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Show a bit more respect to great teams and players like Dublin who have won plenty in future." They are time travellers?
alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 244 - 23/01/2026 12:50:49
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Replying To bláthach: "Yet you felt it ok to take one of our players years ago and you speak about respect thanks so so much.
I have shown no disrespect here to Dublin thanks and please- where have I done so?? Point it out for me, thanks in advance for this.
Please check your Grammar, thanks for that, in particular the use of your tenses as you seem a little confused, much appreciated" Donegal didn't "take" one of your players, neither did Dublin for that matter.
Players normally move for a chance of playing at a higher level and maybe winning some silverware.
That's exactly what Paul Brennan and Declan D'Arcy did, aimed for better rather than waste their potential in the doldrums with Leitrim.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 23/01/2026 12:58:28
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brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 430 - 23/01/2026 13:59:37
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Donegal didn't "take" one of your players, neither did Dublin for that matter.
Players normally move for a chance of playing at a higher level and maybe winning some silverware.
That's exactly what Paul Brennan and Declan D'Arcy did, aimed for better rather than waste their potential in the doldrums with Leitrim." What did Paul Brennan win with Donegal please?? Also Declan Darcy won the same with Leitrim as he won with Dublin- a provincal title so your point is what exactly please and thanks? Or are you please making this argument up as you go along like a lot of your other ones?? Thank you so much for engaging with me. Greatly appreciated.
bláthach (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 23/01/2026 14:29:07
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Replying To bláthach: "What did Paul Brennan win with Donegal please?? Also Declan Darcy won the same with Leitrim as he won with Dublin- a provincal title so your point is what exactly please and thanks? Or are you please making this argument up as you go along like a lot of your other ones?? Thank you so much for engaging with me. Greatly appreciated." Paul Brennan won 2 Ulster titles and a league title with Donegal.
Did he win a provincial title or league title with Leitrim?
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 23/01/2026 15:52:39
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Replying To bláthach: "What did Paul Brennan win with Donegal please?? Also Declan Darcy won the same with Leitrim as he won with Dublin- a provincal title so your point is what exactly please and thanks? Or are you please making this argument up as you go along like a lot of your other ones?? Thank you so much for engaging with me. Greatly appreciated." For a start He won matches with Donegal :)
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must say I'm a bit disappointed at some of the comments on here. I know we're online and it's the usual caveats with that but for a GAA forum the lack of solidarity on display is quite depressing.
there's a couple of points I'd like to make. first of all there's a difference between sponsorship and use of products/services. As someone mentioned about pension funds I am sure we would all be quite shocked (or maybe not shocked) about how intwined some of our day-to-day living is with different regimes and things we might not choose to support if we had the option. The modern world is very interconnected and it's difficult to buy a service or product that completely aligns with your own personal morals. I think it's important to acknowledge that and I would never judge anyone for not following the BDS movement when it comes to Israel-Palestine for example, it is a difficult thing to do.
With this issue specifically, we all know that GAA needs insurance, every ground needs to be insured, the costs are huge, and getting insurance services from somewhere like Allianz - I understand that and would accept that it would be very difficult for the GAA to extricate itself from that sort of set up to be frank.
But accepting sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. Allianz want to sponsor the GAA because they get to wrap their branding everywhere, they get to push their logo and the narrative of their company all over the GAA's second most important competition, at the start of the year when we're all delighted to have intercounty football back. Sponsorship isn't some blessing that the GAA get, thank the lord for Allianz we'd be stuck without them type stuff - not at all, this is a mutually beneficial thing, where the GAA get sponsorship money, and Allianz get the benefit of being associated with the GAA.
Nobody was suggesting that Paddy Power were breaking any laws back in 2017/2018, but the GAA made a decision that they didn't want - morally - to accept sponsorship from gambling companies and Congress passed a ban on sponsorship from those types of companies. That was a purely moral decision, based on what the membership felt was the harm those companies visit on communities. And you'd have to commend the GAA for that as they took the lead on it, they did not wait for legislation to come down, they said - no, we don't want it.
