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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "That waa 11 years ago against westmeath in Mullingar. Not exactly a big fixture.
You seem to be implying that we were poor then. We were munster champions in 2013, RU in 2014 and AI Semi finalists that year aswell. We had very good support throughout those years. That game is the equivalent of playing the 6th team in leinster RR. I was there that day and we outnumbered WM fans by 3 to 1."
So you had around 2000 there? I wasnt implying you were poor, you hammered us the year before. You have spent the last few weeks bigging up your support like it was always massive, and I was just reminding you that it only was some of the time. You had a good team in the mid 90s which was well supported wherever they went. This current team is probably your best supported team since then, as its also the best team you have had since then, well its probably your best team ever, although obviously I never saw your 30s team. I did hold in my hand one of Mick Mackeys medals last year when I spent the night after our League game up there with one of his nephews. Ive been to a good few Limerick games too you know, and not just against Wexford.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 10:38:42    2683851

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Mcdonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams also have no, or nearly no, games in June and none at all in July."
So which is it?
We either have more games now than we had or we dont??
Who are these select few?

Ive already covered why they finish those competitions early and the solution you dont like either as it doesnt suit your agenda.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 10:44:33    2683853

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Replying To Viking66:  "You still dont get it. We dont need as many games in April and May, and we need more in June and July, with more counties playing in June and July.
Here's the views of a countyman of yours-
All-Ireland SHC: Liam McCarthy Cup format needs 'tweaks' - Seamus Flanagan - BBC Sport https://share.google/SM50dSlqai7pjNQr7"
Ok so now you are moving the goal posts again.

First you state that everyone has less games other than the ' selected few" when I show you that this isnt even close to being true you move to " not enough games in june and july"

The championship ends on the 3rd week in July. That, in any system, means that there can only be 4 teams in the championship in July. Unless you want to get rid of the 2 week break.

That also means that we have to be down to 6/8 by early june just as it is now. There is no way of keeping the weak in the championship into junr and July unless you give August over to the championship. Then you can give a week off between most rounds of the provincial RR and everyone gets to play to the end of june. The same applies to the joe, nicky, christy and lory. Of course I've said this before but you ignore it.
It will be interesting to see where you duck to next.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 11:07:43    2683866

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Replying To Viking66:  "You could run the Provincials in April. They are starting in April as it is.
Your other idea sounds ok for having more gurling games later in the year, although Id go 1st and 3rd in each Province in the same group, and 2nd in each Province in with the 1st and 3rd.
Only problem is that its still only 6 counties playing Championship hurling for around half the Championship window, counting it as April, May, June and July. Only 9 counties in total have ever qualified to be one of those 6 counties to come out of a Round Robin, And Offaly have only qualified to be one of those 6 teams once, and Waterford have never qualified. Waterford have never played Championship hurling for more than 2 months of a year under the Round Robin system, easy to see why most Waterford hurling people hate it. So really you are talking 6 from 8 counties in the AI series."
If you want 1st and 3rd from each province that just makes it easier for leinster but then that's what this is about.

Munster is the harder and more competitive championship. All 5 teams have contedted AI finals in the naughties. If there is a RR after the provincial round robin it should favour them not the leinster champions

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 11:12:46    2683867

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So which is it?
We either have more games now than we had or we dont??
Who are these select few?

Ive already covered why they finish those competitions early and the solution you dont like either as it doesnt suit your agenda."
The select few are the best 6 teams in the Liam McCarthy in any given year. Apart from them noone else hurls in the best 2 months of the 4 month Championship window for hurling. The summer months.
In Round Robin years Waterford have never hurled in the summer. Doesn't that bother you at all? Cant you see thats not good for promoting hurling in Waterford? Offaly have only had summer hurling this year.
And dont come back with the lower grade finals being in the 1st week of June, I know that already.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 12:02:24    2683884

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "If you want 1st and 3rd from each province that just makes it easier for leinster but then that's what this is about.

Munster is the harder and more competitive championship. All 5 teams have contedted AI finals in the naughties. If there is a RR after the provincial round robin it should favour them not the leinster champions"
Why does it make it easier for Leinster?
And in any case I said Id still prefer an AI RR, which is what I proposed in the first place.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 12:09:59    2683891

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Ok so now you are moving the goal posts again.

