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You've come with so many different formats our heads are fried. Keep your equations for the class room.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2720 - 03/06/2026 17:37:28 2677718 Link 3 |
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Tidying up the messy draw situation is an improvement, giving provincial winners guaranteed home games to get to the QF is a disaster.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 187 - 03/06/2026 17:39:11 2677719 Link 0 |
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This discussion has boiled down to 4 points of view tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1851 - 04/06/2026 09:14:22 2677770 Link 0 |
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Sorry yes it was the draw piece I was focusing on. The home advantage to the quarterfinals is a bit strange. It's tough though because trying to have a fair All Ireland but also making the Provincials meaningful come into conflict most of the time. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4691 - 04/06/2026 10:46:00 2677795 Link 0 |
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Thats a very narrow and cynical way of both mine and legends perspective on the system. I want a seeded system that recognises provincial championship success/progression plus recognition of league performance but capped at 16 teams one of which is the previous year's TC winner. I proposed seeding provincial winners 1, runners up 2, top 4 from league 3 and next 4/TC winners 4. I dont distinguish between provinces because under the current system they are treated equally and rightly so. Thats my point of view. I base it both on tradition and standing of the competitions in the season. The provincial championship is more prestigious and placed more centrally in the season accordingly. The league is early season and the All Ireland the final part. We work up to the all ireland not down. Teams use the league to build for the championship. Only this season on the Roscommon thread supporters were valuing a Connacht Championship win over pursuing a Division 1 league opportunity and they were in a position to pursue it. I absolutely believe that any new system must preserve the status of provincial championships and their link to the AI series. Otherwise they are dead and a slightly more prestigious version of the McGrath Cup and its equals. Legends position, as I see it anyway, changes regularly. He was looking to break the link completely at one stage and was one of the first and strongest proponents of the straw man " let them stand on their merits" argument. He has moved away from that somewhat and now recognises that the provincial championships are an integral part of our system. USA one is a stand alone complicated idea that I haven't really engaged with so wont comment any further. Everyone else's as you put it simply isnt true. Some feel very strongly that the AI series should be 16 teams ranked only on league performance and dont care that it will destroy the provincial championships. They even claim that its already happening using big teams losses as proof without any evidence to support their claim only theoretical ideology. Others want to retain the link but in a very complicated and diluted manner which largely amounts to the same thing. Playing the championship at the same time etc. However, regardless of where you stand im very confident on this. Any reform that is proposed that is rooted solely or primarily in making life harder for the munster teams is flawed and therefore should be dismissed immediately. It is illogical to reform on the back of prejudice and shouldn't be entertained. Life is full of anomolies but we dont allow those anomolies to take centre stage in how we function and live our lives. It shouldn't happen in sport either. Id also like to finish on this. If seeding was on league alone ( at end of league as per current seeding system) Kerry would still be in pot 1 and Cork in pot 2. Westmeath would be in pot 4 though. Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 527 - 04/06/2026 11:26:24 2677812 Link 0 |
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Interesting. 1. Round 1 draw split in 2 makes sense. 2. Giving provincial winners home advantage in rounds 1 and 2 would offer something of a carrot. 3. 2A losers should be treated like group runners up under the previous format and given home advantage in Round 3. Winning Round 1 then would be guaranteeing at least a home game in Round 3. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9773 - 04/06/2026 12:46:11 2677848 Link 0 |
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Kerry lost in Round 1. If Kerry got through to Round 3, the team from 2A should have home advantage in Round 3 - similar to group runners up in the previous format. All 2B winners should be away in Round 3 after losing in Round 1. Rightly or wrongly all provincial finalists were given home advantage in Round 1. Roscommon, Armagh, Kerry and Westmeath actually won their provinces. If rightly or wrongly all provincial finalists are to keep home advantage in Round 1, provincial WINNERS should have the reward of home game in Round 2 e.g. Roscommon home to Monaghan, Kerry home to Kildare, Armagh home to Louth and Westmeath at home to Galway. The way Round 2 worked this year - all provincial winners are away in Round 2. Typical GAA that that would happen to shine something of a spotlight on it!!!! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9773 - 04/06/2026 13:09:01 2677860 Link 0 |
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They do polls on the main page.If they counted a poll per username and not per poster their polls would be skewed.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8603 - 04/06/2026 13:25:38 2677863 Link 0 |
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I like the idea of provincial winners getting home advantage but can't guarantee it in round 2 as I wouldn't want to restrict that draw so much, as provincial winners have to be able to draw each other. For example if this year Roscommon, Galway, Kerry, and Cork had all won R1 then with R2 split, and Roscommon & Kerry guaranteed home, the only valid draw is Kerry v Galway and Roscommon v Cork. That would not be a good scenario for the draw to suddenly not matter.
systematic (Galway) - Posts: 308 - 04/06/2026 13:37:50 2677870 Link 0 |
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Re. Flip flopping on provincial championships linked to the All Ireland: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9773 - 04/06/2026 13:49:26 2677880 Link 0 |