I am not saying the situations are totally comparable, only that we are more than capable of taking decisions that are not based on finances alone and in fact, the organisation is steeped in a political and moral tradition, for all the high and mighty and self-important stuff that we sometimes get with the GAA, it is supposed to be something more than just a sports organisation, it was after all founded to be something much more than that.
I also felt that Jarlath Burns came across as quite dismissive on this issue when addressing it on radio before Christmas. He focussed on the open letter and how small a number that was in truth in terms of GAA membership, but completely ignored the amount of county boards which passed motions on this issue. It was not a small number and the county board structure is the main vehicle for the membership to express things to central council.
In terms of the attitudes of "what's the point" or accusations of hypocrisy - it's exhausting trying to stand up for what you believe in today, but I think you just do what you can, as small as it might be, as much as someone might want to be a hurler on the ditch and call you a hypocrite, maybe we're all hypocrites, it doesn't mean I'll not speak up when I feel the need to. I think anyone who wants to use their platform to make a point, or protest, or boycott, however small or big the action might be, fair play to them and they should be generally supported in my view. No matter if the issue is 1000s of kilometres away or not, there are things that are important and stand the test of time. Sure don't we all know the story of the Choctaw nation in America sending money to help the Irish during An Gorta Mór. It's been 180 years since then and we still talk about it and what that solidarity across oceans meant, no matter how small a gesture it was, no matter that it didn't change anything in the grand scheme when it came to that disaster visited on the Irish people. But let's not bother doing anything about Gaza, what's the point, sure it won't change anything?
The final thing I'd say is that while nothing has been confirmed in terms of any protest from the Dublin players, I find it very very strange that some people seem to take the side of a faceless multi-national corporation over GAA people making a point, but here we are.
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bláthach (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 23/01/2026 22:16:13
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Paul Brennan won 2 Ulster titles and a league title with Donegal.
Did he win a provincial title or league title with Leitrim?" Have you not got google in Donegal please? Surely you can look that up yourself thanks so much. But just in case I'll answer it for you. No he did not win a provincial title with Leitrim thank you but how could he when he was playing with Donegal? Thanks very much but that was a rather foolish question please.
bláthach (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 24/01/2026 11:06:41
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Replying To CCFabu: "must say I'm a bit disappointed at some of the comments on here. I know we're online and it's the usual caveats with that but for a GAA forum the lack of solidarity on display is quite depressing.
there's a couple of points I'd like to make. first of all there's a difference between sponsorship and use of products/services. As someone mentioned about pension funds I am sure we would all be quite shocked (or maybe not shocked) about how intwined some of our day-to-day living is with different regimes and things we might not choose to support if we had the option. The modern world is very interconnected and it's difficult to buy a service or product that completely aligns with your own personal morals. I think it's important to acknowledge that and I would never judge anyone for not following the BDS movement when it comes to Israel-Palestine for example, it is a difficult thing to do.
With this issue specifically, we all know that GAA needs insurance, every ground needs to be insured, the costs are huge, and getting insurance services from somewhere like Allianz - I understand that and would accept that it would be very difficult for the GAA to extricate itself from that sort of set up to be frank.
But accepting sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. Allianz want to sponsor the GAA because they get to wrap their branding everywhere, they get to push their logo and the narrative of their company all over the GAA's second most important competition, at the start of the year when we're all delighted to have intercounty football back. Sponsorship isn't some blessing that the GAA get, thank the lord for Allianz we'd be stuck without them type stuff - not at all, this is a mutually beneficial thing, where the GAA get sponsorship money, and Allianz get the benefit of being associated with the GAA.
Nobody was suggesting that Paddy Power were breaking any laws back in 2017/2018, but the GAA made a decision that they didn't want - morally - to accept sponsorship from gambling companies and Congress passed a ban on sponsorship from those types of companies. That was a purely moral decision, based on what the membership felt was the harm those companies visit on communities. And you'd have to commend the GAA for that as they took the lead on it, they did not wait for legislation to come down, they said - no, we don't want it.
