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Viking, you go on as if everything is Dublin v Wexford. Dublin are not the barometer. Who beat who how many times and how often Wexford have beaten us is neither here nor there if Wexford are serious about competing with the top counties. Who beat who in what individual head-to-head game matters not if neither pick up a cup at the end of it. Other than that its ifs buts.........
But since you are sabre rattling about head to heads and this good Laois u20 side, here were Laois's results for last year at u20:
Laois 0-08 - 1-28 Galway (23 point loss)
Offaly 1-25 - 0-14 Laois (14 point loss)
Kildare 2-16 Laois 1-24 (11 point win)
Wexford 1-18 - 1-24 Laois (6 point win)
Kilkenny 0-26 Laois 1-09 (14 point loss)
They were so good the beat Wexford and Kildare and were hammered by everyone else?
That more Laois men are alive than Dublin with All-Ireland medals matters zilch. You need to stop living in the past.
If there is one thing I've never heard any Dublin hurling player or supporter being accused of is arrogance!
And its not entitlement, its expectation and they need to be higher than justifying a shambles and the loss with "they were good at minor". Results show how good they were.
I would expect Wexford to be beating Dublin more often than not. Time and again I have explained the GAA is nothing to do with population, its to do with tradition. The expectation should be for Wexford to be winning at least 2-3 Leinsters per decade at minor/u20/senior and winning 1 All-Ireland and if they don't do that then the county as a whole needs to ask why. I was talking to a Tipp man in work this evening and he said they get scathing criticism when they don't come out of Munster any given year. Are Wexford a bit too thin skinned and sensitive? "We can't criticise players because they try their best". To me, you have to be forever striving to do better even when you win. This is why the top counties are so successful. They never rest on their laurels and are thick skinned and come back with a chip on their shoulder.
Look living in Wexford I want to see Wexford succeed, 2019 was a great Summer. But I think hard questions need to be asked and answered every year and if a few noses are put out of joint then tough.
By the way - don't go to the Neller on Saturday week. Its in HQ, we decided to give you a chance to win it ;) arrogance, wha!
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "The league game is in Croker, right?" Yes sorry, double header in Croker. The Football will be a good game to stay for too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 03/02/2026 21:47:09
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "As outside observer, I don't think Wexford are in a bad a situation as some seem to.
They have full points and the two crucial games remain those against ourselves and Clare. For which i imagine the match day panel will be significantly stronger.
Seems to me you have a few good finds as well, which was even evident in the Oulart game a few weeks ago.
All to play for yet. Don't think anyone our end be assuming anything other than tough close affair in Croke Park." Don't think you ever had much negative to say about us in fairness to you Barney.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 03/02/2026 21:50:02
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Just had a look back at it and it says that we came 8th and Down came 6th and that only us and Waterford were relegated in 1993/'94
But in 1994/'95, Down were in Division 2 with us
How did that happen?" It was 3 up 3 down, Wikipedia is mistaken again.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 03/02/2026 22:01:59
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Just had a look back at it and it says that we came 8th and Down came 6th and that only us and Waterford were relegated in 1993/'94
But in 1994/'95, Down were in Division 2 with us
How did that happen?" If you're talking about the Wikipedia page for the 1993/'94 season, it's wrong.
It just has Wexford & Waterford marked in as being relegated from Div. 1, and only Clare & Kilkenny marked in as being promoted from Division 2. But for a couple of years, there was actually a three up/three down system.
Down (third from bottom in Div. 1 that year) were relegated as well, and Laois (third in Div. 2) joined Clare & Kilkenny in being promoted.
Look again at the Wikipedia page for the following season now (1994/'95), and you'll see it has three teams marked as being relegated/promoted between the divisions all right.
How do I remember all this? Was in college at the time with a lad who hurled for Kerry. They ended up taking third spot and being promoted to Division 1. I still remember how excited he was about it.