First you state that everyone has less games other than the ' selected few" when I show you that this isnt even close to being true you move to " not enough games in june and july"

The championship ends on the 3rd week in July. That, in any system, means that there can only be 4 teams in the championship in July. Unless you want to get rid of the 2 week break.

That also means that we have to be down to 6/8 by early june just as it is now. There is no way of keeping the weak in the championship into junr and July unless you give August over to the championship. Then you can give a week off between most rounds of the provincial RR and everyone gets to play to the end of june. The same applies to the joe, nicky, christy and lory. Of course I've said this before but you ignore it.
It will be interesting to see where you duck to next."
The original proposal I put was to have the Provincial Championships straight knockout. They'd be finished with finals early may. Then 2 groups of 6 in an AI RR. If you think the players need more breaks, we could run that til towards the end of June, then just the top 2 in each group into Semifinals.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 14:23:03    2683939

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Replying To Viking66:  "The select few are the best 6 teams in the Liam McCarthy in any given year. Apart from them noone else hurls in the best 2 months of the 4 month Championship window for hurling. The summer months.
In Round Robin years Waterford have never hurled in the summer. Doesn't that bother you at all? Cant you see thats not good for promoting hurling in Waterford? Offaly have only had summer hurling this year.
And dont come back with the lower grade finals being in the 1st week of June, I know that already."
You know it but you dont accept it. They don't have to be played then. It suits their county boards to do so. They would complain otherwise. The roscommon hurling championship starts this weekend. Kerry is on round 2, Carlow is aswell afaik. Westmeath is starting this weekend too. There is plenty of hurling going on and none of the above are bringing motions to move their season back to finish this weekend for example.

You keep going back to that. In a kockout championship that must end by the 3rd Sunday in July there can only be a limited number of teams playing in june and only 4 in July. It takes 27 matches to eliminste 5 teams. I will say it again. Extend the intercounty season into August and your problem goes away.
Does it bother me that waterford haven't got out of the round robin? No not really. They know what they have to do. They need to win their home games and pick up something on the road. The rules are the same for everyone. Shortcuts solve nothing and only those who dont want to put the work in seek them out. There is noone in KK here looking for shortcuts.
Offaly earned summer hurling this year. You forgot to say that. They out worked and out played you on and off the pitch and earned knockout hurling. Thats how knockout hurling is supposed to be reached. Fair play to them. I hope they are an inspiration to you. Id doubt it though. Stop looking for short cuts.
On your AI round robin. I will ask again. Why would we give up the Munster RR to play in an inferior AI one? Again whats in that for us?
As for Wexford, you cant get out of the leinster one. I suppose it was too cold...

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 16:34:16    2683991

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why does it make it easier for Leinster?
And in any case I said Id still prefer an AI RR, which is what I proposed in the first place."
Because the 3rd team from Leinster is the weakest team in the competition. If 2 come out to the semifinals then its very obvious.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 16:52:00    2683996

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "You know it but you dont accept it. They don't have to be played then. It suits their county boards to do so. They would complain otherwise. The roscommon hurling championship starts this weekend. Kerry is on round 2, Carlow is aswell afaik. Westmeath is starting this weekend too. There is plenty of hurling going on and none of the above are bringing motions to move their season back to finish this weekend for example.

You keep going back to that. In a kockout championship that must end by the 3rd Sunday in July there can only be a limited number of teams playing in june and only 4 in July. It takes 27 matches to eliminste 5 teams. I will say it again. Extend the intercounty season into August and your problem goes away.
Does it bother me that waterford haven't got out of the round robin? No not really. They know what they have to do. They need to win their home games and pick up something on the road. The rules are the same for everyone. Shortcuts solve nothing and only those who dont want to put the work in seek them out. There is noone in KK here looking for shortcuts.
Offaly earned summer hurling this year. You forgot to say that. They out worked and out played you on and off the pitch and earned knockout hurling. Thats how knockout hurling is supposed to be reached. Fair play to them. I hope they are an inspiration to you. Id doubt it though. Stop looking for short cuts.
On your AI round robin. I will ask again. Why would we give up the Munster RR to play in an inferior AI one? Again whats in that for us?
As for Wexford, you cant get out of the leinster one. I suppose it was too cold..."
That's a bit low. There was a sustained period when Limerick couldn't win a championship match of any kind. Nobody here was digging the boot in. It's classless.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4597 - 03/07/2026 18:33:54    2684031