I am not saying the situations are totally comparable, only that we are more than capable of taking decisions that are not based on finances alone and in fact, the organisation is steeped in a political and moral tradition, for all the high and mighty and self-important stuff that we sometimes get with the GAA, it is supposed to be something more than just a sports organisation, it was after all founded to be something much more than that.
I also felt that Jarlath Burns came across as quite dismissive on this issue when addressing it on radio before Christmas. He focussed on the open letter and how small a number that was in truth in terms of GAA membership, but completely ignored the amount of county boards which passed motions on this issue. It was not a small number and the county board structure is the main vehicle for the membership to express things to central council.
In terms of the attitudes of "what's the point" or accusations of hypocrisy - it's exhausting trying to stand up for what you believe in today, but I think you just do what you can, as small as it might be, as much as someone might want to be a hurler on the ditch and call you a hypocrite, maybe we're all hypocrites, it doesn't mean I'll not speak up when I feel the need to. I think anyone who wants to use their platform to make a point, or protest, or boycott, however small or big the action might be, fair play to them and they should be generally supported in my view. No matter if the issue is 1000s of kilometres away or not, there are things that are important and stand the test of time. Sure don't we all know the story of the Choctaw nation in America sending money to help the Irish during An Gorta Mór. It's been 180 years since then and we still talk about it and what that solidarity across oceans meant, no matter how small a gesture it was, no matter that it didn't change anything in the grand scheme when it came to that disaster visited on the Irish people. But let's not bother doing anything about Gaza, what's the point, sure it won't change anything?
The final thing I'd say is that while nothing has been confirmed in terms of any protest from the Dublin players, I find it very very strange that some people seem to take the side of a faceless multi-national corporation over GAA people making a point, but here we are." On gambling....what percentage of GAA income comes from lottos, draws, win a house etc.
All gambling!
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 338 - 24/01/2026 11:27:41
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Replying To CCFabu: "must say I'm a bit disappointed at some of the comments on here. I know we're online and it's the usual caveats with that but for a GAA forum the lack of solidarity on display is quite depressing.
there's a couple of points I'd like to make. first of all there's a difference between sponsorship and use of products/services. As someone mentioned about pension funds I am sure we would all be quite shocked (or maybe not shocked) about how intwined some of our day-to-day living is with different regimes and things we might not choose to support if we had the option. The modern world is very interconnected and it's difficult to buy a service or product that completely aligns with your own personal morals. I think it's important to acknowledge that and I would never judge anyone for not following the BDS movement when it comes to Israel-Palestine for example, it is a difficult thing to do.
With this issue specifically, we all know that GAA needs insurance, every ground needs to be insured, the costs are huge, and getting insurance services from somewhere like Allianz - I understand that and would accept that it would be very difficult for the GAA to extricate itself from that sort of set up to be frank.
But accepting sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. Allianz want to sponsor the GAA because they get to wrap their branding everywhere, they get to push their logo and the narrative of their company all over the GAA's second most important competition, at the start of the year when we're all delighted to have intercounty football back. Sponsorship isn't some blessing that the GAA get, thank the lord for Allianz we'd be stuck without them type stuff - not at all, this is a mutually beneficial thing, where the GAA get sponsorship money, and Allianz get the benefit of being associated with the GAA.
Nobody was suggesting that Paddy Power were breaking any laws back in 2017/2018, but the GAA made a decision that they didn't want - morally - to accept sponsorship from gambling companies and Congress passed a ban on sponsorship from those types of companies. That was a purely moral decision, based on what the membership felt was the harm those companies visit on communities. And you'd have to commend the GAA for that as they took the lead on it, they did not wait for legislation to come down, they said - no, we don't want it.
I am not saying the situations are totally comparable, only that we are more than capable of taking decisions that are not based on finances alone and in fact, the organisation is steeped in a political and moral tradition, for all the high and mighty and self-important stuff that we sometimes get with the GAA, it is supposed to be something more than just a sports organisation, it was after all founded to be something much more than that.
