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Replying To S1234: "Come off it . Where were Cavan after they beat us ?
They deserved the win . Though we didn't show up for obvious reasons . You'd need to be blind to not know the troubles behind the scenes in mayo at the time . I was at the Cavan game. Never seen the guys look so flat and pissed off even before the start of the game as I did that day . I go to my mate think we could loose this not a happy a camp. What happened ......" I was getting dogs abuse in the build up to the Mayo v Cavan game for predicting Cavan to win. It was obvious that Cavan were going to be well fired up and deliver a massive performance.
Cavan's win blew the group wide open. Exactly what they had to do. It was Mayo's problem that you weren't ready for it despite being forewarned.
Mayo yourselves were unlucky in some ways to be squeezed out by the late Donegal point. Kerry and Mayo both avoided relegation on the final day of the league and emerged from the pack to reach the league final. Kerry emerged from the pack after being rank outsiders going into the quarter finals. Despite the trouble in the camp, if Mayo had gotten out of the group, you could have emerged from the pack during the knockouts.
Unless results prove otherwise the other side of the club championships, I wouldn't be writing off any of the 7 strong contenders from this year. Over to Monaghan, Derry, Cavan and Meath then as challengers to the top 7. 8 to 14, possibly 15, this year were well capable of getting a result in their day. Clare were the only ones out of place. Division 3 winners Offaly would have made a more competitive impact on the All Ireland series. A crime against good competitive football really that Clare beating Division 4 opponents ranks higher than Offaly winning Division 3. Madness!
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Replying To legendzxix: "I was getting dogs abuse in the build up to the Mayo v Cavan game for predicting Cavan to win. It was obvious that Cavan were going to be well fired up and deliver a massive performance.
Cavan's win blew the group wide open. Exactly what they had to do. It was Mayo's problem that you weren't ready for it despite being forewarned.
Mayo yourselves were unlucky in some ways to be squeezed out by the late Donegal point. Kerry and Mayo both avoided relegation on the final day of the league and emerged from the pack to reach the league final. Kerry emerged from the pack after being rank outsiders going into the quarter finals. Despite the trouble in the camp, if Mayo had gotten out of the group, you could have emerged from the pack during the knockouts.
Unless results prove otherwise the other side of the club championships, I wouldn't be writing off any of the 7 strong contenders from this year. Over to Monaghan, Derry, Cavan and Meath then as challengers to the top 7. 8 to 14, possibly 15, this year were well capable of getting a result in their day. Clare were the only ones out of place. Division 3 winners Offaly would have made a more competitive impact on the All Ireland series. A crime against good competitive football really that Clare beating Division 4 opponents ranks higher than Offaly winning Division 3. Madness!" We only had ourselves to blame for the Cavan defeat .
Though we are much better then Cavan but tend to play to the level of opposition . There was trouble in the camp though and that's why Cillian and O' Hora opted out as both had major rows with mcstay and co . I'm glad we got knocked out as we just where not there at all this year and I wanted Mcstay gone. I hope Andy gets it . For what it's worth I was glad you beat Donegal .
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Replying To S1234: "We only had ourselves to blame for the Cavan defeat .
Though we are much better then Cavan but tend to play to the level of opposition . There was trouble in the camp though and that's why Cillian and O' Hora opted out as both had major rows with mcstay and co . I'm glad we got knocked out as we just where not there at all this year and I wanted Mcstay gone. I hope Andy gets it . For what it's worth I was glad you beat Donegal ." Cavan were worthy winners in Castlebar. Meath were worthy winners in Tullamore. We will all naturally look at our own county's failure in defeat. As I was saying during the summer, it was a poor decision by The Sunday Game not to open with Cavan's win over Mayo. It should have been given top billing on that Sunday. Poor decision by RTE.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Cavan were worthy winners in Castlebar. Meath were worthy winners in Tullamore. We will all naturally look at our own county's failure in defeat. As I was saying during the summer, it was a poor decision by The Sunday Game not to open with Cavan's win over Mayo. It should have been given top billing on that Sunday. Poor decision by RTE." I already said that Cavan deserved their win . As I said though you'd have to be blind or a neutral to not realise there was trouble in the camp at that game . Cavan where no where to be seen after that win . Also them trying to take out Paddy Durcan when he first came on was just nasty .
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Replying To S1234: "I already said that Cavan deserved their win . As I said though you'd have to be blind or a neutral to not realise there was trouble in the camp at that game . Cavan where no where to be seen after that win . Also them trying to take out Paddy Durcan when he first came on was just nasty ." What was this trouble in the camp you speak of?
