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Replying To baire: "It's a sad state of affairs alright when poor joe who has spent 12 years or more learning a language in school and can't understand a simple commentary of a Gaelic match on tv. Where would you get it! The wonderful monoglots of post-colonial Ireland!" Maybe not everyone has great memories of being made to learn Irish because it was compulsory to do so. Like many subjects you like or dislike a lot depends on the teacher. I loved Irish and did honours in the Leaving 30 years ago. Probably influenced by my grandmother from Fanad, I loved the folklore and the literature but unfortunately rarely speak it nowadays. I wouldn't think any less of someone because they don't want to watch commentary in Irish. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7984 - 12/04/2017 22:06:40 1978947 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Maybe you don't know but I played football pre Boylan time in Meath so I am well aware of the coverage. And I rather none than have to listen to tg4" So you would rather have no coverage at all instead of having to 'listen to TG4' .. not many would agree! 650, 000 watched last Sunday's football league final, Your probably correct in that some other broadcaster would show some matches shown by TG4 but it would more likely be a PPV channel. Sunday league matches in football/hurling, club matches, school matches, Sigerson & Fitzgibbon tournaments and ladies gaelic football not bad for a FTA station, There is sometimes the option of tuning to national or local radio for commentary, One area where TG4 do a better job is in promoting ladies GAA. RTE have the rights to camogie but only show the final live whereas TG4 show from SF of the league and QF of the championship onwards as well as 3rd level tournament. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 605 - 12/04/2017 22:44:33 1978957 Link
Replying To Htaem: "It's also a sad state of affairs that irish gets rammed down our throats in school for 12 years when we could be learning second languages with more practical uses such as French or Spanish etc. But that aside, I've yet to see a logical argument as to how TG4 do a better job than RTE, Sky or Eir, I couldn't care less about their budget or the variety of games they're showing (these are side arguments). Fact of the matter is TG4 broadcast the games in a language that few Irish people use on a day to day basis, how is this better than broadcasting the games in English? (the language most of us use)." No habla usted español? Por qué no? How useful is Spanish or French to Irish people who want to stay in their own country? How many Irish people go looking for work in France or Spain apart from the select few who work in Brussels and Luxembourg? baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 13/04/2017 00:10:12 1978971 Link
I don't think an English language commentary option for TG4 is realistic for the budget they have, especially given the games they're showing (league, club, not the biggest games). You're talking extra commentators, extra audio tracks or streams, extra bandwidth etc. They don't even have a studio for the presenters, so its a shoestring budget as is. But it does what we need. I have to say, I've been really impressed with the TG4 streams on GAAGO for the leagues this year, a big jump in quality from previous years. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 13/04/2017 00:38:03 1978975 Link
Replying To baire: "No habla usted español? Por qué no? How useful is Spanish or French to Irish people who want to stay in their own country? How many Irish people go looking for work in France or Spain apart from the select few who work in Brussels and Luxembourg?" Useful for anyone hear dealing with tourists, either for business or pleasure. Or for anyone working or travelling abroad. There's more than the select few working in Brussels or Luxembourg that travel to or work in French or Spanish speaking countries. And then there's a few who like learning languages and might never use them. Irish wouldn't be a whole lot of use outside of Ireland to most of us. But it's our language, sets us apart from all other nations. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7984 - 13/04/2017 02:22:05 1978978 Link
Replying To baire: "No habla usted español? Por qué no? How useful is Spanish or French to Irish people who want to stay in their own country? How many Irish people go looking for work in France or Spain apart from the select few who work in Brussels and Luxembourg?" That's not very inspiring stuff baire, younger people and retired people often like to travel and learning a second language that is used by millions of people as a first language is never any harm. Also you could easily ask the same question of Irish, how useful is irish to irish people who want to stay in their own country? Not many people speak it or are even able to speak it on a day to day basis, infact you're probably better off learning Polish these days, given the amount of Polish people living here. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/04/2017 09:17:41 1978992 Link
Replying To Htaem: "It's also a sad state of affairs that irish gets rammed down our throats in school for 12 years when we could be learning second languages with more practical uses such as French or Spanish etc. But that aside, I've yet to see a logical argument as to how TG4 do a better job than RTE, Sky or Eir, I couldn't care less about their budget or the variety of games they're showing (these are side arguments). Fact of the matter is TG4 broadcast the games in a language that few Irish people use on a day to day basis, how is this better than broadcasting the games in English? (the language most of us use)." If you don't know what they are saying how to you know its not better than RTE etc? I think we all watch enough football to how what's happening without commentary. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 13/04/2017 09:18:03 1978993 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Maybe you don't know but I played football pre Boylan time in Meath so I am well aware of the coverage. And I rather none than have to listen to tg4" Ah come on royal, that really is a very silly thing to say. At worst you can turn the sound down & have the picture without commentary, which surely has to be better than nothing at all. For my own part I am beginning to enjoy the commentary & am starting to pick up parts of it. A devious plan by gaelgoirs to have us all speaking Irish maybe??? MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 13/04/2017 09:22:58 1978997 Link
RoyalDunne could this be you She'd go "Aon focal, da focal, tu focal eile, And I not know no focal at all. She'd go "Aon focal, da focal, tu focal eile, And I not know no focal at all. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/04/2017 09:22:59 1978998 Link
