. And in all fairness at underage those 3 teams seems to be very close to the level of all the top teams.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 272 - 05/05/2026 18:27:09
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