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3340 - 09/08/2025 17:44:39
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Replying To tirawleybaron: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
The GAA rule book states that "The bas of a hurley at its widest point shall not be more than 13cm (5.11 inches)".
Your eyesight is decieving you if you think all hurls are below that measurement."]To "eradicate" easy hurling points from all angles & distances, should the goal width be reduced? -
or have certain designated scoring zones on the pitch? -
or if football goes to 4-pt goals, should hurling have 5?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3340 - 09/08/2025 17:53:03
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Let me fly my kite again:
Gaelic Football Proposal
All-Ireland League-Championship (AILC)
Inter-County Competition Structure
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i.e. a 'two-tier' Swiss model league phase,
that encompasses Prov KO as league ties, and
serves as a qualifier for a 'three-tier' AIC quasi-KO.
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TWO OPTIONS:
OPTION ONE
✓ Two league tiers of 16
✓ Prov KO ties, based on the prior year Oct Draw,
'double as league ties' (all 4 Prov rds, intra-tier only); any tier-crossover ties (Tier 1v2) are Prov KO only
✓ Play Prov Prelim & QF Rds early (1st half of Feb); and defer Prov SFs (to end of Apr) & Finals (to 2nd & 3rd weeks of May)
✓ After Prov QF Rd, draw '4 groups of 4' in each tier
(from 4 seeding pots of 4)
✓ 12-match Regular Season (URC schedule, *less 'intra-group' ties - i.e. play the other 'crossover' 12), with all 'intra-tier' Prov KO ties included in the 12
* Groups serve to reduce match count to below a
16-team round robin, while also providing adequate crossover flexibility to encompass certain Prov ties
✓ Limit each group to 'one Prov SF team' from
each province (this way, all 'possible' Prov Finals - like all earlier Prov Round pairings - can 'cross over')
✓ Avoid drawing to the same group, both teams in any Prov Prelim, Prov QF or 'Pre-selected' league tie,
to ensure these initial ties have also 'crossed over'
(all played pre-draw, per the AILC Calendar below)
✓ Rank teams 1-16 & 17-32, based on 12-match Swiss model/ partial round robin, 16-team tables, prior to a 'three-tier' AIC for Sam, Shield & Plate
✓ Teams ranked 1 & 17 win "League 1" & "League 2"
✓ Top 8 advance to AI Sam 'AFL-style Playoffs';
9-20 participate in the middle-tier AI Shield KO;
21-28 contest the AI Plate KO (or Tailteann Cup); &
29-32 are eliminated
✓ Prov Champs advance based on League ranking (no Sam berth guarantee)
✓ 'Shield QF 8' earn or retain Tier 1 status the next year, with '2, 3 or 4 teams' promoted & relegated
[after PQFs: 11,12,13,14 host 20,19,16,15; and
QFs: 9,10,17,18 host PQF 'reverse seed' winners].
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Or, alternatively:
OPTION TWO
10-match Regular Season - similar to "Option One", with the following changes:
✓ After Prov QFs, draw tier groups of 6, 5 & 5
✓ 10-match schedule (6 v both 5s; and each 5 v own round-robin group), with all intra-tier Prov ties 'likely' included in the 10
✓ To optimise this 'likelihood' in the Tier 1 draw, split each 'province-specific, Prov SF set' as follows:
Draw '3 of one **4-team SF set' to 'one Group of 5';
'3 of another **4-team set' to the 'other Group of 5';
& '1 SF team from each province' to the 'Group of 6',
before completing groups with remaining teams.
[i.e. target avoidance of Prov KO ties between
'two Group of 6 teams', or 'one team from each Group of 5', as they do not 'double' as league ties].
