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Non-Gaa Forum - 2 Like(s)
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0820/1529369-gaa-protest-palestine/
I suppose this isnt the right forum to post this but it concerns politics which to my mind makes it more appropriate for the Non- GAA forum.
What do people think of this campaign backed by prominent GAA people to drop Alliance sponsorship of the league due to some other arm of their corporation having investments in Israeli companies operating in the Occupied Territories?
Now what's happening in Gaza is genocide in my opinion, there is no other way to describe it but I really don't know what cutting the links with Alliance is going to achieve apart from making some people feel good about themselves. Will the global governance of Alliance change tack? No. Will Alliance be seen as a pariah sponsor for other groups seeking sponsorship? I very much doubt it! (Down through the years I have often wondered why Alliance have bothered to continue sponsoring the national leagues considering the way some of the elite counties, in hurling anyway- treat the league. From a commercial pov I reckon they wont be bothered in the slightest if the GAA severs the link)
I would put this campaign in the category of " cutting off your nose to spite your face". I see nothing to be achieved by it except people feeling good and moral about themselves. The signatories to this campaign say they dont care if it means doing without sponsorship for the leagues and that's fine. But I do think there are potentially wider political and economic consequences for Ireland if this campaign to drop Alliance is successful. It will put Ireland even more within the crosshairs of the powerful almost omnipotent Jewish lobby in the US. Statements have already been made by certain US politicians calling for sanctions against Ireland over the proposed Occupied Territories Bill and I expect those voices will get louder and more widespread if the GAA hierarchy follow through with this. Again, I dont have a problem with that as such as long as the people voting for it have their eyes wide open and are aware of the possible repercussions for the country.
But for me the real absurdity of this is the motivation for doing this is because Alliance are named in the UN human rights report. What about all the other corporations that are happy to do business with Israel? ( The tentacles of most corporations go very deep and I have no doubt if the digging went deep enough there would be very few if any corporations in the world that wont have some ties to Israel). But more to the point if the GAA must be political why stop at ditching Alliance? Shouldnt we as a country also seek to leave the EU who are up to their oxters in support of Israel despite the mealy- mouthed lame disapprovals occasionally emanating from Brussels?
When you start a moral crusade like these prominent GAA people are keen to do there is no end point to where the line should be drawn. That's my opinion anyway." i think challenging Allianz is better than staying quiet. will they stop their involvement in Isreal? Unlikely but better to say something. it isnt simply about people making themselves feel good.
i think being on the right side of genocide can only be a good thing. i think the longer this goes on and the US are seen as more and more complicit then there will be a push back on their role globally.
I dont think GAA and any protest against Allianz will even come on radar of many of the prominant voices in US
KillingFields (National) - 22/08/2025 13:34:05
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Non-Gaa Forum - 1 Like(s)
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0820/1529369-gaa-protest-palestine/
I suppose this isnt the right forum to post this but it concerns politics which to my mind makes it more appropriate for the Non- GAA forum.
What do people think of this campaign backed by prominent GAA people to drop Alliance sponsorship of the league due to some other arm of their corporation having investments in Israeli companies operating in the Occupied Territories?
Now what's happening in Gaza is genocide in my opinion, there is no other way to describe it but I really don't know what cutting the links with Alliance is going to achieve apart from making some people feel good about themselves. Will the global governance of Alliance change tack? No. Will Alliance be seen as a pariah sponsor for other groups seeking sponsorship? I very much doubt it! (Down through the years I have often wondered why Alliance have bothered to continue sponsoring the national leagues considering the way some of the elite counties, in hurling anyway- treat the league. From a commercial pov I reckon they wont be bothered in the slightest if the GAA severs the link)
I would put this campaign in the category of " cutting off your nose to spite your face". I see nothing to be achieved by it except people feeling good and moral about themselves. The signatories to this campaign say they dont care if it means doing without sponsorship for the leagues and that's fine. But I do think there are potentially wider political and economic consequences for Ireland if this campaign to drop Alliance is successful. It will put Ireland even more within the crosshairs of the powerful almost omnipotent Jewish lobby in the US. Statements have already been made by certain US politicians calling for sanctions against Ireland over the proposed Occupied Territories Bill and I expect those voices will get louder and more widespread if the GAA hierarchy follow through with this. Again, I dont have a problem with that as such as long as the people voting for it have their eyes wide open and are aware of the possible repercussions for the country.
But for me the real absurdity of this is the motivation for doing this is because Alliance are named in the UN human rights report. What about all the other corporations that are happy to do business with Israel? ( The tentacles of most corporations go very deep and I have no doubt if the digging went deep enough there would be very few if any corporations in the world that wont have some ties to Israel). But more to the point if the GAA must be political why stop at ditching Alliance? Shouldnt we as a country also seek to leave the EU who are up to their oxters in support of Israel despite the mealy- mouthed lame disapprovals occasionally emanating from Brussels?
When you start a moral crusade like these prominent GAA people are keen to do there is no end point to where the line should be drawn. That's my opinion anyway.
PoolSturgeon (National) - 21/08/2025 23:06:00
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Non-Gaa Forum - 1 Like(s)
Replying To GreenandRed: "They thanked him for his role in the ceasefire with Thailand. They're not eligible to vote to nominate him for a Nobel Prize." Nobody knows more about Monks than I do
yew_tree (National) - 22/08/2025 07:16:01
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We're Going To Do It - 1 Like(s)
What a feeling that is. I haven't experienced it an awful lot, but have enjoyed it on a few occasions.
Our second half demolition of Offaly in the 96 Leinster final. I knew we'd be all Ireland champions.
Leinster semi final against Kilkenny. Rory Jacob's goal early in the second half. I felt we'd win even though it took the last puc of the game in the end.