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Congratulations to Richie Lawlor for making the GAA TOTW
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 03/02/2026 22:59:59
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Viking, you go on as if everything is Dublin v Wexford. Dublin are not the barometer. Who beat who how many times and how often Wexford have beaten us is neither here nor there if Wexford are serious about competing with the top counties. Who beat who in what individual head-to-head game matters not if neither pick up a cup at the end of it. Other than that its ifs buts.........
But since you are sabre rattling about head to heads and this good Laois u20 side, here were Laois's results for last year at u20:
Laois 0-08 - 1-28 Galway (23 point loss)
Offaly 1-25 - 0-14 Laois (14 point loss)
Kildare 2-16 Laois 1-24 (11 point win)
Wexford 1-18 - 1-24 Laois (6 point win)
Kilkenny 0-26 Laois 1-09 (14 point loss)
They were so good the beat Wexford and Kildare and were hammered by everyone else?
That more Laois men are alive than Dublin with All-Ireland medals matters zilch. You need to stop living in the past.
If there is one thing I've never heard any Dublin hurling player or supporter being accused of is arrogance!
And its not entitlement, its expectation and they need to be higher than justifying a shambles and the loss with "they were good at minor". Results show how good they were.
I would expect Wexford to be beating Dublin more often than not. Time and again I have explained the GAA is nothing to do with population, its to do with tradition. The expectation should be for Wexford to be winning at least 2-3 Leinsters per decade at minor/u20/senior and winning 1 All-Ireland and if they don't do that then the county as a whole needs to ask why. I was talking to a Tipp man in work this evening and he said they get scathing criticism when they don't come out of Munster any given year. Are Wexford a bit too thin skinned and sensitive? "We can't criticise players because they try their best". To me, you have to be forever striving to do better even when you win. This is why the top counties are so successful. They never rest on their laurels and are thick skinned and come back with a chip on their shoulder.
Look living in Wexford I want to see Wexford succeed, 2019 was a great Summer. But I think hard questions need to be asked and answered every year and if a few noses are put out of joint then tough.
By the way - don't go to the Neller on Saturday week. Its in HQ, we decided to give you a chance to win it ;) arrogance, wha!" I wasnt really talking about Dublin arrogance or entitlement in particular, but the kind of "top tier" county attitude towards so-called lesser counties that some people here in Wexford have in spades.
Im fully aware of Laois u20 record last year. You are missing the point. That point being the expectation that a county like Wexford should always beat a county like Laois is nonsense because plenty of non top tier counties can produce a team capable of beating a top tier county on their day from a smaller hurling population base.
Obviously the best recent example is Offaly, who produced a great team that won more often than just on their day, 2 Leinster u20s and an AI from a far smaller hurling base than ours.
But Laois have produced underage and Senior teams that have beaten all the "top tier" Leinster counties including ourselves and Kilkenny down the years. Dublin too.
So have Westmeath. Carlow drew with Kilkenny in Senior Championship. Westmeath and Antrim both beat us. Antrim have beaten Kilkenny in Senior Championship too.
Basically what Im saying is many counties teams can produce a good performance, and maybe if we get collectively subconsciously less entitled, arrogant even, and took every game against every opponent as seriously as if it were a game against Kilkenny, maybe we wouldn't lose to as many of those counties as we do.
As regards whether we should have changed our u20 management, and referencing Eddie Brennan, yes he didnt continue as Kilkenny u21 manager after his team lost to Westmeath. But did that defeat make him a bad manager? Would he have done a bad job had he got the job for the following year? Ask that question around Laois and I suspect they would say he's a good manager. 1 bad campaign or 1 bad result doesn't neccessarily make you a bad manager.
Anyway this is all kind of irrelevant now, the management team are in place, and I wish them the very best of luck for the year ahead.
As regards winning 2 or 3 Leinsters every year across the grades, and 1 every decade, that would be absolutely fantastic, and Id be really delighted if we did. I believe its possible, if I didnt I might have moved me and the kids over to Melbourne to where my sister lives eh Storeystash!, given plenty of hard work at grassroots level and developing a real hurling culture that frankly doesn't exist here, at least not amongst the largest part of our county's population. Its going to take a huge amount of work from sadly not too many willing and available people, to try get that small snowball started off rolling down the hill.