** If unavailable, draw '2 of a 3-team SF set' instead.
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AILC CALENDAR
(only selected weeks shown below)
Week Activity
-2 (mid Jan) Start of '2-3 game' Pre-Season
0 (end of Jan) End of Pre-Season Warm-Up
1 (start of Feb) 4 Prov Prelim Rd ties; and up to
12 pre-selected, pre-group draw,
mixed-province 'league ties'
2 13 Prov QF Rd ties; and up to
3 pre-selected, pre-group draw,
mixed-province 'league ties'
2 (after QF Rd) Group Draw (2 tiers of 4x4 or 6,5,5)
2 (after Draw) Add 'Week 1 & 2 results' to tables
3 Bye Week
4 (end of Feb) Third Regular Season Match Week
13 (end of Apr) Round includes all 8 Prov SFs
15 & 16 Rounds include 4 Prov Finals
20 Last Regular Season Match Week
21 (end of June) Bye Week
22 AI Sam PSFs/PQFs, Shield PQFs & Plate QFs
23 AI Sam QFs & AI Shield QFs
24 AI Plate SFs
25 AI Sam SFs & AI Shield SFs
26 (end of July) AI Plate Final
27 (start of Aug) AI Sam Final & AI Shield Final
NOTE - Over the 27 weeks, each inter-county team plays 12 (or 10) 'staggered' regular season games;
a likely '0 to 2' tier-crossover Prov KO games; and
'0 to 4' AIC/post-season games, with the remaining 'inactive weeks' deemed sufficient for periodic rest.
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omahant (USA) - Posts: 3340 - 09/08/2025 18:16:37
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Replying To omahant: "Let me fly my kite again:
Gaelic Football Proposal
All-Ireland League-Championship (AILC)
Inter-County Competition Structure
______
i.e. a 'two-tier' Swiss model league phase,
that encompasses Prov KO as league ties, and
serves as a qualifier for a 'three-tier' AIC quasi-KO.
______
TWO OPTIONS:
OPTION ONE
✓ Two league tiers of 16
✓ Prov KO ties, based on the prior year Oct Draw,
'double as league ties' (all 4 Prov rds, intra-tier only); any tier-crossover ties (Tier 1v2) are Prov KO only
✓ Play Prov Prelim & QF Rds early (1st half of Feb); and defer Prov SFs (to end of Apr) & Finals (to 2nd & 3rd weeks of May)
✓ After Prov QF Rd, draw '4 groups of 4' in each tier
(from 4 seeding pots of 4)
✓ 12-match Regular Season (URC schedule, *less 'intra-group' ties - i.e. play the other 'crossover' 12), with all 'intra-tier' Prov KO ties included in the 12
* Groups serve to reduce match count to below a
16-team round robin, while also providing adequate crossover flexibility to encompass certain Prov ties
✓ Limit each group to 'one Prov SF team' from
each province (this way, all 'possible' Prov Finals - like all earlier Prov Round pairings - can 'cross over')
✓ Avoid drawing to the same group, both teams in any Prov Prelim, Prov QF or 'Pre-selected' league tie,
to ensure these initial ties have also 'crossed over'
(all played pre-draw, per the AILC Calendar below)
✓ Rank teams 1-16 & 17-32, based on 12-match Swiss model/ partial round robin, 16-team tables, prior to a 'three-tier' AIC for Sam, Shield & Plate
✓ Teams ranked 1 & 17 win "League 1" & "League 2"
✓ Top 8 advance to AI Sam 'AFL-style Playoffs';
9-20 participate in the middle-tier AI Shield KO;
21-28 contest the AI Plate KO (or Tailteann Cup); &
29-32 are eliminated
✓ Prov Champs advance based on League ranking (no Sam berth guarantee)
✓ 'Shield QF 8' earn or retain Tier 1 status the next year, with '2, 3 or 4 teams' promoted & relegated
[after PQFs: 11,12,13,14 host 20,19,16,15; and
QFs: 9,10,17,18 host PQF 'reverse seed' winners .
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Or, alternatively:
OPTION TWO
10-match Regular Season - similar to "Option One", with the following changes:
✓ After Prov QFs, draw tier groups of 6, 5 & 5
✓ 10-match schedule (6 v both 5s; and each 5 v own round-robin group), with all intra-tier Prov ties 'likely' included in the 10
✓ To optimise this 'likelihood' in the Tier 1 draw, split each 'province-specific, Prov SF set' as follows:
Draw '3 of one **4-team SF set' to 'one Group of 5';
'3 of another **4-team set' to the 'other Group of 5';
& '1 SF team from each province' to the 'Group of 6',
before completing groups with remaining teams.
[i.e. target avoidance of Prov KO ties between
'two Group of 6 teams', or 'one team from each Group of 5', as they do not 'double' as league ties].