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Because the 3rd team from Leinster is the weakest team in the competition. If 2 come out to the semifinals then its very obvious."
Hurling is between a rock and a hard place. Munster championship drawing big crowds which is great. Hurling nationally possibly needs the profile of 4 quarter finals.
I think hockey at the Olympics had 2 groups of 6 with the top 4 from both groups going onto quarter finals. Seems workable for them but not for the GAA world.
The international rules series had some rule that if it ended in a draw, the defending winners would retain the title. If for arguments sake hurling was to adopt the top 4 from both provinces going on to All Ireland quarter finals for the national good of code - a quirky rule would be that if the quarter finals were level after extra time, that having a higher finish in one's provincial championship would be the tie breaker instead of penalties. Left field suggestion but there has to be some potential benefit for performing better in the provincial championships if 8 going through is better for the sport nationally.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9926 - 03/07/2026 19:23:33    2684040

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That's a bit low. There was a sustained period when Limerick couldn't win a championship match of any kind. Nobody here was digging the boot in. It's classless."
He was probably running around in a Munster rugby jersey back then Doyler, even though he didnt know the rules of that game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 21:33:20    2684056

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Closer it gets to the game, I think Galway and Clare are in for a bit of a pasting. James Owens to referee final.

TommyBermingham (Kildare) - Posts: 29 - 03/07/2026 21:37:42    2684057

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That's a bit low. There was a sustained period when Limerick couldn't win a championship match of any kind. Nobody here was digging the boot in. It's classless."
Yes I know. That was in a knockout format. Its bloody hard to build anything in a knockout format. You are either at or not. Even if you are certain things can go against you like being away from home in the cauldron that Pairc Ui Caoimh is etc. We worked really hard to get away from that for close to 20 years now. We were working hard before that too but it wasn't working for us. We changed things, united and improved. We were helped by the games thar the munster round robin provides. We used that platform to build off. Viking dismisses those games as if they are not relevant. I know that there is more than a hint of jealousy in that attitude but it must be challenged. You cannot be allowed to create an alternative reality. Thats Trump tactics and I deplore them.
I have nothing against Wexford. I wish them well but there is something wrong there. Looking for shortcuts wont change that. Davey came in and showed you what was needed but it didnt stick. Only those deeply involved in wexford hurling know why. If you are referring to my Offaly comments I stand by that. They work really hard there with less resources than Wexford. They made the round robin work for them. I was at the KK game and the crowd really got behind them. The team responded in kind. It wasn't a huge crowd but they played their part from start to finish. Friends of mine who were there for the Dublin game said it was similar. Offaly used to feel sorry for themselves. I remember the conversations when they were struggling and when they went down and then down again. Then csme the campaign for the 6th leinster team and once that was achieved silence or as good as. They knew what they had to do and set about doing it im not talking about the academy only. Im talking about the seniors. They did it in tandem. It was hard work and not glamorous but they knuckles down. Duignsn played a huge part. He put good people in key roles but the players young and old past and present did the work. Hopefully it continues.
Trying to reinvent the wheel looking for short cuts helps noone. Why would any munster team want to see the munster championship diminished in the way viking wants? Why would any leinster team want it for ( leinster championship) that matter but lets focus on us. Why would we want our championship pushed into April and early may to facilitate a round robin against ( currently and for foreseeable future) weaker teams that the fans dont really want? Ive asked him numerous times. Whats in it for us? He hasn't answered because the answer is nothing. Why would most Leinster teams want it( maybe KK and Galway aside) want it? There's very little in it for them either. We saw the quarter finals.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 21:54:06    2684059