Looking back over history we only have one decade that we won multiple Leinsters and AIs underage, the 1960s, which was achieved on the back of the success of a very good 1950s Senior team which tbh kind of came from nowhere. As a county we squandered what we had, a bit of bad luck through the 70s didnt help, but we pretty much returned to our historical base. Which is where we are now.
Of course we can change this, but do enough people in the county really want to? And where are they if they do?
As regards what's possible Clare, Limerick, Waterford, Galway and Dublin all have endured longer Senior droughts over history than us, but all have reached or won underage AI finals in the recent enough past. We should be able to do the same.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 04/02/2026 07:30:15
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Viking, you go on as if everything is Dublin v Wexford. Dublin are not the barometer. Who beat who how many times and how often Wexford have beaten us is neither here nor there if Wexford are serious about competing with the top counties. Who beat who in what individual head-to-head game matters not if neither pick up a cup at the end of it. Other than that its ifs buts.........
But since you are sabre rattling about head to heads and this good Laois u20 side, here were Laois's results for last year at u20:
Laois 0-08 - 1-28 Galway (23 point loss)
Offaly 1-25 - 0-14 Laois (14 point loss)
Kildare 2-16 Laois 1-24 (11 point win)
Wexford 1-18 - 1-24 Laois (6 point win)
Kilkenny 0-26 Laois 1-09 (14 point loss)
They were so good the beat Wexford and Kildare and were hammered by everyone else?
That more Laois men are alive than Dublin with All-Ireland medals matters zilch. You need to stop living in the past.
If there is one thing I've never heard any Dublin hurling player or supporter being accused of is arrogance!
And its not entitlement, its expectation and they need to be higher than justifying a shambles and the loss with "they were good at minor". Results show how good they were.
I would expect Wexford to be beating Dublin more often than not. Time and again I have explained the GAA is nothing to do with population, its to do with tradition. The expectation should be for Wexford to be winning at least 2-3 Leinsters per decade at minor/u20/senior and winning 1 All-Ireland and if they don't do that then the county as a whole needs to ask why. I was talking to a Tipp man in work this evening and he said they get scathing criticism when they don't come out of Munster any given year. Are Wexford a bit too thin skinned and sensitive? "We can't criticise players because they try their best". To me, you have to be forever striving to do better even when you win. This is why the top counties are so successful. They never rest on their laurels and are thick skinned and come back with a chip on their shoulder.
Look living in Wexford I want to see Wexford succeed, 2019 was a great Summer. But I think hard questions need to be asked and answered every year and if a few noses are put out of joint then tough.
By the way - don't go to the Neller on Saturday week. Its in HQ, we decided to give you a chance to win it ;) arrogance, wha!" As regards what's possible Clare, Limerick, Waterford, Galway and Dublin all have endured longer Senior droughts over history than us, but all have reached or won underage AI finals in the recent enough past. We should be able to do the same.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 04/02/2026 07:31:00
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Viking, you go on as if everything is Dublin v Wexford. Dublin are not the barometer. Who beat who how many times and how often Wexford have beaten us is neither here nor there if Wexford are serious about competing with the top counties. Who beat who in what individual head-to-head game matters not if neither pick up a cup at the end of it. Other than that its ifs buts.........
But since you are sabre rattling about head to heads and this good Laois u20 side, here were Laois's results for last year at u20:
Laois 0-08 - 1-28 Galway (23 point loss)
Offaly 1-25 - 0-14 Laois (14 point loss)
Kildare 2-16 Laois 1-24 (11 point win)
Wexford 1-18 - 1-24 Laois (6 point win)
Kilkenny 0-26 Laois 1-09 (14 point loss)
They were so good the beat Wexford and Kildare and were hammered by everyone else?
That more Laois men are alive than Dublin with All-Ireland medals matters zilch. You need to stop living in the past.
