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Replying To Formertownie: "Go games , non competitive games, everyone gets equal playing time , parents demanding to be heard , games coordinators, county boards pandering to the woke generation, nepotism, are any of these having an impact on our competitiveness.
We go out in real competition then and expect an entitlement to compete without a killer instinct .
Life is competitive give that away u wont be long before you are on your knees .
All you are entitled to is an educational opportunity what you do is up to you and even then it's lob sided .
We give every child the opportunity to play and train but what are we teaching them if we say don't worry what effort you put in you are entitled yo play. But rules are in place that any coach is afraid to make a choice that may or may not be controversial leading to him being reprimanded or a slap on the wrist .
Is our underage uncompetitiveness related to any of these contributions . With the knock on effect being carried on to adult .
What did Kinnerk report say about competition at a younger age.
Every child wants to play and win but you have to earn your place and the wins .
It's a mindset you can't just switch it on after you turn 12 or 13 years of age . Including the physical elements." Our go games is only up to u12. So not sure that makes a difference. Its a central GAA policy to have inclusion/participation up to that age, so again shouldn't affect us any worse than any other county. Really not sure what you mean by County Boards pandering to work generations, still not even sure what woke means tbh, but in my limited experience I don't think our CB pander to anybody, some of them are pretty hard nosed individuals!!!
Nepotism possibly does, but only insofar as lads whose parents are coaches are more likely to be practicing between training sessions at home, and are therefore usually better.
Kinnerk didnt say too much about competition at younger ages, in fact our Rackard League etc came in for praise, as did our go games, and our Hurling 365 also, though it needs relaunching.
The u12 A.S.H. is also an excellent initiative, but it was only introduced 2 winters ago, this years u15s are the oldest lads who were on this.
On the subject of lads knowing they will play anyway, dwindling numbers at clubs isnt helping this way. I personally know of a few lads who potentially could be excellent if they worked harder at it, but they arent bothered as they are already one of the better players on their club team and know they will play every game anyway. And their coaches don't want to drop them as they want their team to win.
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Replying To Viking66: "Our go games is only up to u12. So not sure that makes a difference. Its a central GAA policy to have inclusion/participation up to that age, so again shouldn't affect us any worse than any other county. Really not sure what you mean by County Boards pandering to work generations, still not even sure what woke means tbh, but in my limited experience I don't think our CB pander to anybody, some of them are pretty hard nosed individuals!!!
Nepotism possibly does, but only insofar as lads whose parents are coaches are more likely to be practicing between training sessions at home, and are therefore usually better.
Kinnerk didnt say too much about competition at younger ages, in fact our Rackard League etc came in for praise, as did our go games, and our Hurling 365 also, though it needs relaunching.
The u12 A.S.H. is also an excellent initiative, but it was only introduced 2 winters ago, this years u15s are the oldest lads who were on this.
On the subject of lads knowing they will play anyway, dwindling numbers at clubs isnt helping this way. I personally know of a few lads who potentially could be excellent if they worked harder at it, but they arent bothered as they are already one of the better players on their club team and know they will play every game anyway. And their coaches don't want to drop them as they want their team to win." I think you answered your query as to what I meant .
By saying our rackard league came in for praise. This is a competitive tournament cups medals winners losers .. yiung lads aspire to winning it. And yes prob gutted losing but when do we decide its OK to lose if yiu tried your best . . Teachers don't have to take the flak a club coach would take for not playing or picking certain players who may not as yet be ready for that competition.
Do they learn god if I m not playing I better try harder or as in club go home cry and parents go gunning for the coach shouting mental health . Don't be disillusioned to think it does nt happen . There's a balance between being supportive to your children and fighting every battle for them or give them the support/tools for them to deal with these situations and figure out how they can change it if they have the appetite to do so . Maybe it was nt for them . Thats not saying if something is wrong you don't stand up for them . .
I certainly would nt stand back if somethings looked wrong .same as I wont jump in until I see why decisions were made. And can my child improve to show his character and personality . It's a balance that imo is lopsided at present be it from entitlement or parents or child afraid to do the hard work or unwilling .
Children need to be prepared for life especially in such times as these where if yiu can't stand up u may join the herd and take what you are given .
Deep but every part is relevant to life and sport .
Effort/good attitude or just talent
If you are to pick one does effort/good attitude give you more opurtinities in time. If the talent does nt put in the effort and mediocre attitude .
Challenge them without being over the top again every child needs different challenges. No one size fits all .
In fairness u12 now again holds some competitive element . Just to let you know I m not just randomly picking out things its just from observation snd experience .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 525 - 04/02/2026 13:31:51
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Replying To Formertownie: "I think you answered your query as to what I meant .
By saying our rackard league came in for praise. This is a competitive tournament cups medals winners losers .. yiung lads aspire to winning it. And yes prob gutted losing but when do we decide its OK to lose if yiu tried your best . . Teachers don't have to take the flak a club coach would take for not playing or picking certain players who may not as yet be ready for that competition.