** If unavailable, draw '2 of a 3-team SF set' instead.
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AILC CALENDAR
(only selected weeks shown below)
Week Activity
-2 (mid Jan) Start of '2-3 game' Pre-Season
0 (end of Jan) End of Pre-Season Warm-Up
1 (start of Feb) 4 Prov Prelim Rd ties; and up to
12 pre-selected, pre-group draw,
mixed-province 'league ties'
2 13 Prov QF Rd ties; and up to
3 pre-selected, pre-group draw,
mixed-province 'league ties'
2 (after QF Rd) Group Draw (2 tiers of 4x4 or 6,5,5)
2 (after Draw) Add 'Week 1 & 2 results' to tables
3 Bye Week
4 (end of Feb) Third Regular Season Match Week
13 (end of Apr) Round includes all 8 Prov SFs
15 & 16 Rounds include 4 Prov Finals
20 Last Regular Season Match Week
21 (end of June) Bye Week
22 AI Sam PSFs/PQFs, Shield PQFs & Plate QFs
23 AI Sam QFs & AI Shield QFs
24 AI Plate SFs
25 AI Sam SFs & AI Shield SFs
26 (end of July) AI Plate Final
27 (start of Aug) AI Sam Final & AI Shield Final
NOTE - Over the 27 weeks, each inter-county team plays 12 (or 10) 'staggered' regular season games;
a likely '0 to 2' tier-crossover Prov KO games; and
'0 to 4' AIC/post-season games, with the remaining 'inactive weeks' deemed sufficient for periodic rest.
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Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 09/08/2025 18:39:00
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Looking Forward To 2026 has little to do with the rabbit hole of tweaking the championship structure when the double eliminator is locked in.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9150 - 09/08/2025 20:10:55
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Replying To legendzxix: "Looking Forward To 2026 has little to do with the rabbit hole of tweaking the championship structure when the double eliminator is locked in." Fair enough - but this seems to be a special rule for me - were you afraid of the others before?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3340 - 09/08/2025 22:45:32
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Replying To omahant: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
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Replying To omahant: "Fair enough - but this seems to be a special rule for me - were you afraid of the others before?" You're very sensitive! Was a general comment. Was only saying like!
The quarter finals was some drama this year. 3 of the favourites were knocked. Took a superb second half from Donegal to prevent the 4 favourites from being knocked out. All roads every year lead to the knockout quarter finals weekend of high stakes. Exactly as it should be.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9150 - 10/08/2025 11:16:22
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To omahant: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
Look at the aussie rules season structure from very beginning. league followed by finals. from the very beginning in 1800s
It isnt purely financial decisions to have finals after a league round robin stage
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Fossa, for an intermediate club, are getting a lot of attention! The pull of star attraction with the FOTY elect in their ranks.
Peter Keane has stepped down from managing the Clare senior football team after one season in charge. I wonder will Clare go looking in the direction of Kerry again. Clare will have to get past Kerry or Cork in 2026 to get back to another Munster final and All Ireland qualification.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9150 - 10/08/2025 13:14:26
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Replying To KillingFields: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=omahant: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
Look at the aussie rules season structure from very beginning. league followed by finals. from the very beginning in 1800s
It isnt purely financial decisions to have finals after a league round robin stage"]League Finals have been a feature here for a long time also.
But the Bottom line for me though is that I think we currently have too many intercounty games, with not enough of a break between League and Championship. If we went to our own Leagues not having League finals it would help ease the congestion.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16915 - 10/08/2025 14:15:29
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To omahant: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "IN Hurling, only the munster championship was worth watching. Leinster, League and All ireland series were poor fair.
In Football, Div 1 of the league and the knock out stage of the Sam Magure werent great - the rest was very good.
Both Hurling and football need to revamp their seasons.
Hurling - merge Munster with Leinster and have an 8 team round robing championship for Liam McCarthy with a second level McDonagh Cup of 8 teams.
Change the hurling league to 7 groups of 5.
Would like to see groups like
1A: Cork, Clare, Limerick, Galway, Offaly
1B: Tipp, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin
2: Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Down
3: Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Derry, London
4: Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Wicklow, Roscommon
5: Armagh, Cavan, SLigo, Louth, Fermanagh
6: Lietrim, Longford, Warickshire, Lancashire, Monaghan
top 4 in Di 1 : into league semi finals
bottom 2 in each group enter relegation play off - win first game - qualify for Liam Mc Carth - lose second game - relegated to Div 2
All other divisions top 2 into league final and bottom 2 into relegation play off - 1 up and 1 down.
LIam Mc Carthy to have 8 teams playing 7 group matches - with
Top two Munster teams go to munster final, top 2 in Leinster into Leinster final.