Replying To Htaem: "It's also a sad state of affairs that irish gets rammed down our throats in school for 12 years when we could be learning second languages with more practical uses such as French or Spanish etc. But that aside, I've yet to see a logical argument as to how TG4 do a better job than RTE, Sky or Eir, I couldn't care less about their budget or the variety of games they're showing (these are side arguments). Fact of the matter is TG4 broadcast the games in a language that few Irish people use on a day to day basis, how is this better than broadcasting the games in English? (the language most of us use)." Excellent post royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 09:37:50 1979002 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Maybe not everyone has great memories of being made to learn Irish because it was compulsory to do so. Like many subjects you like or dislike a lot depends on the teacher. I loved Irish and did honours in the Leaving 30 years ago. Probably influenced by my grandmother from Fanad, I loved the folklore and the literature but unfortunately rarely speak it nowadays. I wouldn't think any less of someone because they don't want to watch commentary in Irish." You see thats a logical point of view. But to some logic is a alien concept. All I said was I would like the option of a red button, (minimal cost) to hear game in a language I understand . royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 09:41:22 1979003 Link
Replying To baire: "No habla usted español? Por qué no? How useful is Spanish or French to Irish people who want to stay in their own country? How many Irish people go looking for work in France or Spain apart from the select few who work in Brussels and Luxembourg?" But Irish isn't needed for any job apart from teaching in Ireland. Even the police dont require it now. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 09:43:01 1979004 Link
Which bit is hard to fathom an IRISH speaking STATION , have the temerity to show a programme in IRISH , how fec7ing dare they , I mean what are they at IRISH on an IRISH station jesus were will it end ? Now if Im reading this correctly to the Donald Trumps out there who want the world moulded in their image who are you to say that if they were to broadcast in another language that it should be in English , why not polish , why not Chinese , Spanish , hey now theres a novel idea bring in the foreign nationals, nope your ignorance of a language that was set up to promote that language should broadcast in the language of YOUR choosing , Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 13/04/2017 10:29:41 1979009 Link
Replying To Marlon_JD: "I don't think an English language commentary option for TG4 is realistic for the budget they have, especially given the games they're showing (league, club, not the biggest games). You're talking extra commentators, extra audio tracks or streams, extra bandwidth etc. They don't even have a studio for the presenters, so its a shoestring budget as is. But it does what we need. I have to say, I've been really impressed with the TG4 streams on GAAGO for the leagues this year, a big jump in quality from previous years." This shoestring budget is nonsense, yes they have less Tha RTÉ, no one is disputing this. But they get advertising revenue, portion of license fee, and a lot of grants from the taxpayer. The extra money for a red button is minimal, as they already have the technology, as they used it before, been digital it is not that difficult, the question is, whether the will is there or not, and judging by the response's from gaelers on here it would seem that among that sect there is little or no will. So I believe that it has to be government, royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 11:10:37 1979022 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Which bit is hard to fathom an IRISH speaking STATION , have the temerity to show a programme in IRISH , how fec7ing dare they , I mean what are they at IRISH on an IRISH station jesus were will it end ? Now if Im reading this correctly to the Donald Trumps out there who want the world moulded in their image who are you to say that if they were to broadcast in another language that it should be in English , why not polish , why not Chinese , Spanish , hey now theres a novel idea bring in the foreign nationals, nope your ignorance of a language that was set up to promote that language should broadcast in the language of YOUR choosing ," Well again that is totally falsifying the argument, not once did someone anyone say tg4 should broadcast in English. Let the main option of Irish continue. However have a dual commentary via a red button in English. Hardly rocket science, it would increase revenue and viewership. Stop muddying waters with hyperbole. Keep to the facts. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2017 11:16:11 1979024 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Well again that is totally falsifying the argument, not once did someone anyone say tg4 should broadcast in English. Let the main option of Irish continue. However have a dual commentary via a red button in English. Hardly rocket science, it would increase revenue and viewership. Stop muddying waters with hyperbole. Keep to the facts." It would increase viewership how? Are you telling me the national league final NEEDS to be available in English before someone will watch ? Just as a matter of interest when you attend a club game what language do you watch it in ? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 13/04/2017 11:33:17 1979027 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "RoyalDunne could this be you She'd go "Aon focal, da focal, tu focal eile, And I not know no focal at all. She'd go "Aon focal, da focal, tu focal eile, And I not know no focal at all." Fada? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7984 - 13/04/2017 11:35:56 1979030 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Maybe you don't know but I played football pre Boylan time in Meath so I am well aware of the coverage. And I rather none than have to listen to tg4" if you would rather none than tg4 then the solution is in your own hands. On my remote there is a second red button, have a look on yours for it and use that to solve your problems. In the meantime I will continue to enjoy TG4s sports coverage. Outside of the sport on tv the irish commentary is a further help to support my decision to send my children to gaeilscoil. When they started I had very little Irish, now I can have a conversation (comfortably if not eloquently.) in Irish without a single lesson. Having the game on TV in Irish and having them see sports stars they look up to speaking the language is excellent. twiceasnice97 (Clare) - Posts: 11 - 13/04/2017 11:44:37 1979033 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "It would increase viewership how? Are you telling me the national league final NEEDS to be available in English before someone will watch ? Just as a matter of interest when you attend a club game what language do you watch it in ?" Do you think everyone in Ireland who watches GAA on TV understand Irish and could follow the commentary in Irish? Premier Sports broadcast to Irish expats, some GAA games, like last Sunday's final, outside Ireland using the TG4 stream with commentary in English. Why didn't they broadcast in Irish ? TG4 isn't exclusively showing programmes in Irish either. Plenty of English programmes. And also conduct plenty of post-match interviews in English as all, probably a small percentage, players and management, don't speak Irish. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7984 - 13/04/2017 11:49:37 1979035 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Excellent post" Excellent because it agrees with your posts!!!!! The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 13/04/2017 11:51:23 1979036 Link