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Derek McGrath in pole position for Wex job?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 1033 - 26/06/2026 09:26:41
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Replying To Goreylad1985: "It's not the Munster Councils responsibility to grow or promote hurling outside of Munster!!!" Why isn't it? By locking out any team from the Joe Mcdonagh ever competing they are doing zero to help promote the game outside five counties.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 595 - 26/06/2026 09:34:09
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Tbh, the best way of getting lads to train hard from the start of the season is by getting rid of the split season; if you've Championship in April, then lads are more likely to take their training sessions seriously earlier in the year" The club players themselves pushed for the split season. Remember the CPA?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 10:20:58
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I know we've discussed winter coaching & training for young players before but saw someone (Apologies, can't remember the poster's name) suggest a baronies tournament in the winter and it got me thinking, also tried to combine with the winter schools competition under floodlights that Kinnerk suggested
This is just a rough idea, doesn't take into consideration the number of coaches needed but am just putting it out there as an idea
Each club nominated three hurlers at every age grade from U10 up to U15 to take part in ASH, Used to be called Tom Dempsey/Rory McCarthy/George O'Connor School of Hurling and players got a jersey at the end of it, there's one particular player who if his name was attached to the school, there'd be massive interest in it amongst young lads
€60 entry for everyone and would take place across six weeks at the end of the year and four weeks across the start of the new year
One 60-minute session during the week and one 90-minute session on a Sunday morning; ideally, each district would host its own three sessions each time involving (a) U10s and U11s, (b) U12s and U13s, and (c) U14s and U15s
Now for the twist: the U10s, U11s, U12s, and U13s would be all coaching sessions but the U14s and U15s would instead take part in a competition with a game every week and then a training session on the Sunday
Bringing this back to the barony point, we could maybe have eight teams (Basically two per district)
So.... Naomh Éanna/Alley/Ballygarrett/Tara Rocks/Castletown Ballyfad/Craanford/Askamore/Ferns/Pat's Monageer/Oulart/Oylegate/Shamrocks/Ballyhogue Rapps/Marshalstown/Bunclody/Duffry/Davidstown Blackwater/Shels/Crossabeg/Glynn/Harriers/Clonard Martin's/Anne's/OLI/Fintan's/Rosslare/Kilmore Rathnure/Cloughbawn/Cushinstown/GOH/Adamstown Horeswood/James's/Fethard/Gusserane/Clongeen/Taghmon/Bannow (More clubs here as I think numbers are an issue)
Could have two groups of four: the four North teams in one group and the four South teams in the other. They play each other home and away so six matches pre-Christmas. Top two from North division and South division go into Group A after Christmas and the bottom teams go into Group B; three more games there and then for the tenth and final week, #1 plays #2, #3 plays #4, #5 plays #6, and #7 plays #8
I think the younger lads would be ok with two sessions a week but to get the older lads interested, you'd need to have a match every week. My idea ties in with the one mentioned a few days ago and ties in with Kinnerk's proposal too. By November, most of the underage club finals should be over (Or at least should be close to being over), think Junior hurling in schools is over by mid-November and then the 2nd Year competition doesn't start until the New Year if I'm not mistaken, they'll be too young to play U21 and they might be playing Senior with the school but unlikely to be many of them starting when they're U14/U15, should have the scope to play some sort of competition like that during that time of the year
Obviously finding coaches for it would be a big issue and there are other logistical issues too, I'm just bringing it up as a rough idea" The elephant in the room there is the secondary schools. They will absolutely be against the idea, even though most of them arent doing enough with their boys as it is.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 10:23:29
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "You're spot on with your observation about soccer. It's absolutely huge in Wexford. We have the biggest junior league in the country and according to proud aficionados of the game in Wexford, it's also the best Junior League in Ireland. A certain club has a stranglehold on young lads in Wexford town and it seems like Wexford C.B.S. is one of the most pre-eminent soccer schools in Leinster if not even Ireland. Soccer has always been big here but it's arguably the biggest sport in the county now as regards playing numbers, competitions etc. and has just taken on a life of its own in the last 10-15 years. There is an obvious correlation here with the downturn in the fortunes of our Co hurling teams at all levels. People don't want to admit this but it's staring us in the face. There's something seriously wrong when one of our best forwards chooses to forsake the county team this season to instead bask in the glory of winning division 5 of the Wexford soccer league and also the Gwyn Jones cup." Pretty sure soccers not the reason he didn't play county and he wasnt away from home 5 nights/days a week.....
