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Had a recent discussion on how many of the new rules should be transferred into underage football.
General consensus was not many.
Two-point score: a non runner on shortened pitches - not going to be many at underage anyway
Kick-outs: The kick-out must travel beyond the 40-meter arc. - not a runner, especially during schools winter football
Throw-ins: The start of each half will feature a 1v1 throw-in, where one player from each team contests the ball. - OK to implement
Player positioning: Teams must have at least three outfield players on the opposition's side of the half-way line during play. - ok to implement - refs will have to up their game as the lineman cant be trusted
Solo and GO - not needed below U14 - ok after
Restrictions on goalkeeper - should not be implemented until after U16, otherwise no one will want to play in goal.
Penalties and discipline
Cynical fouls: A black card and a penalty will be awarded for deliberately denying a goal-scoring opportunity. - fine
Team officials: Disruptive conduct by team officials is penalized with a free kick awarded to the opposition on the 13-meter line. - badly wanted - should be extended to parents mouthing off also
Neutral officials: Neutral sideline officials can now report foul play, and referees can issue black cards for jersey-pulling in goal-scoring situations. - no one will want to be a corner back now
Timekeeping
Public Clock and Hooter: A public clock and hooter system is being implemented to improve timekeeping and address concerns about time-wasting. - clock will be small - hooter not an issue
New rules worth trying at underage
Restriction on handpassing - U8 (max 1), U10 (max 1), U12 (max 2), U14 (max 2), U16 (max 3), U18 (max 4), U20 (max 5).
Dissent -
U8. 10 & U12 (any type - opposition, ref etc) - 10min off,
U14 & 16 - 20m free (plus 10min in bin for dissent to ref),
U18 & U20 - 20m free (for any dissent)
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1647 - 30/10/2025 11:53:26
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Had a recent discussion on how many of the new rules should be transferred into underage football.
General consensus was not many.
Two-point score: a non runner on shortened pitches - not going to be many at underage anyway
Kick-outs: The kick-out must travel beyond the 40-meter arc. - not a runner, especially during schools winter football
Throw-ins: The start of each half will feature a 1v1 throw-in, where one player from each team contests the ball. - OK to implement
Player positioning: Teams must have at least three outfield players on the opposition's side of the half-way line during play. - ok to implement - refs will have to up their game as the lineman cant be trusted
Solo and GO - not needed below U14 - ok after
Restrictions on goalkeeper - should not be implemented until after U16, otherwise no one will want to play in goal.
Penalties and discipline
Cynical fouls: A black card and a penalty will be awarded for deliberately denying a goal-scoring opportunity. - fine
Team officials: Disruptive conduct by team officials is penalized with a free kick awarded to the opposition on the 13-meter line. - badly wanted - should be extended to parents mouthing off also
Neutral officials: Neutral sideline officials can now report foul play, and referees can issue black cards for jersey-pulling in goal-scoring situations. - no one will want to be a corner back now
Timekeeping
Public Clock and Hooter: A public clock and hooter system is being implemented to improve timekeeping and address concerns about time-wasting. - clock will be small - hooter not an issue
New rules worth trying at underage
Restriction on handpassing - U8 (max 1), U10 (max 1), U12 (max 2), U14 (max 2), U16 (max 3), U18 (max 4), U20 (max 5).
Dissent -
U8. 10 & U12 (any type - opposition, ref etc) - 10min off,
U14 & 16 - 20m free (plus 10min in bin for dissent to ref),
U18 & U20 - 20m free (for any dissent)" I would definitely be in favour of the dissent rules you mention.
If it's nipped in the bud early with youngsters, there won't be so many problems with it down the line.
I coach u8s, and in our training games I come down heavily on it. The penny still hasn't dropped for one or two, but they'll get there!
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10147 - 30/10/2025 12:01:49
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@tirawley baron - when you say how many 'should be transferred into underage football', do you actually mean 'should be taken out again' ?
Because as things stand, the rules apply to all matches on full size pitches. Here in Wexford, that's from U14 upwards. The Rule Book makes no distinction as to age. Were they doing things differently in Mayo?
As for the ones that you say shouldn't or 'not needed':
Two-pointers: Correct that not a runner on shortened pitches (i.e. up to and including U12 here in Wexford). Also correct that won't be too many of them, but that's not a reason not to play according to the rule. I saw one two-pointer from our U14 footballers this year, three or four from our U16s, and a few more from our Minors.
Kick-outs: Why not? A kick-out is taken from the 20m line. It only has to go as far as the 40m arc. So the ball only has to travel 20 metres. It'd be a very strong headwind to prevent even a 13-year-old from doing that.
