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Replying To Pikeman96: "This is exactly it. We all know that there are good Minors out there who would be well able to "cut it" at Senior level. But the issue is the sheer number of games and how they'd all have to work around each other.
If we allow Minors to play adult, and keep the championship structures we have, then a lad turning 18 during the Summer would be facing:
- a guaranteed five matches in Minor Hurling championship. Maybe more.
- a guaranteed five matches in Minor Football championship. Maybe more.
- a guaranteed six matches in Adult Hurling championship (assuming he lines out somewhere from Senior down to Junior A). Maybe more.
- a guaranteed five matches in Adult Football championship (again assuming he's somewhere from Senior down to Junior A). Maybe more.
So, 21 matches, all between end of June and about the middle of September - i.e. a span of about 12 or 13 weeks. How long would it be before there'd be calls for change again, for player welfare and protecting against burnout? Particularly if these lads are expected to attend one or two training sessions each week as well?" I do think as a general point that managers should be more relaxed when it comes to insisting on young players taking part in training sessions even if they have Minor/U21/colleges matches during the week
If managers just relaxed a bit, I don't think the workload would be that problematic, it'd just be that younger players are playing more games but taking part in fewer training sessions
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 721 - 27/11/2025 18:07:07
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Pikeman96: "<b>@alwaysasub</b> - I think the current structure is among the best of what can be done when you weigh up all the considerations. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I don't think it's "a joke" (or even "a bit of a joke") either.
Your idea has some merit but it doesn't quite stack up. Think about it, if two groups of six in each division - top four in each group could go to quarter-finals all right. But you say bottom two also into quarters - what quarters? If two go that way from Group A, and two more go from Group B, best you can do is Shield semi-finals, not quarter-finals.
Leaving that aside though, the idea does have some merit. Did you put it in for the Coiste na nOg AGM that's happening next week?
However, on your thing of "a few weeks longer" - bear in mind too that Schools GAA constantly pushes for the Minor club championships to be finished earlier, to avoid a situation of people over a Minor team in a county semi-final or final telling lads not to train or maybe even not play with the school that week. I have a certain opinion on that myself, but that's one for another day.
On a couple of other things:
- On your bit about not agreeing with county Minor players "not being allowed" to play with their clubs before State Exams (i.e. during the county part of the split season) - when are they supposed to do it? Wexford Minor teams were involved in either hurling or football championships this year all the way from end of March to end of May. Footballers started March 30. Hurlers started April 20 and played six weekends in a row. Where would you fit in club matches that the county players could line out in?
- Not sure I'd agree that Junior or even Junior B is any less competitive than Senior or Intermediate. A lower standard all right, but every bit as competitive. A Junior player wants to win every bit as much as a Senior player does."</div>Not sure thats true tbh. Id have friends playing Junior B who would like to win but arent overly bothered if they don't. I know a good few current Senior and Intermediate players, and they are nearly unapproachable if they lose." Same as our teams, if the our second and third team lose, there isnt much about it not like our first team. I was thinking back last night when I was playing minor (think when you were17 you could play then) and also playing adult, we often had two games in a week, minor on a Wednesday and then you'd be playing adult at the weekend and I loved it, all the games. (Also sometimes youd be playing two games on the Sunday one soccer in the mornings). I know things are different now but I wonder what the player affected, the minors think. Would they enjoy more games, being involved in the adult set up?
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 568 - 28/11/2025 10:40:27
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I do think as a general point that managers should be more relaxed when it comes to insisting on young players taking part in training sessions even if they have Minor/U21/colleges matches during the week
If managers just relaxed a bit, I don't think the workload would be that problematic, it'd just be that younger players are playing more games but taking part in fewer training sessions" You have a point, but I can't see it happening. Any manager of a team with genuine ambition is going to want his players at training. So take the example of a good Minor player who's just started 6th Year in school some September, and who's with his club's senior team:
- Senior team in maybe a county quarter-final and with hopes of going on to win the championship. Senior club manager is going to want him at training. Unlikely to settle for "ah sure he's playing Minor anyway, so at least he'll be hurling".
- Minor club team in a county semi-final. Minor manager has probably been happy enough to excuse this lad from Minor training for most of the year to allow him to train with the Seniors instead, but likely to want all of his own squad together for training for a county semi-final and maybe final.
- Colleges championship about to begin and school team manager will want his whole squad together too. Unlikely to settle for "sure most of the lads are playing with their clubs so I don't need to get them together for training and all I have to do instead is hand out jerseys on match day".