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 10:25:11
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Replying To Timbertony: "Why isn't it? By locking out any team from the Joe Mcdonagh ever competing they are doing zero to help promote the game outside five counties." Why isnt it? Would the name MUNSTER COUNCIL not be give away enough. Munster counties are its priority. Its their job.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 1033 - 26/06/2026 10:25:27
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Replying To countyman2022: "Derek McGrath in pole position for Wex job?" Not sure that. I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but would prefer Tom Mulally.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 10:26:00
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Replying To countyman2022: "Derek McGrath in pole position for Wex job?" Would his hat not be in the ring to take on the Waterford job? He was with the Harriers for a while in a coaching role. I guess the rumours will be coming in thick and fast until we see the white smoke. I still think Fortune is the man for us right now. Reasons-- He wants the job. He has a passion for hurling. Could bring us on with his enthusiasm. Has experience with managing underage and senior teams. Might get lads to commit that wouldn't under Rossi. He would realise that our defensive structure needs urgent attention and might be the right guy to rectify it. Of course all of the above is really guesswork on my part and as with any manager we can only hope that whoever the committee select will steer us in the right direction.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 724 - 26/06/2026 10:32:18
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Replying To Viking66: "The elephant in the room there is the secondary schools. They will absolutely be against the idea, even though most of them arent doing enough with their boys as it is." How can secondary schools oppose something that takes place outside of school hours?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1413 - 26/06/2026 11:09:22
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Replying To Viking66: "Not sure that. I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but would prefer Tom Mulally." Tom Mullaly is not in running.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 1033 - 26/06/2026 12:42:39
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Replying To Magpie2: "Would his hat not be in the ring to take on the Waterford job? He was with the Harriers for a while in a coaching role. I guess the rumours will be coming in thick and fast until we see the white smoke. I still think Fortune is the man for us right now. Reasons-- He wants the job. He has a passion for hurling. Could bring us on with his enthusiasm. Has experience with managing underage and senior teams. Might get lads to commit that wouldn't under Rossi. He would realise that our defensive structure needs urgent attention and might be the right guy to rectify it. Of course all of the above is really guesswork on my part and as with any manager we can only hope that whoever the committee select will steer us in the right direction." He wont be taking on Waterford, no. Not in their potential suitors. Be hopeful he gets the job, ahead of Fortune and Jj, Be worried jj's cronies could try get him in. Derek been doing sessions with Rathnure on the QT also.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 1033 - 26/06/2026 12:44:46
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Replying To countyman2022: "He wont be taking on Waterford, no. Not in their potential suitors. Be hopeful he gets the job, ahead of Fortune and Jj, Be worried jj's cronies could try get him in. Derek been doing sessions with Rathnure on the QT also." JJ I think will go for the U20 role .. I just don't think he is the type of guy that will consider the senior role .. Heavy rumours going around about Derek McGrath been head man for the job. Who he brings with him is the bigger question
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 336 - 26/06/2026 13:39:52
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "How can secondary schools oppose something that takes place outside of school hours?" Most secondary school training is after school hours, the little of it that there is in most of our schools.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 13:48:22
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Replying To Timbertony: "Why isn't it? By locking out any team from the Joe Mcdonagh ever competing they are doing zero to help promote the game outside five counties." Others are correct. It's not the Munster Council's responsibility to grow or promote hurling outside of Munster.
Each provincial council's sole responsibility is to manage the affairs of that province. They have no wider remit.