Solo and go: again, why not at U14? Speeds up the game and affords the fouled player a possible advantage at that age grade too, same as in other age grades.
Restrictions on goalkeeper: didn't affect anybody playing in goal for our teams this year. They just got used to the new rules, same as everybody else did.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 30/10/2025 13:38:41
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@tirawley baron - when you say how many 'should be transferred into underage football', do you actually mean 'should be taken out again' ?
Because as things stand, the rules apply to all matches on full size pitches. Here in Wexford, that's from U14 upwards. The Rule Book makes no distinction as to age. Were they doing things differently in Mayo?
As for the ones that you say shouldn't or 'not needed':
Two-pointers: Correct that not a runner on shortened pitches (i.e. up to and including U12 here in Wexford). Also correct that won't be too many of them, but that's not a reason not to play according to the rule. I saw one two-pointer from our U14 footballers this year, three or four from our U16s, and a few more from our Minors.
Kick-outs: Why not? A kick-out is taken from the 20m line. It only has to go as far as the 40m arc. So the ball only has to travel 20 metres. It'd be a very strong headwind to prevent even a 13-year-old from doing that.
Solo and go: again, why not at U14? Speeds up the game and affords the fouled player a possible advantage at that age grade too, same as in other age grades.
Restrictions on goalkeeper: didn't affect anybody playing in goal for our teams this year. They just got used to the new rules, same as everybody else did." One of our u14 lads kicked a 2 point free off the ground. The only concession for u14s was that keepers could kick the ball out of their hands. Other than that all rules applied.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17628 - 30/10/2025 21:43:48
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Replying To Viking66: "One of our u14 lads kicked a 2 point free off the ground. The only concession for u14s was that keepers could kick the ball out of their hands. Other than that all rules applied." What i would like to see is that the disciplinary rules in football be applied to hurling for both players and team management.
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 119 - 31/10/2025 10:48:54
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Replying To indaknownow: "What i would like to see is that the disciplinary rules in football be applied to hurling for both players and team management." I'd agree wholeheartedly with that.
The new rule in football has cut out probably 90% or more of that sort of thing. A similar rule in hurling would surely have the same effect there.
Probably not 50 metres, because that would make just about every free scorable, but something like 20 metres might be in order.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 31/10/2025 10:56:25
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'd agree wholeheartedly with that.
The new rule in football has cut out probably 90% or more of that sort of thing. A similar rule in hurling would surely have the same effect there.
Probably not 50 metres, because that would make just about every free scorable, but something like 20 metres might be in order." Yeah I know 50m seems harsh - it's 20m already and it doesn't appear to be a deterant tho! its really the introduction of the black card that has the most effect and the sanction for verbals from the sideline. I'd love if there was some sanction for mouthy parents/supporters too. its really only relevant at club games where there aren't many there and one or two mouths prevail. If there was a sanction they wouldn't be long sorting them out.
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 119 - 31/10/2025 12:58:58
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Replying To indaknownow: "Yeah I know 50m seems harsh - it's 20m already and it doesn't appear to be a deterant tho! its really the introduction of the black card that has the most effect and the sanction for verbals from the sideline. I'd love if there was some sanction for mouthy parents/supporters too. its really only relevant at club games where there aren't many there and one or two mouths prevail. If there was a sanction they wouldn't be long sorting them out." True that the free can already be moved up 20m in hurling for dissent. I was just spitballing that 50m would probably be too much. Maybe set it somewhere in between at around 30 to 40m, or maybe just apply the rule more strictly and more frequently with 20m.
Anyway, on your other point - as one who's spent a few years now coaching underage teams, I'd love to see a sanction against mouthy parents/supporters too!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 31/10/2025 14:07:46
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Replying To indaknownow: "What i would like to see is that the disciplinary rules in football be applied to hurling for both players and team management." Agree 100%
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17628 - 31/10/2025 15:26:40
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Had a recent discussion on how many of the new rules should be transferred into underage football.
General consensus was not many.
Two-point score: a non runner on shortened pitches - not going to be many at underage anyway
Kick-outs: The kick-out must travel beyond the 40-meter arc. - not a runner, especially during schools winter football
Throw-ins: The start of each half will feature a 1v1 throw-in, where one player from each team contests the ball. - OK to implement
Player positioning: Teams must have at least three outfield players on the opposition's side of the half-way line during play. - ok to implement - refs will have to up their game as the lineman cant be trusted
Solo and GO - not needed below U14 - ok after
Restrictions on goalkeeper - should not be implemented until after U16, otherwise no one will want to play in goal.