Clare 2014 - Harry Kehoe goal in extra time. We'd arrived back from the doldrums.
Leinster final 19 - Rory o Connors run, dragged down. As soon as the penalty was awarded I knew we'd be Leinster champions.
All Ireland semi final 19 - Chin goal. I thought we'd be champions. When the whistle blew it felt like something had gone terrible wrong....... still not over it.
Doylerwex (National) - 22/08/2025 09:01:08
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Clare, Limerick, Tipperary And Waterford Ruining Munster Football And All Ireland Championship? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To legendzxix: "When Cork are relegated and Clare are promoted, Clare will be a top 2 seed. They won't be drawn against one as they will be one of them!! ;-)" 100 years of unfair advantages for Kerry ,give over with your nonsense !
superbluedub (National) - 22/08/2025 09:24:23
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Looking Forward To 2026 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To legendzxix: "I merely gave credit where it is due. Dublin earned home advantage fair and square for the preliminary quarter-finals. A proud achievement for Dublin!
In 2026, Dublin will have the opportunity to earn home advantage in Round 1. Rounds 2A and 2B will be by luck of the draw. Round 1 winners who lose in Round 2A will also earn home advantage in Round 3." More " yerra smart **** rubbish " your fooling no one !
superbluedub (National) - 22/08/2025 10:21:13
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Can Jack O'connor Over Take Jim Gavin? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Dothesimplethingswell: "I think there are many factors involved in this debate. It makes the all star selection look easy. Gavin did inherit an All Ireland winning team and there was exceptional players on it and the backbone of it remained right through but that is not taking away from any of his achievements as there was an incredible never say die attitude about them. O Connor won it in 3 different stints though 06 & 09 were similar teams. What does impress me about OConnor is the gap between title no. 3 (2009) and no. 4 (2022) and finally this year. Football changed so much in those years. The change in the last 12 months was challenging with the new rules and he is the first manager to win under them but in the 10 or so years he was away from the senior team was that he went back into the underage setup and won 2 minor all irelands and also took the U21s. Winning All-Irelands 18 years apart is very impressive especially with the change in the game and times. Im not going to call any of the managers the greatest as it is subjective under so many factors but they have all made our games great and none of them will be forgotten." Ill add to that to correct myself!! O Connor won All-Irelands that were 21 years apart his first in 2004 and his latest in 2025. Theres something to be said for that especially with the change in times and football. In one of his first league games in charge Kerry were beaten by Longford of all teams!! He described the journey home that Sunday evening as one of the longest of his life. Let us not forget great men like Liam Kearns & John o Mahony both deceased now who brought counties to great heights over the years.
Dothesimplethingswell (National) - 22/08/2025 10:48:25
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Non-Gaa Forum - 1 Like(s)
Replying To yew_tree: "Nobody knows more about Monks than I do" They brew some lovely beer too.
GreenandRed (National) - 22/08/2025 12:12:37
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Looking Forward To 2026 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To yew_tree: "While we all love our counties and most of us dream of seeing our county win an all Ireland title, the truth is the foundation and heartbeat of the GAA is at club level.
The inter county is obviously the showpiece and where the games are played at the highest quality and level. The GAA though have shot themselves in the foot a bit with the condensed season taking the games out of the national spotlight for the entire months of August and September." Did any non GAA people take up gaelic games because the big Inter County games were in August and September as opposed to July??
Seanfan (National) - 22/08/2025 12:58:06
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Can Jack O'connor Over Take Jim Gavin? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Dothesimplethingswell: "I think there are many factors involved in this debate. It makes the all star selection look easy. Gavin did inherit an All Ireland winning team and there was exceptional players on it and the backbone of it remained right through but that is not taking away from any of his achievements as there was an incredible never say die attitude about them. O Connor won it in 3 different stints though 06 & 09 were similar teams. What does impress me about OConnor is the gap between title no. 3 (2009) and no. 4 (2022) and finally this year. Football changed so much in those years. The change in the last 12 months was challenging with the new rules and he is the first manager to win under them but in the 10 or so years he was away from the senior team was that he went back into the underage setup and won 2 minor all irelands and also took the U21s. Winning All-Irelands 18 years apart is very impressive especially with the change in the game and times. Im not going to call any of the managers the greatest as it is subjective under so many factors but they have all made our games great and none of them will be forgotten." O'Connor's longevity is impressive. What's also impressive is his strike rate of 5 senior All Irelands from 11 attempts with Kerry, 45% success rate. It pales big time however compared to Gavins 6 from 7, 86% success.
Gavin's starting 15 in 2019 showed 9 changes from 2013, so quite a different team.
sligo joe (National) - 22/08/2025 13:06:56
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Wexford Hurling Thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Bon: "Ye might want Kildare at home too ;)" Newbridge or nowhere surely:-)
logger (National) - 22/08/2025 14:53:34
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Clare, Limerick, Tipperary And Waterford Ruining Munster Football And All Ireland Championship? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To legendzxix: "When Cork are relegated and Clare are promoted, Clare will be a top 2 seed. They won't be drawn against one as they will be one of them!! ;-)" Cork, like Kerry, have many times the number of Football players that Clare has. If Clare are higher than Cork in the League standings at any point in the future you and I both know it will only be temporary. Like alot of your county kin you really must believe the rest of us fell down in the last shower of rain ;-)
Viking66 (National) - 22/08/2025 15:58:38
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Non-Gaa Forum - 1 Like(s)
It's a difficult one an Allianz. I'm in two minds. But where do we draw the line? Intel have huge links with Israel…should we shut it down? Being on the right side of history is good and all but that won't pay the mortgage.
yew_tree (National) - 22/08/2025 16:46:28
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