I also felt that Jarlath Burns came across as quite dismissive on this issue when addressing it on radio before Christmas. He focussed on the open letter and how small a number that was in truth in terms of GAA membership, but completely ignored the amount of county boards which passed motions on this issue. It was not a small number and the county board structure is the main vehicle for the membership to express things to central council.
In terms of the attitudes of "what's the point" or accusations of hypocrisy - it's exhausting trying to stand up for what you believe in today, but I think you just do what you can, as small as it might be, as much as someone might want to be a hurler on the ditch and call you a hypocrite, maybe we're all hypocrites, it doesn't mean I'll not speak up when I feel the need to. I think anyone who wants to use their platform to make a point, or protest, or boycott, however small or big the action might be, fair play to them and they should be generally supported in my view. No matter if the issue is 1000s of kilometres away or not, there are things that are important and stand the test of time. Sure don't we all know the story of the Choctaw nation in America sending money to help the Irish during An Gorta Mór. It's been 180 years since then and we still talk about it and what that solidarity across oceans meant, no matter how small a gesture it was, no matter that it didn't change anything in the grand scheme when it came to that disaster visited on the Irish people. But let's not bother doing anything about Gaza, what's the point, sure it won't change anything?
The final thing I'd say is that while nothing has been confirmed in terms of any protest from the Dublin players, I find it very very strange that some people seem to take the side of a faceless multi-national corporation over GAA people making a point, but here we are." Dublin are sponsored by a "faceless multinational."
Company is controlled overseas Investment funds.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3958 - 24/01/2026 12:58:06
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Replying To CCFabu: "must say I'm a bit disappointed at some of the comments on here. I know we're online and it's the usual caveats with that but for a GAA forum the lack of solidarity on display is quite depressing.
there's a couple of points I'd like to make. first of all there's a difference between sponsorship and use of products/services. As someone mentioned about pension funds I am sure we would all be quite shocked (or maybe not shocked) about how intwined some of our day-to-day living is with different regimes and things we might not choose to support if we had the option. The modern world is very interconnected and it's difficult to buy a service or product that completely aligns with your own personal morals. I think it's important to acknowledge that and I would never judge anyone for not following the BDS movement when it comes to Israel-Palestine for example, it is a difficult thing to do.
With this issue specifically, we all know that GAA needs insurance, every ground needs to be insured, the costs are huge, and getting insurance services from somewhere like Allianz - I understand that and would accept that it would be very difficult for the GAA to extricate itself from that sort of set up to be frank.
But accepting sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. Allianz want to sponsor the GAA because they get to wrap their branding everywhere, they get to push their logo and the narrative of their company all over the GAA's second most important competition, at the start of the year when we're all delighted to have intercounty football back. Sponsorship isn't some blessing that the GAA get, thank the lord for Allianz we'd be stuck without them type stuff - not at all, this is a mutually beneficial thing, where the GAA get sponsorship money, and Allianz get the benefit of being associated with the GAA.
Nobody was suggesting that Paddy Power were breaking any laws back in 2017/2018, but the GAA made a decision that they didn't want - morally - to accept sponsorship from gambling companies and Congress passed a ban on sponsorship from those types of companies. That was a purely moral decision, based on what the membership felt was the harm those companies visit on communities. And you'd have to commend the GAA for that as they took the lead on it, they did not wait for legislation to come down, they said - no, we don't want it.
I am not saying the situations are totally comparable, only that we are more than capable of taking decisions that are not based on finances alone and in fact, the organisation is steeped in a political and moral tradition, for all the high and mighty and self-important stuff that we sometimes get with the GAA, it is supposed to be something more than just a sports organisation, it was after all founded to be something much more than that.
I also felt that Jarlath Burns came across as quite dismissive on this issue when addressing it on radio before Christmas. He focussed on the open letter and how small a number that was in truth in terms of GAA membership, but completely ignored the amount of county boards which passed motions on this issue. It was not a small number and the county board structure is the main vehicle for the membership to express things to central council.