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 28/11/2025 11:53:43
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Was in at the U21 Premier final yesterday - tough competitive game with Rathnure only pulling clear in last 10 mins. Simon Roche was immense in the first half and Rathnure adjusted their entire strategy to try curb his influence. At one stage they had only 2 forwards up but stayed in touch through Luke Codd who I think scored 1-12 (after scoring 0-16 in the semi final). Oulart seem to be closing the game out but Rathnure's backs and midfield got on top and 4 long range frees in a row from Luke Codd tipped the game in their favour. Eamonn Furlong was good as a referee - was plenty of tough exchanges but no dirty strokes. Oulart will come of age soon in adult hurling based on this years performance in U16/U18/U21. Rathnure the same - Charlie Mooney / Luke Codd / Conor O Neill / Eamonn Wickham were all excellent yesterday. Ian Reilly who was on Wexford minor team this year is a real gem .. I would find it hard not to see Simon Roche in Rossiters plans for 2026 .. He is a joy to watch .. Jason Rossiter, Bertie Finn, Conor Blake all good performers for Oulart
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 01/12/2025 09:53:26
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Was in at the U21 Premier final yesterday - tough competitive game with Rathnure only pulling clear in last 10 mins. Simon Roche was immense in the first half and Rathnure adjusted their entire strategy to try curb his influence. At one stage they had only 2 forwards up but stayed in touch through Luke Codd who I think scored 1-12 (after scoring 0-16 in the semi final). Oulart seem to be closing the game out but Rathnure's backs and midfield got on top and 4 long range frees in a row from Luke Codd tipped the game in their favour. Eamonn Furlong was good as a referee - was plenty of tough exchanges but no dirty strokes. Oulart will come of age soon in adult hurling based on this years performance in U16/U18/U21. Rathnure the same - Charlie Mooney / Luke Codd / Conor O Neill / Eamonn Wickham were all excellent yesterday. Ian Reilly who was on Wexford minor team this year is a real gem .. I would find it hard not to see Simon Roche in Rossiters plans for 2026 .. He is a joy to watch .. Jason Rossiter, Bertie Finn, Conor Blake all good performers for Oulart" Really enjoyed the game yesterday as a neutral in front of a massive crowd. I agree some excellent players on view. Id expect Luke Codd, Charlie Mooney and Eamon Wickham to join Keith Rossiters panel this year and I agree with you on Simon Roche I actually expect him to start a lot of games for us this coming year.
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Does Mooney have another year of U20? Would be a big boost to that set-up as I don't think he was a part of this year's side
And what age is Luke Codd?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 721 - 01/12/2025 13:52:04
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Was in at the U21 Premier final yesterday - tough competitive game with Rathnure only pulling clear in last 10 mins. Simon Roche was immense in the first half and Rathnure adjusted their entire strategy to try curb his influence. At one stage they had only 2 forwards up but stayed in touch through Luke Codd who I think scored 1-12 (after scoring 0-16 in the semi final). Oulart seem to be closing the game out but Rathnure's backs and midfield got on top and 4 long range frees in a row from Luke Codd tipped the game in their favour. Eamonn Furlong was good as a referee - was plenty of tough exchanges but no dirty strokes. Oulart will come of age soon in adult hurling based on this years performance in U16/U18/U21. Rathnure the same - Charlie Mooney / Luke Codd / Conor O Neill / Eamonn Wickham were all excellent yesterday. Ian Reilly who was on Wexford minor team this year is a real gem .. I would find it hard not to see Simon Roche in Rossiters plans for 2026 .. He is a joy to watch .. Jason Rossiter, Bertie Finn, Conor Blake all good performers for Oulart" Bertie Finn be doing to play well considering he was suspended for the game!
But yeah was a great game between 2 good sides.
Fallout2 (Wexford) - Posts: 14 - 01/12/2025 13:57:05
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Does Mooney have another year of U20? Would be a big boost to that set-up as I don't think he was a part of this year's side
And what age is Luke Codd?" Luke I think is U21 next year - His first year out of minor was 2024, the year Rathnure won intermediate if I'm not mistaken. He struggled with consistency last year but was one of their leading stars in Senior championship this year.
Yes Charlie is an U20 for 2026 - he has two more years U21
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 01/12/2025 14:33:32
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Best of luck to St. Martin's on Saturday. I'd like to see them win that. They're up against some seasoned campaigners, though.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2407 - 01/12/2025 17:06:15
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Are any non-Martins folks going to go on Saturday? half thinking it myself, I know it's pre-ordained but can't understand having the football between a Dublin club and a Kildare club on at an earlier throw in time than the hurling.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 306 - 02/12/2025 11:32:56
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Are any non-Martins folks going to go on Saturday? half thinking it myself, I know it's pre-ordained but can't understand having the football between a Dublin club and a Kildare club on at an earlier throw in time than the hurling." Know a few from our club. Hoping to make it myself but thats dependent on things outside my control....
