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Replying To Pikeman96: " Replying To zinny: "[quote=Pikeman96: "The thing about your comments is that they apply equally whether it's Walsh Cup matches in question, or just practice matches in the absence of the Walsh Cup.
The only difference is that supporters would pay for one of those, but not the other. But that doesn't make any huge difference as regards what they'd say about the team or their performances anyway. Don't know if you've ever been in the Centre of Excellence or similar venue for a practice match, but you'd be surprised at the size of the crowd sometimes. If they see a poor Wexford performance or a heavy Wexford defeat, they won't be going away thinking "well, I'd complain if I'd paid a tenner to see that, but I got to see it for free instead, so I won't say anything."
Fact of the matter is that with National Leagues starting at the end of January, teams <u><b>will</b></u> be playing matches in early January to prepare for them. Whether you put the tag "Walsh Cup" on them, or leave them as practice matches, makes no difference. Matches will be arranged and played anyway.
The discussion here was "should the Walsh Cup be brought back?" and my answer remains "may as well, there'd be matches anyway, so may as well make something of them."
Your answer seems to be "No, not only should the Walsh Cup not be brought back, <u>but there shouldn't be any matches at all at that time of year</u>", and that's getting into different territory altogether."</div>Disagree, the minute you lable these then they take on a whole different significance to a practice match.
The reason for bringing them back is money for the Provincial Councils, if practice matches are the same then just charge for people to attend.
Once these are labled, they are on the radar on how players and managers are being judged. An under pressure manager now faces a game on Jan 4th where there will be 2-3k paying public, local and national media attention. To say that the manager will treat that game and the run up to it the same as a practice match in an open field the same is denying reality.
What that means is that the expectations on players over the Christmas and New Year period are far higher and more of the regulars will be used earlier than what they should be in competitive games." Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think myself there's any huge significant difference in expectations etc. between Walsh Cup and practice matches at that time of year, either in terms of players used or expectations by managers/players/general public. Bit like the All County Leagues here. No club supporter worries too much if their team isn't doing well in them or is giving runs to players who likely won't be there when the more serious stuff comes round. By the way, if you think there's 2,000 to 3,000 people at every Walsh Cup match, you must be at different ones to me. In the last Walsh Cup (2024), we played Carlow in Wexford Park, and Kilkenny in Callan. There wasn't 500 people for the match v Carlow, and less than 1,000 in Callan either. I'd say even the final v Galway (played in Carlow) barely had the sort of numbers you're talking about. And let's not forget the O'Byrne Cup in all of this, where similar arguments would apply. Have you been to one of those in the past few years? You'd be lucky to see 200 spectators at it."]* but we all know there are people out there with unreal Hurling expectations! I agree with Exile, the system needs to be looked at however there are two problems Munster in Hurling and Ulster in Football. If the league is dropped and the Provincial Championships all run on a league basis and then run all Ireland Championships on a fully Tiered basis across both Hurling and Football. The complaint will be that the Provincial Championship has been downgraded because of the time of year its played and the Provincial Councils lose out. There is a risk to revenue in change but neither is the current system sustainable for players
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2109 - 22/10/2025 15:45:16
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Replying To zinny: " Replying To Pikeman96: "The thing about your comments is that they apply equally whether it's Walsh Cup matches in question, or just practice matches in the absence of the Walsh Cup.
The only difference is that supporters would pay for one of those, but not the other. But that doesn't make any huge difference as regards what they'd say about the team or their performances anyway. Don't know if you've ever been in the Centre of Excellence or similar venue for a practice match, but you'd be surprised at the size of the crowd sometimes. If they see a poor Wexford performance or a heavy Wexford defeat, they won't be going away thinking "well, I'd complain if I'd paid a tenner to see that, but I got to see it for free instead, so I won't say anything."
Fact of the matter is that with National Leagues starting at the end of January, teams <u><b>will</b></u> be playing matches in early January to prepare for them. Whether you put the tag "Walsh Cup" on them, or leave them as practice matches, makes no difference. Matches will be arranged and played anyway.
The discussion here was "should the Walsh Cup be brought back?" and my answer remains "may as well, there'd be matches anyway, so may as well make something of them."
Your answer seems to be "No, not only should the Walsh Cup not be brought back, <u>but there shouldn't be any matches at all at that time of year</u>", and that's getting into different territory altogether."</div>Disagree, the minute you lable these then they take on a whole different significance to a practice match.