In terms of the attitudes of "what's the point" or accusations of hypocrisy - it's exhausting trying to stand up for what you believe in today, but I think you just do what you can, as small as it might be, as much as someone might want to be a hurler on the ditch and call you a hypocrite, maybe we're all hypocrites, it doesn't mean I'll not speak up when I feel the need to. I think anyone who wants to use their platform to make a point, or protest, or boycott, however small or big the action might be, fair play to them and they should be generally supported in my view. No matter if the issue is 1000s of kilometres away or not, there are things that are important and stand the test of time. Sure don't we all know the story of the Choctaw nation in America sending money to help the Irish during An Gorta Mór. It's been 180 years since then and we still talk about it and what that solidarity across oceans meant, no matter how small a gesture it was, no matter that it didn't change anything in the grand scheme when it came to that disaster visited on the Irish people. But let's not bother doing anything about Gaza, what's the point, sure it won't change anything?
The final thing I'd say is that while nothing has been confirmed in terms of any protest from the Dublin players, I find it very very strange that some people seem to take the side of a faceless multi-national corporation over GAA people making a point, but here we are." There's nobody taking the side of Allianz here...but as an aside they've pumped money into gaa for what...30 years now with this sponsorship...they didnt need to do that and its doubtful the return from it is worth it. And if they stopped sponsoring the leagues in the morning then there's only one outfit that would suffer from it.
Absolutely nothing people do here will affect what's going on in Gaza, zero. For example would people in somewhere like Ecuador protesting the troubles in the north have changed anything? There's your answer.
People are dismissive of this supposed protest because it is Dublin i think, and rightly so
alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 244 - 24/01/2026 13:37:14
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Replying To CCFabu: "must say I'm a bit disappointed at some of the comments on here. I know we're online and it's the usual caveats with that but for a GAA forum the lack of solidarity on display is quite depressing.
there's a couple of points I'd like to make. first of all there's a difference between sponsorship and use of products/services. As someone mentioned about pension funds I am sure we would all be quite shocked (or maybe not shocked) about how intwined some of our day-to-day living is with different regimes and things we might not choose to support if we had the option. The modern world is very interconnected and it's difficult to buy a service or product that completely aligns with your own personal morals. I think it's important to acknowledge that and I would never judge anyone for not following the BDS movement when it comes to Israel-Palestine for example, it is a difficult thing to do.
With this issue specifically, we all know that GAA needs insurance, every ground needs to be insured, the costs are huge, and getting insurance services from somewhere like Allianz - I understand that and would accept that it would be very difficult for the GAA to extricate itself from that sort of set up to be frank.
But accepting sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. Allianz want to sponsor the GAA because they get to wrap their branding everywhere, they get to push their logo and the narrative of their company all over the GAA's second most important competition, at the start of the year when we're all delighted to have intercounty football back. Sponsorship isn't some blessing that the GAA get, thank the lord for Allianz we'd be stuck without them type stuff - not at all, this is a mutually beneficial thing, where the GAA get sponsorship money, and Allianz get the benefit of being associated with the GAA.
Nobody was suggesting that Paddy Power were breaking any laws back in 2017/2018, but the GAA made a decision that they didn't want - morally - to accept sponsorship from gambling companies and Congress passed a ban on sponsorship from those types of companies. That was a purely moral decision, based on what the membership felt was the harm those companies visit on communities. And you'd have to commend the GAA for that as they took the lead on it, they did not wait for legislation to come down, they said - no, we don't want it.
I am not saying the situations are totally comparable, only that we are more than capable of taking decisions that are not based on finances alone and in fact, the organisation is steeped in a political and moral tradition, for all the high and mighty and self-important stuff that we sometimes get with the GAA, it is supposed to be something more than just a sports organisation, it was after all founded to be something much more than that.
I also felt that Jarlath Burns came across as quite dismissive on this issue when addressing it on radio before Christmas. He focussed on the open letter and how small a number that was in truth in terms of GAA membership, but completely ignored the amount of county boards which passed motions on this issue. It was not a small number and the county board structure is the main vehicle for the membership to express things to central council.
