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I think attendances have more to do with competitiveness and structures than the new rules which have clearly improved the game.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3205 - 21/04/2025 15:21:43    2603398

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Agree 100% Mick.. This has to be the stupidest rule ever to be introduced.. I don't like the 2 point arc either as apart from your own county Kerry no team seems to want to bother trying to create a goal scoring opportunity… This rule has backfired badly as all it does is create inflated hurling like score lines for teams even though they are beaten out the gate.. Keeping 3/4 players up was enough to insure a more attacking type game than this arc nonsense and increasing the score values… Attendance figures alone suggest that people are not buying into all these ridiculous new rules…"
Yeah Foreverblue Im not fully sure on the two pointer rule.I like the penalty for dissent but I dont think you should be allowed bring it backnout for a two point effort.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 24/04/2025 15:49:20    2604074

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah Foreverblue Im not fully sure on the two pointer rule.I like the penalty for dissent but I dont think you should be allowed bring it backnout for a two point effort."
Id agree with that. 2 point penalty for not handing the ball back, or crossing the halfway line is a bit much

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1316 - 24/04/2025 17:38:26    2604097

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah Foreverblue Im not fully sure on the two pointer rule.I like the penalty for dissent but I dont think you should be allowed bring it backnout for a two point effort."
Frees for rechnical fouls shouldn't get 2 points.
I get the reason for 2 point frees...to stop deliberately fouling out the field.

I hope that when the new rules are being made permanent , the 2 point score will be dropped.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2260 - 24/04/2025 18:57:15    2604105

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Id agree with that. 2 point penalty for not handing the ball back, or crossing the halfway line is a bit much"
Trawley the problem with the handing the ball back rule is some players are knocking it put of the opponents hands on the wrong and the innocent player is being punished.
Likewise a cute player might not accept the ball when its being janded back and let it drop pretending the other player did nt hand it back.

I have seen it a few times where the rule has been exploited out of the refs viewline.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 24/04/2025 20:17:43    2604114

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah Foreverblue Im not fully sure on the two pointer rule.I like the penalty for dissent but I dont think you should be allowed bring it backnout for a two point effort."
It's a tricky one, say we go with you and agree that it can't be brought back out for a two pointer. A team is losing by a point and we have "dissent", ref brings the ball forward (50m guesstimate), stops just short of the arc and 2ptr is scored to win the championship game. Sunday game later shows the ball was only advanced 40m and it should have been a free from inside?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 24/04/2025 22:30:23    2604136

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Frees for rechnical fouls shouldn't get 2 points.
I get the reason for 2 point frees...to stop deliberately fouling out the field.

I hope that when the new rules are being made permanent , the 2 point score will be dropped."
2 points for a blatant foul just outside the arc is one thing; 2 points should a defender overcarry just outside the arc is different and wrong in my opinion. 2 points for a technical infringement is plainly wrong.

A shot at goal where against an attacking team who break the 3 up rule is also very harsh - a free on the half way line would be much fairer. If you bring the extra man into defense I'm all for the tap over free.

Also 2 points after bringing the ball up from the other half of the pitch after descent is wrong - a free shot for a point after descent should be more than enough.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 424 - 25/04/2025 10:01:31    2604170

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Overcarrying and throwing the ball are getting worse under the new rules. Tacklers are so afraid of any contact that they are reduced to just running beside or after the player in possession.

Key scores that decided games last weekend, came on the end of taking 10-12 steps on the loop.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1184 - 25/04/2025 11:07:49    2604181

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Replying To brianb:  "2 points for a blatant foul just outside the arc is one thing; 2 points should a defender overcarry just outside the arc is different and wrong in my opinion. 2 points for a technical infringement is plainly wrong.

A shot at goal where against an attacking team who break the 3 up rule is also very harsh - a free on the half way line would be much fairer. If you bring the extra man into defense I'm all for the tap over free.

Also 2 points after bringing the ball up from the other half of the pitch after descent is wrong - a free shot for a point after descent should be more than enough."
All this messing with the scoring has caused these issues and anomalies. Just drop the arc, leave the scoring as was and keep the other amendments.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 133 - 25/04/2025 11:09:52    2604182

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Overcarrying and throwing the ball are getting worse under the new rules. Tacklers are so afraid of any contact that they are reduced to just running beside or after the player in possession.

Key scores that decided games last weekend, came on the end of taking 10-12 steps on the loop."
James Horan made the point (on the Examiner GAA podcast) that if the refs don't enforce the steps rule, pushing up to force a turnover wont happen and play would descend into a game of you go, then I go.