Penalties and discipline
Cynical fouls: A black card and a penalty will be awarded for deliberately denying a goal-scoring opportunity. - fine
Team officials: Disruptive conduct by team officials is penalized with a free kick awarded to the opposition on the 13-meter line. - badly wanted - should be extended to parents mouthing off also
Neutral officials: Neutral sideline officials can now report foul play, and referees can issue black cards for jersey-pulling in goal-scoring situations. - no one will want to be a corner back now
Timekeeping
Public Clock and Hooter: A public clock and hooter system is being implemented to improve timekeeping and address concerns about time-wasting. - clock will be small - hooter not an issue
New rules worth trying at underage
Restriction on handpassing - U8 (max 1), U10 (max 1), U12 (max 2), U14 (max 2), U16 (max 3), U18 (max 4), U20 (max 5).
Dissent -
U8. 10 & U12 (any type - opposition, ref etc) - 10min off,
U14 & 16 - 20m free (plus 10min in bin for dissent to ref),
U18 & U20 - 20m free (for any dissent)" i think those penalties for dissent are far too extreme,. 10minutes off is far too harsh in games that are 50 or 60 minutes long. you need to change behaviour but thats too extreme. change it to a 5 minute sin bin.
in rugby for example there is sin bins and players yrllow carded from under 14 to under 16 get 5 minutes in sin bin. at 18s which is 35 minutes a side a yellow is for 7 minutes only at under 20s or adult level which are 40 minutes per half do yellows last 10 minutes.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3875 - 31/10/2025 19:49:00
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Replying To KillingFields: "i think those penalties for dissent are far too extreme,. 10minutes off is far too harsh in games that are 50 or 60 minutes long. you need to change behaviour but thats too extreme. change it to a 5 minute sin bin.
in rugby for example there is sin bins and players yrllow carded from under 14 to under 16 get 5 minutes in sin bin. at 18s which is 35 minutes a side a yellow is for 7 minutes only at under 20s or adult level which are 40 minutes per half do yellows last 10 minutes." Rugby doesn't have a tolerance for dissent. The GAA tolerates it, and soccer embraces it.
The GAA either gets serious about dissent or it continues.
5 min is a simple on/of rotation where the kid gets a breather, drink of water and is back on again. Most kids would happily take 5 mins off
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1647 - 01/11/2025 12:28:34
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@tirawley baron - when you say how many 'should be transferred into underage football', do you actually mean 'should be taken out again' ?
Because as things stand, the rules apply to all matches on full size pitches. Here in Wexford, that's from U14 upwards. The Rule Book makes no distinction as to age. Were they doing things differently in Mayo?
As for the ones that you say shouldn't or 'not needed':
Two-pointers: Correct that not a runner on shortened pitches (i.e. up to and including U12 here in Wexford). Also correct that won't be too many of them, but that's not a reason not to play according to the rule. I saw one two-pointer from our U14 footballers this year, three or four from our U16s, and a few more from our Minors.
Kick-outs: Why not? A kick-out is taken from the 20m line. It only has to go as far as the 40m arc. So the ball only has to travel 20 metres. It'd be a very strong headwind to prevent even a 13-year-old from doing that.
Solo and go: again, why not at U14? Speeds up the game and affords the fouled player a possible advantage at that age grade too, same as in other age grades.
Restrictions on goalkeeper: didn't affect anybody playing in goal for our teams this year. They just got used to the new rules, same as everybody else did." Kick-outs: Why not? A kick-out is taken from the 20m line. It only has to go as far as the 40m arc. So the ball only has to travel 20 metres. It'd be a very strong headwind to prevent even a 13-year-old from doing that.
A winter wind is often 20-30kmph on an average day - gusting to 40-50 kph. At that, a lot of kids struggle to get the kick out 20m. The long ball (40m) is off completely. All you have to do is push op with 3 forwards around the arc and the keeper is goosed. Cant go long or short, just a contested kickout on the arc.
Solo and go: again, why not at U14? Speeds up the game and affords the fouled player a possible advantage at that age grade too, same as in other age grades.
Yes - but it reduces the no of kicks per game - at underage we should be trying to get them to kick the ball - not solo and go. Any player can solo and handpass - teaching them the art of a well taken foot pass is hard.