Provincial winners into All ireland semi final,
2 best in Liam who dont qualify for provincials play off against top 2 in McDonagh.- winners play provincial r up for semi final spots
Mc Donagh = 2 from Div 1, 5 from div 2 and 1 from div 3
Christy Ring = 4 from div 3 and 4 from div 4
Lorg Meagher = 2 from div 4 and div 5&6 = 3 groups of 4.
5/6 league matches
7-9 championship matches
In football
The best part of the football season was the group stages - they are now gone.
The league needs to change to 2 groups of 7 and 3 group of 6.
1A: Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Meath,
1B: Mayo, Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Cork,
2: Cavan, Louth, Down, Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath
3: Clare, Fermanagh, SLigo, Laois, Antrim, Wexford, Limerick
4: Lietrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Tipp, Longford, London, Waterford
Div 1 league semis and final - bottom two in each group into relegation play off.
Div 2 - top 2 into league final - 3rd place guaranteed SAM Maguire football
Div 3 league final - bottom 2 relegated
Div 4 league final - bottom team into tailteann cup qualifier in New York
Provincial Championship round robin (like U20 format)
Connacht: A (Mayo, Galway, Ross) & B (Lietrim, Sligo, London) - top A into final, B Rup & top of B into semi
Munster as per Connacht
Ulster: A (Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone), B (Derry, Monaghan, Cavan) C (Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - top A v Top C, Rup A v top B in semis
Leinster: A (Dublin, Louth, Meath), B (Kildare, Offaly, Laois. Westmeath), C (Wicklow, Carlow, Longford, Wexford) - top A v top V. Rup A v top B in semis
6 league matches each
4 matches to win Ulster & Leinster, 3/4 to win Connacht & Munster
then the round robin (2-5 matches)
Every county would get 22/23 matches (Hurling and football) as a min
Counties reaching league or all Ireland finals get 25 matches in 30 weeks.
An opening league weekend on St Brigids weekend with Donegal v Dublin, Kerry V Armagh, Galway v Tyrone and Cork V Limerick, Tipp V Kilkenny
hurling 1 week, football the next
Hurling championship starting on May Bank Holiday weekend, with Football league finals on the same weekend
Provincial football on through May and provincial finals in football and hurling in June
knock out championship through July and All Ireland Hurling and football finals on August Bank Holiday weekend.
I wont see it in 2026 but it is where we need to get to.
Also, a smaller boss on senior county hurls is needed - its way to easy to hit long range points over with a half door." Did you watch any Leinster hurling games? Or indeed any games of hurling at all? Plenty of 1 sided games in Munster this year. Also did you ever play hurling? If you ever watched a game of hurling I'm sure you would have noticed that keepers use an ordinary sized hurl for puckouts instead of the big bas keepers hurl. Why would that be do you wonder? And I still think we should get rid of League finals. Or if you insist on keeping them stop referring to the competition as a League. A League has a League table, the winners are the team that finish top of it."
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Replying To legendzxix: "You're very sensitive! Was a general comment. Was only saying like!
The quarter finals was some drama this year. 3 of the favourites were knocked. Took a superb second half from Donegal to prevent the 4 favourites from being knocked out. All roads every year lead to the knockout quarter finals weekend of high stakes. Exactly as it should be." I wasn't "hurt" - just saying application of poster standard seems to differ.
Re: Thrill of anticipating AI KO QFs - I agree and Maurice Brosnan (Gaelic Football Show, Examiner Podcast) made a similar comment recently - saying it was akin to the US NFL Divisional Playoffs (I agree again).
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Just after watching the intermediate All Ireland camogie final and a thought occurs to me,
why don't we have senior intermediate and junior All Irelands in mens senior football?
every county gets a chance to win a National Championship at their own level.
The Sam Maguire is still the blue ribbon everyone has a chance to aspire to.
Championships seeding based on league positions, no more league finals, league position/winners based as it should be on league position when the last league games are played.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3428 - 10/08/2025 16:40:58
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Just after watching the intermediate All Ireland camogie final and a thought occurs to me,
why don't we have senior intermediate and junior All Irelands in mens senior football?
every county gets a chance to win a National Championship at their own level.
The Sam Maguire is still the blue ribbon everyone has a chance to aspire to.
Championships seeding based on league positions, no more league finals, league position/winners based as it should be on league position when the last league games are played." The present 2 tier system hasn't really been accepted so not much hope of a 3 tier one.
Women know how to do things right.
Hurling people know how to do things right
Every County Board in GAA, LGFA, Camogie know how to do things right.
But men's Senior inter County football.......
Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 10/08/2025 16:53:27
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