In terms of the attitudes of "what's the point" or accusations of hypocrisy - it's exhausting trying to stand up for what you believe in today, but I think you just do what you can, as small as it might be, as much as someone might want to be a hurler on the ditch and call you a hypocrite, maybe we're all hypocrites, it doesn't mean I'll not speak up when I feel the need to. I think anyone who wants to use their platform to make a point, or protest, or boycott, however small or big the action might be, fair play to them and they should be generally supported in my view. No matter if the issue is 1000s of kilometres away or not, there are things that are important and stand the test of time. Sure don't we all know the story of the Choctaw nation in America sending money to help the Irish during An Gorta Mór. It's been 180 years since then and we still talk about it and what that solidarity across oceans meant, no matter how small a gesture it was, no matter that it didn't change anything in the grand scheme when it came to that disaster visited on the Irish people. But let's not bother doing anything about Gaza, what's the point, sure it won't change anything?
The final thing I'd say is that while nothing has been confirmed in terms of any protest from the Dublin players, I find it very very strange that some people seem to take the side of a faceless multi-national corporation over GAA people making a point, but here we are." Question: What is it that Allianz has done to warrant their inclusion on the list?
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Replying To Rossieforever: "We're some country for protesting about things we can do nothing about. Allianz have been great sponsors over the years and are contracted until 2030 I think. If that contract is broken the GAA will loose a lot of money and our games will suffer. After all it's a different branch of the parent company that's involved in Gaza so they won't even know about us. All insurance companies do their best to screw us and the choices are narrow. We should be protesting at our government's failure to open up the Irish insurance market to the whole of the EU for a bit of competition." Oh ok so their parent company is mentioned in a UN report about how genocide was funded. But that's ok cause it's only a 'parent company'. A 'parent company' that is clearly celebrated on their Irish webpage.
supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1083 - 25/01/2026 10:45:30
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Replying To alalalalalum: "There's nobody taking the side of Allianz here...but as an aside they've pumped money into gaa for what...30 years now with this sponsorship...they didnt need to do that and its doubtful the return from it is worth it. And if they stopped sponsoring the leagues in the morning then there's only one outfit that would suffer from it.
Absolutely nothing people do here will affect what's going on in Gaza, zero. For example would people in somewhere like Ecuador protesting the troubles in the north have changed anything? There's your answer.
People are dismissive of this supposed protest because it is Dublin i think, and rightly so" I thought I addressed your first point in my initial post to be honest. Sponsorship is not a one-way street. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. Allianz aren't "pumping money" into the GAA for 30 years out of the goodness of their hearts. They get a huge benefit out of their relationship with the GAA, to say otherwise misunderstands why companies bother with sponsorships in the first place. Why do you think the FAI struggled for so long to find a sponsor for the senior men's soccer team? Because of the negative press around the association, no company wanted to deal with them for a long time.
Of course there would be a hit to the GAA financially but like I said, there are decisions made down the years that are not driven by finances and I personally think the GAA should hold itself to a higher standard.
People protesting in Ecuador might not have changed anything about the troubles, but if the Ecuadorian government were providing support to the status quo in the six counties, and protests there meant their government changed policy, however small a change that is, I'm sure the people of the north would remember it and appreciate it. Or even if there was no association at all, people appreciate being seen. Again, the Choctaw sending money during An Gorta Mór didn't change anything significantly. But did it mean something to the people of Ireland? I think it did. Actions don't have to be on a grand scale to be important.
It's not just Gaza either, nearly all of the issues we face can benefit from small protests and decisions. If I decide to buy a glass water bottle and stop buying plastic bottles all the time, it's not going to solve climate change or clean up all the litter around the place. But it's one less person buying plastic bottles, so I'm not adding to a problem. Feeling overwhelmed or that there's no point in trying to change things, while it's understandable it just means nothing will ever change.
Again, I don't think it's a simple situation for the GAA to navigate and if people disagree with my POV that is fine as well, I just don't think having a cynical view or dismissing people for taking a stand on these issues really helps anything.