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Hurling is between a rock and a hard place. Munster championship drawing big crowds which is great. Hurling nationally possibly needs the profile of 4 quarter finals.
I think hockey at the Olympics had 2 groups of 6 with the top 4 from both groups going onto quarter finals. Seems workable for them but not for the GAA world.
The international rules series had some rule that if it ended in a draw, the defending winners would retain the title. If for arguments sake hurling was to adopt the top 4 from both provinces going on to All Ireland quarter finals for the national good of code - a quirky rule would be that if the quarter finals were level after extra time, that having a higher finish in one's provincial championship would be the tie breaker instead of penalties. Left field suggestion but there has to be some potential benefit for performing better in the provincial championships if 8 going through is better for the sport nationally."
I think in a championship of 11 teams( one group of 5 and one group of 6) the provincial champions should be rewarded.
The munster ceo( it might have been chair) has come out against it and I tend to agree with him but if it did come in I think that it should be a preliminary qtr final with 3rd v 4th with the winners coming through to play the provincial runners up in the quarter finals proper.
I, personally, would prefer the 2 groups of 3. I thonk something like that used to happen at minor a few years ago. Its far from perfect but gives thr extra games some people seem to want to keep the games profile up.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 22:02:56    2684061

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "That's a bit low. There was a sustained period when Limerick couldn't win a championship match of any kind. Nobody here was digging the boot in. It's classless."
In fairness, Limerick didn't look for any favours when they were struggling to win games. They got their house in order from within.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2935 - 03/07/2026 22:13:20    2684062

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Hurling is between a rock and a hard place. Munster championship drawing big crowds which is great. Hurling nationally possibly needs the profile of 4 quarter finals.
I think hockey at the Olympics had 2 groups of 6 with the top 4 from both groups going onto quarter finals. Seems workable for them but not for the GAA world.
The international rules series had some rule that if it ended in a draw, the defending winners would retain the title. If for arguments sake hurling was to adopt the top 4 from both provinces going on to All Ireland quarter finals for the national good of code - a quirky rule would be that if the quarter finals were level after extra time, that having a higher finish in one's provincial championship would be the tie breaker instead of penalties. Left field suggestion but there has to be some potential benefit for performing better in the provincial championships if 8 going through is better for the sport nationally."
I dont think that hurling is anywhere near in the trouble that some are suggesting. There is a current quality issue in some counties that have been stronger in the recent past yes but its nothing that a bit of hard work on and off the pitch wont fix within the counties themselves. KK will bounce back quickly. So will Tipp. It will take a bit longer in Wexford. Waterford probably need their stadium finished but they are close even without it. They just need to finish out games. Its easier said than done but they are in that cycle atm of turning potential wins into draws and defeats. They need to turn that around.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 03/07/2026 22:13:41    2684063

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At the end of the Tadgh mentioned it earlier.

Tge elephant in the room is the condensed nature of the split season and its completely detrimental to the development of hurling.

The thing is the same people whinging about the development of hurling will rail against the one thing thats causing it most harm.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1671 - 03/07/2026 22:55:07    2684069

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So which is it?
We either have more games now than we had or we dont??
Who are these select few?

Ive already covered why they finish those competitions early and the solution you dont like either as it doesnt suit your agenda."
Ive just done some checking and you are wrong about this too. Most lower tier hurling counties Senior Hurling Championships havent even started yet and we are into July. Mayo, Tyrone, Louth, Derry, etc.
You even told a straight untruth about the county you are living in earlier in this argument. Their senior championship hasnt started yet either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 23:13:35    2684071

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Again very selective quoting to suit yourself.
Im not going down the relegation rabbit hole again. I was pointing out the contradictory nature of your posts across different threads and on different days not talking about relegation. You know that.

Didn't Galway come in to leinstrr in 2012? Thats 14 years out of 26. Thats pretty close to half. You didnt win more than 1 in the previous 12 years and they have only won 4. You have had plenty of chances. Again blaming others for your shortcomings. Its a pattern.

We agree on this though. You wouldnt win any more in a knockout format. You just hope that the shorter track will cover the cracks.
There is nothing in your history over the last 50 years or so to suggest that knockout hurling suits you..its just wishful and lazy thinking. Its common among fans to think less will amount to more. It generally doesnt."
I take it Galway entered Leinster while you were running around in a Munster Rugby jersey? Galway were voted into Leinster in 2008. Ourselves, Dublin, and Offaly voted against it. Like anything to do with the All Ireland Championship, including the Mubstwr Championship, it wasnt up to our Provincial Council to decide. It was decided at Congress.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20206 - 03/07/2026 23:19:27    2684072

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