|
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Nobody said there was any correlation, let alone a strong one, between minor and senior success. On the other hand, there is strong correlation between u21 and senior success, as I've already outlined. This is very obvious in the last 10-15 years even, with the Munster takeover of the u21 allireland series 2012-2025 (KK pipped one), and now this is bearing fruit in the senior championship, with the current jibing about Leinster being a bit of a B championship, compared to the real GAA jewel in the crown, the MHC.
There's exceptions too. Offaly 1994-98 won 3 minors, no u21s, and 2 seniors, even if they needed a monumental Limerick collapse, and some unfortunate time keeping from the late Jimmy Cooney to pull it off." Waterford had arguably one of the best u21 teams in that period, and didnt win a Senior. Maybe you need at least 2 seperate u20/1 AI winning teams to win Senior AIs? Although we won in 1996 with no u21 success, and none of the Clare teams of the 90s had won one either. Limerick won 3 u21 AIs in a row in the noughties and none of those lads won a Senior AI either. Although Kilkenny had a generational team. Agree though u20 success is a better indicator of coming Senior success than minor success is. I also think intercounty minor and u20 should go back to u18 and u21.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 18:33:08
2665665
Link
0
|
|
Replying To foreveryoung: "That's true. They care and their parents care also.
But Viking is right. All Ireland senior titles won is the yardstick by which counties are judged. Nobody keeps count of titles in minor or U-21 or whatever it is now.
So, to settle matters. In senior hurling Wexford has 6 titles, Galway has 5. They are almost even, but Wexford is the more prominent hurling county with a stronger hurling history. Who can ever forget all those great battles with Kilkenny over the years, some won, some lost, with great names like Quigley, Doran, Jacob, and Storey?
It is different story in Galway, being isolated in Connacht for years, and the allowing them a free ride into the AI semi-final for years and years, militated against the development of a comparable hurling psyche and culture to Wexford. We don't hear of titanic battles like The Diamond Heyden versus Nicky Rackard. We got it in the 1980's alright, with the exploits of Sylvie on Nicky English, and Bredan Lynskey on just about anyone. The 1980's laid a good foundation for a hurling culture in Galway, but by the 1980's a hundred years of hurling had already been done in places like Kilkenny, Wexford, Limerick, Cork, and Tipperary. There is a hurling culture there in Galway, but it never ignited after the 80's in a way that many anticipated.
So, when I think of Galway, I think of Gaelic football: 9 AI football titles, the great teams of the 1960's, the terrible twins, Purcell and Stockwell from the 1950's, but going back even to the 1930's through the Donnellan's, with AI titles won by the family in the 1930's, the 1960's and the 1990's. When Galway football is mentioned, names fall off the tongue, just like the Rackards, Dorans, and Quigleys of Wexford hurling.
Wexford has 5 AI senior football titles, yet few of us consider it to be a footballing county. Five, the exact same number as Galway has in senior hurling. So, can you see my drift?" Nailed it.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4413 - 10/04/2026 19:46:50
2665671
Link
0
|