Do they learn god if I m not playing I better try harder or as in club go home cry and parents go gunning for the coach shouting mental health . Don't be disillusioned to think it does nt happen . There's a balance between being supportive to your children and fighting every battle for them or give them the support/tools for them to deal with these situations and figure out how they can change it if they have the appetite to do so . Maybe it was nt for them . Thats not saying if something is wrong you don't stand up for them . .
I certainly would nt stand back if somethings looked wrong .same as I wont jump in until I see why decisions were made. And can my child improve to show his character and personality . It's a balance that imo is lopsided at present be it from entitlement or parents or child afraid to do the hard work or unwilling .
Children need to be prepared for life especially in such times as these where if yiu can't stand up u may join the herd and take what you are given .
Deep but every part is relevant to life and sport .
Effort/good attitude or just talent
If you are to pick one does effort/good attitude give you more opurtinities in time. If the talent does nt put in the effort and mediocre attitude .
Challenge them without being over the top again every child needs different challenges. No one size fits all .
In fairness u12 now again holds some competitive element . Just to let you know I m not just randomly picking out things its just from observation snd experience ." I know that. Your posts are always pretty well thought out, with the odd left field idea, which are things I think we need more of. Lads trotting out the same old ideas that didnt work before arent going to solve any of our problems.
I deliberately left out parents. I think anyone who has ever been involved with a team has had to deal with them. For better or worse. Least said the better.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18246 - 04/02/2026 13:39:38
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Formertownie I can tell you, as an active coach I never heard a parent coming to me quoting mental health over a hurling match.
And I have had parents complaining about game time, but we often go back and ask them does their child practice between sessions? Do they work on the weaknesses which we have flagged to them? Do they get out and hurl and practice with them?
I said to one last Summer, your child is in this field for 3-4 hours a week. They are in your house for the other 164 hours. What you want them to do in those 164 hours is up to you, we can't control it. But they'll not improve if the hurl never leaves the boot. Put it back on them that their role is much bigger than they think. If their son isn't improving, its more their fault as parents than those over their team. "Oh but I never played Camogie".......yes but you can throw a ball 10ft which is more than your son can hit it because he never practices.
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Found it interesting that Darragh McCarthy is a selector for Nenagh CBs while still in UL
Obviously, they cost a fortune but I think the coaches of the rugby schools in Dublin tend not to be teachers
Very difficult to get non-teachers to coach schools teams due to time constraints
Could be mistaken but have it in my head that Conor Hearne, Rory Jacob, and Ronán Joyce are with Peter's, Kevin Foley is with Enniscorthy CBS, John Hegarty and David Redmond are with Wexford CBS, Conor Devitt is with Gorey CS, and Ian Byrne is with the FCJ
Deploying coaches to secondary schools might be a very smart use of resources but might not be financially feasible
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Found it interesting that Darragh McCarthy is a selector for Nenagh CBs while still in UL
Obviously, they cost a fortune but I think the coaches of the rugby schools in Dublin tend not to be teachers
Very difficult to get non-teachers to coach schools teams due to time constraints
Could be mistaken but have it in my head that Conor Hearne, Rory Jacob, and Ronán Joyce are with Peter's, Kevin Foley is with Enniscorthy CBS, John Hegarty and David Redmond are with Wexford CBS, Conor Devitt is with Gorey CS, and Ian Byrne is with the FCJ
Deploying coaches to secondary schools might be a very smart use of resources but might not be financially feasible" Seamus Casey in St Mary's CBS too. Tony French and Stephen Stafford at GCC both hurled underage for Wexford also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18246 - 04/02/2026 15:39:01
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Found it interesting that Darragh McCarthy is a selector for Nenagh CBs while still in UL
Obviously, they cost a fortune but I think the coaches of the rugby schools in Dublin tend not to be teachers
Very difficult to get non-teachers to coach schools teams due to time constraints
Could be mistaken but have it in my head that Conor Hearne, Rory Jacob, and Ronán Joyce are with Peter's, Kevin Foley is with Enniscorthy CBS, John Hegarty and David Redmond are with Wexford CBS, Conor Devitt is with Gorey CS, and Ian Byrne is with the FCJ
Deploying coaches to secondary schools might be a very smart use of resources but might not be financially feasible" Several current and ex intercounty hurlers in Nationsl Schools spreading the gospel also
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S Reck and liam ryan not coming back in this year. Massive, massive blows.
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1167 - 04/02/2026 16:28:29
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Replying To hunting: "S Reck and liam ryan not coming back in this year. Massive, massive blows." Surprised to hear Shane is stepping away thought he would stay on he's only 26 or 27 I think. Sad to here Jippo is gone as expected. He was some player for us on his day the best full back in the country
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 848 - 04/02/2026 17:17:23
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