The reason for bringing them back is money for the Provincial Councils, if practice matches are the same then just charge for people to attend.
Once these are labled, they are on the radar on how players and managers are being judged. An under pressure manager now faces a game on Jan 4th where there will be 2-3k paying public, local and national media attention. To say that the manager will treat that game and the run up to it the same as a practice match in an open field the same is denying reality.
What that means is that the expectations on players over the Christmas and New Year period are far higher and more of the regulars will be used earlier than what they should be in competitive games." The money from the Walsh and Byrne Cup gate receipts always went into the injured player fund. Not sure about 2-3000, unless we are playing Kilkenny in the Park in hurling, or we make a final. Around a 1000 would be more usual. Less for Byrne Cup games. Only a few regulars feature in our Byrne or Walsh Cup teams also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 22/10/2025 15:46:28
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Club hurling thread....
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 914 - 22/10/2025 16:01:42
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Replying To countyman2022: "Club hurling thread...." True
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 22/10/2025 17:56:33
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Replying To countyman2022: "Club hurling thread...." Yup. And somebody told me there are a few club hurling matches coming up at the weekend??? :D
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3173 - 23/10/2025 09:37:08
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yup. And somebody told me there are a few club hurling matches coming up at the weekend??? :D" Some potentially very good ones too!
I'm torn on who I want to win both the top 2 finals. Will probably be pretty much neutral. All 4 teams are teams Ive supported at previous games the last few years. Maybe go with the 2 underdogs in Fethard and Rathnure, although I wouldn't mind seeing Cloughbawn win either, and I think Martins are our best hope of a Wexford club winning a Senior Leinster or AI club title this year, although I could see Rathnure challenging in 2 or 3 years time if they keep all the current panel fully bought in and in the country, and some of the minors develop well.
As regards predictions Ive a feeling that if Rathnure are within a point or 2 coming into the last 10 minutes then they will kick on and win. But I think Martins might be winning by more by then if they bring their A game.
Fethard might shade it, they seem to be getting their best lads back fit and are as usual hitting their best form when it matters.
Ive a feeling Duffry might win Intermediate A, they had a great attitude against us in the QF, and seem like Fethard to be peaking at the right time of year.
I think Rathnure will beat Marshalstown but it will be close, Ballyhogue will beat the Harriers despite looking forward to a Football final next weekend, and Gorey will beat Rathnure at Junior B.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 23/10/2025 11:51:28
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Replying To Viking66: "Some potentially very good ones too!
I'm torn on who I want to win both the top 2 finals. Will probably be pretty much neutral. All 4 teams are teams Ive supported at previous games the last few years. Maybe go with the 2 underdogs in Fethard and Rathnure, although I wouldn't mind seeing Cloughbawn win either, and I think Martins are our best hope of a Wexford club winning a Senior Leinster or AI club title this year, although I could see Rathnure challenging in 2 or 3 years time if they keep all the current panel fully bought in and in the country, and some of the minors develop well.
As regards predictions Ive a feeling that if Rathnure are within a point or 2 coming into the last 10 minutes then they will kick on and win. But I think Martins might be winning by more by then if they bring their A game.
Fethard might shade it, they seem to be getting their best lads back fit and are as usual hitting their best form when it matters.
Ive a feeling Duffry might win Intermediate A, they had a great attitude against us in the QF, and seem like Fethard to be peaking at the right time of year.
I think Rathnure will beat Marshalstown but it will be close, Ballyhogue will beat the Harriers despite looking forward to a Football final next weekend, and Gorey will beat Rathnure at Junior B." Going go Martins, Cloughbawn, D-Town, Rathnure, Harriers & Rathnure.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 914 - 23/10/2025 12:07:47
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Martins to win . Dont think rathnure have come up against a team with the physicality and workrate to match yet and that the martins have and will bring .
They ll try negate Ajs influence cut down on the quality of ball that rathnure have had to date going in to forwards . If living off scraps they ll need goals to stay in the game which they could get with the scoring power they have . Conceding 3 goals in dominant semi final woukd be a worry for martins no matter the reasons . Goals could be their downfall but i think they ll be more tuned in Sunday .
I thought gorey in semi final troubled rathnure but then ran out of legs and went back to long balls after 15 min of both halves . which suited rathnure . Cant see martins leaving that space in half forward line for rarhnure . As well as pushing up hard on the supply to them .
Lookng furward to seeing if skippy can tweak his team and game plan to upset the Martins game . They do sometimes under pressure panic and lose their shape .