Restrictions on goalkeeper: didn't affect anybody playing in goal for our teams this year. They just got used to the new rules, same as everybody else did. for kids (up to last year) you could be a keeper, take kickouts, run forward as the extra man and assit in defence and attack - very much a playmaker. After the rule changes, you are back to a gk who is confined to the square - a job for the fat kid who has a decent kick out - not the football who can make it happen.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1647 - 01/11/2025 12:38:57
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@tirawleybaron - before going any further with this, I'm still curious, and it's a simple yes or no - were the new rules in force in underage football in Mayo this year, or not?
The way you phrased your original post suggests that they weren't.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 01/11/2025 19:41:47
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@tirawleybaron - before going any further with this, I'm still curious, and it's a simple yes or no - were the new rules in force in underage football in Mayo this year, or not?
The way you phrased your original post suggests that they weren't." Nothing is ever a simple yes or no in Mayo football I'm afraid - shouldn't bother a hurler in Wexford though
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1647 - 03/11/2025 09:53:20
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Nothing is ever a simple yes or no in Mayo football I'm afraid - shouldn't bother a hurler in Wexford though" Ah here. Was underage football in Mayo played under the new rules this year? Yes or no. How is that not a simple question?
Thank you for dismissing me as just "a hurler in Wexford" who shouldn't be bothered one way or the other.
I'll still afford you some more respect than that when you next come up with a proposal that would affect how and when hurling is played here, despite how said proposal would have come from just "a footballer in Mayo".
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 03/11/2025 14:03:17
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Replying To KillingFields: "i think those penalties for dissent are far too extreme,. 10minutes off is far too harsh in games that are 50 or 60 minutes long. you need to change behaviour but thats too extreme. change it to a 5 minute sin bin.
in rugby for example there is sin bins and players yrllow carded from under 14 to under 16 get 5 minutes in sin bin. at 18s which is 35 minutes a side a yellow is for 7 minutes only at under 20s or adult level which are 40 minutes per half do yellows last 10 minutes." I don't think they are too extreme at all. They are meant as a deterrent and to change behaviour. Realistically if any individual is being penalised for it more than once a game they should be taking a look at themselves and so should management. Believe me they wont be long learning. The sin bin at underage is a temp replacement. the team doesn't suffer just the individual. will give them time to think.
Time to change the behaviours - in both codes
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 119 - 03/11/2025 17:14:28
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Interesting debate as to what way counties are doing it.
In underage football in Monaghan this year a lot of the new rules were in force, and worked really really well. From U14 up they had the 1 V 1 throw up, the Solo & Go, and obviously the dissent rules. Two pointers were also in force, and at U14 with the goals on the 13M line it meant that it was really from 32M out, which is still a fair kick for a young lad. The goalkeeper restrictions weren't in place. And the 3 Up only came into force at U16 level.
We also keep the 2 touch rule upto and including U16, which it seems is a departure from what most counties do at U16.
I think nearly all the new rules will come in next year, but I ppersonally don't think the Kick Out having to travel outside the 40M Arc should come in until U16, it really puts too much pressure on a young keeper who might be struggling with the game in the first place.
BrehonBlonde (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 04/11/2025 20:04:28
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Ah here. Was underage football in Mayo played under the new rules this year? Yes or no. How is that not a simple question?
Thank you for dismissing me as just "a hurler in Wexford" who shouldn't be bothered one way or the other.
I'll still afford you some more respect than that when you next come up with a proposal that would affect how and when hurling is played here, despite how said proposal would have come from just "a footballer in Mayo"." Pikeman - your demanding answers as if it matters. - See the answer below - Mayo have operated as most others have, with discretion. In Galway, they haven't enforced the Goalkeeper rules under 16 either.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1647 - 05/11/2025 12:35:39
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Pikeman - your demanding answers as if it matters. - See the answer below - Mayo have operated as most others have, with discretion. In Galway, they haven't enforced the Goalkeeper rules under 16 either." Hmmm. "With discretion" appears to mean "not obeying the Rule Book".
The Rule Book makes provision for exceptions to certain things, e.g. to allow counties make their own bye-laws on size of the playing area and size of the goals up to U15 level. That's how Monaghan apparently play with small goals on the 13m line at U14 level.
But it doesn't allow counties make exceptions to playing rules like the solo and go, the four back/three up rule, or the kick-out having to travel past the 40m arc if a full-sized pitch is being used.
Seems underage football wasn't being played properly under the Rules in certain counties this year. I'd say certain people would feel that matters all right.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3266 - 05/11/2025 13:14:50
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Nothing is ever a simple yes or no in Mayo football I'm afraid - shouldn't bother a hurler in Wexford though" Only just seen this post, we have more Football AIs won than you do. We are proud of being a dual county.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17628 - 05/11/2025 14:11:55
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