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I would imagine a good few wexford supporters would go or a least watch it on tv and hope they win (not sure doe), I'm not from the Martins but will go, and watch football to, forecast is showers
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 02/12/2025 16:11:16
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Are any non-Martins folks going to go on Saturday? half thinking it myself, I know it's pre-ordained but can't understand having the football between a Dublin club and a Kildare club on at an earlier throw in time than the hurling." Am guessing the logic is that people would rather watch a hurling match after a football match rather than the other way round
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 721 - 02/12/2025 16:13:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Am guessing the logic is that people would rather watch a hurling match after a football match rather than the other way round" I think it's just a simple case of them alternating which goes first.
Last year, the hurling was first. Year before that, the football was first. Haven't looked back any further so maybe this is just coincidence, but hey, it's as good a theory as any!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 02/12/2025 17:43:16
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Are any non-Martins folks going to go on Saturday? half thinking it myself, I know it's pre-ordained but can't understand having the football between a Dublin club and a Kildare club on at an earlier throw in time than the hurling." I'll be going alright. I think it's only fair they have the support of Wexford hurling people although the attitude of some has surprised me
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4058 - 02/12/2025 18:25:35
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I would definitrly go only i have an outing planned that day can't be postponed raging . When booking i assumed final would be on the Sunday .
I really hope they win it its 50/50 really .
They ve come a long way since the Cuala game in parnell park 2017 i think where they just gave up .
They definitely have matured and are more consistent and professional now . A lot of the lads have come of age.
Few of oulart losses imo were down to not being able to adapt or change to a plan b . The conditions that time of year slowed them and their play down allowing more physical teams to break their momentum and upset the game plan . Ie ball did nt ping along the ground . Short game ,crossfire balls did nt work and when 50/50 high ball went to forwards they got muscled out of it . Saying that they were unlucky too on a couple of occasions.
Always feel they definitely should ve won few more .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 500 - 02/12/2025 21:22:32
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Some interesting figures from Wexford GAAs financial report from a Club perspective
Hurling Gate Receipts up nearly 100% - but i think some of this may be as a result of the county finals in 2024 been after the Sept 30th date for close of 2024 financial year. However would that mean that 2025 county finals were not included?
Football gate receipts well down
But even though there seems to be a perception that our club championship is poor (even in the local media), attendances are well up (or the cost to attend is well up!) .. the fine weather during the summer would be a factor too for people going to games.
The football fraternity within the county should be worried - the gap is getting larger and larger between Football and Hurling. And the Paul Kinnerick report was 100% hurling only. We consider ourselves a 'dual' county but I'd beg to differ now.
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 03/12/2025 09:52:26
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Some interesting figures from Wexford GAAs financial report from a Club perspective
Hurling Gate Receipts up nearly 100% - but i think some of this may be as a result of the county finals in 2024 been after the Sept 30th date for close of 2024 financial year. However would that mean that 2025 county finals were not included?
Football gate receipts well down
But even though there seems to be a perception that our club championship is poor (even in the local media), attendances are well up (or the cost to attend is well up!) .. the fine weather during the summer would be a factor too for people going to games.
The football fraternity within the county should be worried - the gap is getting larger and larger between Football and Hurling. And the Paul Kinnerick report was 100% hurling only. We consider ourselves a 'dual' county but I'd beg to differ now." While the report is focused mostly on hurling nearly all the recommendations would apply to Football also. If not all of them. We will see when the final report is delivered.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17689 - 03/12/2025 11:08:29
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Some interesting figures from Wexford GAAs financial report from a Club perspective
Hurling Gate Receipts up nearly 100% - but i think some of this may be as a result of the county finals in 2024 been after the Sept 30th date for close of 2024 financial year. However would that mean that 2025 county finals were not included?
Football gate receipts well down
But even though there seems to be a perception that our club championship is poor (even in the local media), attendances are well up (or the cost to attend is well up!) .. the fine weather during the summer would be a factor too for people going to games.
The football fraternity within the county should be worried - the gap is getting larger and larger between Football and Hurling. And the Paul Kinnerick report was 100% hurling only. We consider ourselves a 'dual' county but I'd beg to differ now." Being more a football man myself, it is very worrying ,The standard was extremely poor last year, with groups games, semi finals all proving to be poor affairs. Two to three teams realistically have a chance of winning it with a large number of one sided games, even the semi this year were awful. The brand of football employed by some teams, creating 'boring play' even with the new rules also plays into it. Its hardly surprising to see those figures down. Not really sure what the answer is to be honest.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 568 - 03/12/2025 12:06:04
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Just having a look at the financial figures now and what they say for gate receipts 2025:
Football championships - €151,249
Hurling championships - €462,089
That's a massive difference all right. Three times as much for hurling as for football.
Thing is, the gap in the figures for 2024 is nowhere near that large:
Football championships - €179,204
Hurling championships - €232,533
Seems odd. Wouldn't be surprised that football was down a bit or that hurling was up a bit, but am surprised that hurling has basically doubled. Anybody got any theories or explanation?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 03/12/2025 12:57:48
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