If you can take 7-9 steps to get away from a tackle, no one will try to tackle.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1316 - 25/04/2025 12:04:28    2604200

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Overcarrying and throwing the ball are getting worse under the new rules. Tacklers are so afraid of any contact that they are reduced to just running beside or after the player in possession.

Key scores that decided games last weekend, came on the end of taking 10-12 steps on the loop."
Steps were prevalent before the new rules. Whatever rules are in has nothing to do with refs not being able to count and applying the rule correctly. I agree that it's an issue, and refs really need to start applying it properly. I heard someone mention after the Cork-Kerry game that Sean O'Shea was fouled anyway. He was pulled back slightly, but only after he had already overcarried. It's almost impossible to tackle someone fairly if they're carrying the ball without playing it for 6+ plus steps.
I'd disagree with you on the lack of tackling because of the new rules. What I've seen is defenders having to improve their 1-on-1 tackling, rather than relying on the comfort of the swarm defence which had become so prevalent.
It's natural that some defenders will be struggling with this, having not had to prioritise it as much for years.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2286 - 25/04/2025 12:04:48    2604201

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Steps were prevalent before the new rules. Whatever rules are in has nothing to do with refs not being able to count and applying the rule correctly. I agree that it's an issue, and refs really need to start applying it properly. I heard someone mention after the Cork-Kerry game that Sean O'Shea was fouled anyway. He was pulled back slightly, but only after he had already overcarried. It's almost impossible to tackle someone fairly if they're carrying the ball without playing it for 6+ plus steps.
I'd disagree with you on the lack of tackling because of the new rules. What I've seen is defenders having to improve their 1-on-1 tackling, rather than relying on the comfort of the swarm defence which had become so prevalent.
It's natural that some defenders will be struggling with this, having not had to prioritise it as much for years."
Enforce the rules in the rulebook especially the 4 steps when tackled.
Leave the ignoring of rules to the hurling fraternity, they have that market long cornered.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2260 - 25/04/2025 12:20:13    2604205

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Enforce the rules in the rulebook especially the 4 steps when tackled.
Leave the ignoring of rules to the hurling fraternity, they have that market long cornered."
I agree completely in terms of steps. If there's a defender in close proximity, players seen to get. Away with another 3 or 4 when as they're trying to ride the tackle.
Funnily enough, players who are swarmed and take no steps because they're bottled up, are often blown extremely quickly for overcarrying, sometimes after only a couple of seconds.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2286 - 25/04/2025 13:11:19    2604219

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "All this messing with the scoring has caused these issues and anomalies. Just drop the arc, leave the scoring as was and keep the other amendments."
I wouldn't disagree with dropping it but if we keep it - it should be for scores from play and foul play frees and only from the point of the foul.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 424 - 25/04/2025 15:02:03    2604237

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Replying To sligo joe:  "It's a tricky one, say we go with you and agree that it can't be brought back out for a two pointer. A team is losing by a point and we have "dissent", ref brings the ball forward (50m guesstimate), stops just short of the arc and 2ptr is scored to win the championship game. Sunday game later shows the ball was only advanced 40m and it should have been a free from inside?"
Yeah its tricky alright but id have no two ponters from frees.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 25/04/2025 15:28:29    2604243

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah its tricky alright but id have no two ponters from frees."
The problem there is it encourages lads to foul players who are taking on a 2 pointer, especially the good kickers like Conroy, Clifford etc. It would be worth fouling them to only give away a potential 1 pointer from the resultant free.
It's hard to find a perfect solution.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2286 - 25/04/2025 16:13:30    2604251

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah its tricky alright but id have no two ponters from frees."
Only in one case for me, Mick. If a player kicking for a 2 pointer outside the arc is fouled when kicking for the posts it should be a two point free. Otherwise the man fouling gets rewarded for the foul if the resultant free kick outside the arc is only worth one point.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7916 - 25/04/2025 16:45:38    2604259

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2 points for a free for personal foul from outside the arc should still be ok in my opinion.

One point for free for a technical offence though wherever it happens, including dissent etc and therefore no benefit to taking a free outside the arc that was brought up inside it. So always one point for technical offences.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1548 - 25/04/2025 17:18:05    2604267

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Only in one case for me, Mick. If a player kicking for a 2 pointer outside the arc is fouled when kicking for the posts it should be a two point free. Otherwise the man fouling gets rewarded for the foul if the resultant free kick outside the arc is only worth one point."
Good point Green and Red.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 25/04/2025 17:30:40    2604270

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The problem there is it encourages lads to foul players who are taking on a 2 pointer, especially the good kickers like Conroy, Clifford etc. It would be worth fouling them to only give away a potential 1 pointer from the resultant free.
It's hard to find a perfect solution."
True Wanpint.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 25/04/2025 17:31:31    2604271

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