If there is one thing I've never heard any Dublin hurling player or supporter being accused of is arrogance!
And its not entitlement, its expectation and they need to be higher than justifying a shambles and the loss with "they were good at minor". Results show how good they were.
I would expect Wexford to be beating Dublin more often than not. Time and again I have explained the GAA is nothing to do with population, its to do with tradition. The expectation should be for Wexford to be winning at least 2-3 Leinsters per decade at minor/u20/senior and winning 1 All-Ireland and if they don't do that then the county as a whole needs to ask why. I was talking to a Tipp man in work this evening and he said they get scathing criticism when they don't come out of Munster any given year. Are Wexford a bit too thin skinned and sensitive? "We can't criticise players because they try their best". To me, you have to be forever striving to do better even when you win. This is why the top counties are so successful. They never rest on their laurels and are thick skinned and come back with a chip on their shoulder.
Look living in Wexford I want to see Wexford succeed, 2019 was a great Summer. But I think hard questions need to be asked and answered every year and if a few noses are put out of joint then tough.
By the way - don't go to the Neller on Saturday week. Its in HQ, we decided to give you a chance to win it ;) arrogance, wha!" We are asking hard questions every year. Noses are put out of joint every year. We couldn't get a preferred lead coach this year on account of it. We need less hard questions and more work done.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18236 - 04/02/2026 07:33:20
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Viking, you go on as if everything is Dublin v Wexford. Dublin are not the barometer. Who beat who how many times and how often Wexford have beaten us is neither here nor there if Wexford are serious about competing with the top counties. Who beat who in what individual head-to-head game matters not if neither pick up a cup at the end of it. Other than that its ifs buts.........
But since you are sabre rattling about head to heads and this good Laois u20 side, here were Laois's results for last year at u20:
Laois 0-08 - 1-28 Galway (23 point loss)
Offaly 1-25 - 0-14 Laois (14 point loss)
Kildare 2-16 Laois 1-24 (11 point win)
Wexford 1-18 - 1-24 Laois (6 point win)
Kilkenny 0-26 Laois 1-09 (14 point loss)
They were so good the beat Wexford and Kildare and were hammered by everyone else?
That more Laois men are alive than Dublin with All-Ireland medals matters zilch. You need to stop living in the past.
If there is one thing I've never heard any Dublin hurling player or supporter being accused of is arrogance!
And its not entitlement, its expectation and they need to be higher than justifying a shambles and the loss with "they were good at minor". Results show how good they were.
I would expect Wexford to be beating Dublin more often than not. Time and again I have explained the GAA is nothing to do with population, its to do with tradition. The expectation should be for Wexford to be winning at least 2-3 Leinsters per decade at minor/u20/senior and winning 1 All-Ireland and if they don't do that then the county as a whole needs to ask why. I was talking to a Tipp man in work this evening and he said they get scathing criticism when they don't come out of Munster any given year. Are Wexford a bit too thin skinned and sensitive? "We can't criticise players because they try their best". To me, you have to be forever striving to do better even when you win. This is why the top counties are so successful. They never rest on their laurels and are thick skinned and come back with a chip on their shoulder.
Look living in Wexford I want to see Wexford succeed, 2019 was a great Summer. But I think hard questions need to be asked and answered every year and if a few noses are put out of joint then tough.
By the way - don't go to the Neller on Saturday week. Its in HQ, we decided to give you a chance to win it ;) arrogance, wha!" We are asking hard questions every year. Noses are put out of joint every year. We couldn't get a preferred lead coach this year on account of it. We need less hard questions and more work done.
Maybe a better way of putting it is we need more good positive answers and less negative questions.
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Replying To Viking66: "We are asking hard questions every year. Noses are put out of joint every year. We couldn't get a preferred lead coach this year on account of it. We need less hard questions and more work done." Out of curiosity who is the lead coach for the seniors - Jason Ryan was due to join the backroom team but has now turned down the offer. Who has Shane Kingston been involved with?
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 04/02/2026 10:26:42
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