Can see martins swapping rory and barry to stretch rarhnures backs and sit on Aj .
Martims by 5 plus but coukd see surprise if rarhure can score goals at critical times to stay in the game and bring it to the wire .
Fethard to beat Clouhbawm by 2pts if they have all players available . Dogged with some serious hurlers .
Wont be much in it though . Cloughbawn aee nt as good as 2 year previous Fethard yiutg and experience to tell with seversl ciunty panelists to booth
Davidstown by 6 plus to beat Duffry very impressed with their semi final win v a fancied monageer . Good to see both contending .
Junior think Rathnure by 5 momentum is massive and will gzve the better stickmen .
Juniir A harrirrs by 4 experience of former seniors to be the difference could be wrong on this though . Not sure how much ballyhogue are putting into hurling .
That will change over next few years though and they will clinb the ranks if they have the appetite for hurling they have the talent coming though still fancy harriers .
Aspell if given supply and space could be the difference though on saturday .
Rathnure to win junior b .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 23/10/2025 13:15:31
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Fethard underdogs again not that will bother them I've a feeling this will be very tight looking forward to this match.
Ryanworld (Wexford) - Posts: 37 - 23/10/2025 20:44:54
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Rathnure to win a tight game by 2pts. No 2 in a row for the Martin's:-)
logger (Wexford) - Posts: 320 - 24/10/2025 07:40:13
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St Annes team of 2000 are been honoured on Sunday - They won intermediate title in 1999 before stunning Oulart in the county senior final in 2000. I remember it as I was on the hill in Croke Park on the same day for the International Rules Ireland V Aus .. not sure how news filtered through in them days
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 24/10/2025 10:27:45
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Martins - if they hurl like they can and don't put a performance like they did in 2018 final against Gorey,
Fethard - hitting form at right time - Cloughbawn stumbling through games....Tubritt, Byrnes, Dwyer, Whalen's be hard stopped
Davidstown - if they turn up, wont be able to repeat their semi final appearance but good performance should see them win
Marshalstown - could go either way but would be good to see a clubs first team win
Ballyhogue - knocking at door for long time, could be a draw !
Gorey - will be a free fest with whos in the middle and gorey to scrape through.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 24/10/2025 10:43:13
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Martins
Fethard
Davidstown
Marshalstown
Harriers
Naomh Eanna
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Replying To MyOhMi: "St Annes team of 2000 are been honoured on Sunday - They won intermediate title in 1999 before stunning Oulart in the county senior final in 2000. I remember it as I was on the hill in Croke Park on the same day for the International Rules Ireland V Aus .. not sure how news filtered through in them days" I remember being in Bellefield myself that day they won it. I remember one of their players getting injured in last minute of injury time, and starting to limp off across the field. Final whistle blew before he reached the sideline, and he started to dance around instead! Can't remember who it was, but not suggesting he was feigning injury....was just the joy that winning a county final brings.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3173 - 24/10/2025 23:46:17
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For reasons outside my control I won't be in wexford Park on Sunday.
Is the game televised on any streaming service.
Can't see any mention of it on the Wexford Gaa website. Anybody know?
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Replying To Magpie2: "For reasons outside my control I won't be in wexford Park on Sunday.
Is the game televised on any streaming service.
Can't see any mention of it on the Wexford Gaa website. Anybody know?" Its on Clubbertv
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 25/10/2025 10:02:06
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Replying To Magpie2: "For reasons outside my control I won't be in wexford Park on Sunday.
Is the game televised on any streaming service.
Can't see any mention of it on the Wexford Gaa website. Anybody know?" So are the Harriers v Ballyhogue, Fethard v Cloughbawn, and Davidstown v Duffry.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 25/10/2025 10:04:20
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Replying To Magpie2: "For reasons outside my control I won't be in wexford Park on Sunday.
Is the game televised on any streaming service.
Can't see any mention of it on the Wexford Gaa website. Anybody know?" So are the Harriers v Ballyhogue, Fethard v Cloughbawn, and Davidstown v Duffry.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17341 - 25/10/2025 10:04:25
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Replying To Viking66: "Its on Clubbertv" Thanks Viking.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 25/10/2025 11:23:38
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Was Fethard winning really that much of a shock? Certainly a better balanced team. Some answer to that crap that went on last year v Bunclody, a dual senior club 12 months later.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 464 - 25/10/2025 18:09:39
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