Yes, you might like to think that people interested enough to sit on Munster Council so as to manage hurling & football in Munster would have sufficient interest in hurling & football in general to do what they can to promote it in other places too. But it's still not their responsibility to do so.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3785 - 26/06/2026 13:58:03
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Replying To countyman2022: "Why isnt it? Would the name MUNSTER COUNCIL not be give away enough. Munster counties are its priority. Its their job." That only works if Kerry are in the conversation.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4582 - 26/06/2026 14:14:05
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "You're spot on with your observation about soccer. It's absolutely huge in Wexford. We have the biggest junior league in the country and according to proud aficionados of the game in Wexford, it's also the best Junior League in Ireland. A certain club has a stranglehold on young lads in Wexford town and it seems like Wexford C.B.S. is one of the most pre-eminent soccer schools in Leinster if not even Ireland. Soccer has always been big here but it's arguably the biggest sport in the county now as regards playing numbers, competitions etc. and has just taken on a life of its own in the last 10-15 years. There is an obvious correlation here with the downturn in the fortunes of our Co hurling teams at all levels. People don't want to admit this but it's staring us in the face. There's something seriously wrong when one of our best forwards chooses to forsake the county team this season to instead bask in the glory of winning division 5 of the Wexford soccer league and also the Gwyn Jones cup." It's killing GAA in the county. Soccer training and games are not comparable to the physical demands of hurling and football.
How many clubs are training with their senior 20 players (minus lads on county panels) three times a week from January onwards? Clubs aren't doing it. The leagues are not taken seriously as a result. Clubs aren't travelling away to play hurling challenge matches against top level teams in Tipperary, Waterford, Kilkenny from January to May. (Or to play the best teams in Wicklow).
This is the standard in Cork, Tipp, KK, Limerick, Galway, Clare. They are doing their gym work in November and December, training properly at least x3 per week from mid January. Taking leagues seriously. Playing challenge matches against the best teams they can find regularly.
As I said, it's not football stopping hurling from doing this (or vice versa). It's soccer. Lads won't do the heavy lifting in the gym over the winter because there are soccer games. From January to May, lads want to do soccer training during the week and then play soccer matches at weekends, so challenges and leagues are not done or respected.
Soccer is the enemy and what's holding Wexford GAA back, not hurling or football holding each other back.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2594 - 26/06/2026 17:08:58
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Replying To Viking66: "Most secondary school training is after school hours, the little of it that there is in most of our schools." If Junior hurling finishes up in mid-November and we then start an U15 competition that takes place every Wednesday say at 7PM (Or even 8PM), that would hardly clash with secondary schools training sessions?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1413 - 26/06/2026 19:55:31
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "If Junior hurling finishes up in mid-November and we then start an U15 competition that takes place every Wednesday say at 7PM (Or even 8PM), that would hardly clash with secondary schools training sessions?" No it wouldn't
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 21:34:19
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "If Junior hurling finishes up in mid-November and we then start an U15 competition that takes place every Wednesday say at 7PM (Or even 8PM), that would hardly clash with secondary schools training sessions?" Martin Storey Cup is u14 and played that time of year. Not many clubs will have enough u15s, so it would have to be arranged not to clash with schools training, or Martin Storey Cup fixtures. As in ideally a couple of days apart.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 21:36:07
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Replying To icehonesty: "It's killing GAA in the county. Soccer training and games are not comparable to the physical demands of hurling and football.
How many clubs are training with their senior 20 players (minus lads on county panels) three times a week from January onwards? Clubs aren't doing it. The leagues are not taken seriously as a result. Clubs aren't travelling away to play hurling challenge matches against top level teams in Tipperary, Waterford, Kilkenny from January to May. (Or to play the best teams in Wicklow).
This is the standard in Cork, Tipp, KK, Limerick, Galway, Clare. They are doing their gym work in November and December, training properly at least x3 per week from mid January. Taking leagues seriously. Playing challenge matches against the best teams they can find regularly.
As I said, it's not football stopping hurling from doing this (or vice versa). It's soccer. Lads won't do the heavy lifting in the gym over the winter because there are soccer games. From January to May, lads want to do soccer training during the week and then play soccer matches at weekends, so challenges and leagues are not done or respected.
Soccer is the enemy and what's holding Wexford GAA back, not hurling or football holding each other back." Gym work has to be done all year round. 2 weeks after you stop you will have lost significant gains already. Most clubs dont play challenge games when League is on. Kilkenny clubs do as they only have club Football fixtures at that time of year. Agree its not ideal so many of our lads like soccer, but that doesn't make those lads the enemy, thats a bit strong :-
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20093 - 26/06/2026 21:41:42
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