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Absolutely nothing people do here will affect what's going on in Gaza, zero. For example would people in somewhere like Ecuador protesting the troubles in the north have changed anything? There's your answer.
People are dismissive of this supposed protest because it is Dublin i think, and rightly so" This is such a bad take on the situation. I'm sorry now, but I really thought the GAA was different. It meant more. They go out and commemorate things like Bloody Sunday. The Hogan Stand. The name of the website. Where did the name Hogan come from. Who was he? Why did he die? Colonialism, injustice genocide.
So we don't protest because you think it won't make a difference? Even if that was true, and I don't believe it to be true, there still is one important reason to pursue a protest. To oppose sponsorship from this organisation.
The reason can be summed up in one word. INTEGRITY.
After what I heard one Saturday evening on Saturday sport a few weeks back I really feel the GAA as an organisation has very little of it left.
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Page 21" Thanks. Its easy to pain this in Black and White, PIMCO is a subsidiary of Allianz so therefore its is Allianz that much be at fault. Understanding the relationship between PIMCO and Allianz was not up for debate. PIMCO is the largest bond fund manager in the world with over US$2 Trillion under management. PIMCO operates very independently of its Parent and it has to, if you have a 2 trillion wealth manager, the have to be allowed to run it very independently otherwise it will just not work. Even within PIMCO it is likely that the senior management did not know or approve of the decision as they have to leave investment decisions to their portfolio managers and as a US company they would not have been able to put Israel on a blacklist to prevent any portfolio manager from buying the bonds. They bought 960M worth of bonds and they manage 2 trillion, this was not an investment that would have needed senior approval from an asset % point of view. This cannot be framed as a separate brand within the Allianz group that they have control over or a subsidiary doing the same as the parent just in another country.
I would say therefore that this report is simplified and as a result very misleading by attributing this to Allianz and certainly I would say that those who are protesting about it have no idea of how and why the relationship between the two companies works the way it does. I am sure this is what was explain to the GAA and that is why they accepted it. This is not some brush off by the GAA of peoples concerns around the issue however it can be difficult to explain to the public who only want to see headlines and keep it simple.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2153 - 26/01/2026 01:16:09
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Replying To zinny: "Thanks. Its easy to pain this in Black and White, PIMCO is a subsidiary of Allianz so therefore its is Allianz that much be at fault. Understanding the relationship between PIMCO and Allianz was not up for debate. PIMCO is the largest bond fund manager in the world with over US$2 Trillion under management. PIMCO operates very independently of its Parent and it has to, if you have a 2 trillion wealth manager, the have to be allowed to run it very independently otherwise it will just not work. Even within PIMCO it is likely that the senior management did not know or approve of the decision as they have to leave investment decisions to their portfolio managers and as a US company they would not have been able to put Israel on a blacklist to prevent any portfolio manager from buying the bonds. They bought 960M worth of bonds and they manage 2 trillion, this was not an investment that would have needed senior approval from an asset % point of view. This cannot be framed as a separate brand within the Allianz group that they have control over or a subsidiary doing the same as the parent just in another country.
I would say therefore that this report is simplified and as a result very misleading by attributing this to Allianz and certainly I would say that those who are protesting about it have no idea of how and why the relationship between the two companies works the way it does. I am sure this is what was explain to the GAA and that is why they accepted it. This is not some brush off by the GAA of peoples concerns around the issue however it can be difficult to explain to the public who only want to see headlines and keep it simple." Oh, right, so we wouldn't understand - its all big business we wouldnb't understand i guess. Just like all this people who read things on Facebook believe everything they read as we were told on Saturday sport. We aren't smart enough.
What statements has the global arm of Allianz made about this? As far as I am aware none. They seem to be happy enough with the arrangement and the investments. If I am incorrect about that please let me know.
Until I see that, Allianz in this country continues to celebrate its connections with the global arm of its operations.
These are the reasons I feel sponsorship should be reviewed
supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1083 - 26/01/2026 13:19:54
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Dublin's own sponsor is not a million miles away from similar connection to company that landed Allianz in trouble, it seems.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3958 - 26/01/2026 13:47:49
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