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Rugby pitches are only 100m long and are of no use for GAA matches…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3750 - 28/04/2025 10:17:56 2604893 Link 0 |
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Rugby pitches are only 100m long and are of no use for GAA matches…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3750 - 28/04/2025 10:21:55 2604896 Link 0 |
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Hurling dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 366 - 28/04/2025 10:40:40 2604903 Link 0 |
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Correct. If they're purpose built for rugby or soccer, they're going to be way too short for any Gaelic Games apart from from some underage matches. It's something that's constantly glossed over in the discussion about shares facilities between the major sporting codes in this country. It only works one way, a GAA pitch being used for rugby or soccer, and even then you'll have massive spaces behind each goal. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2294 - 28/04/2025 11:07:59 2604917 Link 0 |
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Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2268 - 28/04/2025 11:17:38 2604925 Link 0 |
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When the All Ireland series started, counties were represented by their county champions. It then became a representative game (as you see it). Most counties had the county champions appoint the captain and one selector. The other selectors were appointed by the county board. Clubs played all summer and the selectors watched the matches - When the provincial championship started, the selectors picked the team based on club form. All was ok until the 60's when teams started to train together more regularly and then the advent of the intercounty manager in the 1970's really split the county team from the club teams. Once the qualifier system arrived, managers started demanding more and more club players time and club matches were getting constantly cancelled to keep the county manager happy. This ultimately led to the split season. The split season still doesn't work as the competitions aren't set up to finish the season in one season - with the All Ireland Club running into the following year. There is no appetite to go back to representative football, but there is an appetite to have a fixed, workable structure for the intecounty teams. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1335 - 28/04/2025 11:36:34 2604939 Link 0 |
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The condensed season and ticket prices are going to have a detrimental affect on the GAA coffers. Attendances are overall way down on previous years. More and more GAA stadia will be hosting concerts etc, I reckon. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4163 - 28/04/2025 11:39:19 2604941 Link 0 |
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Given the best window away, both promotionally and financially (when people have finished with rugby and soccer and have a few dollars for the GAA) to shoehorn in a championship. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1822 - 28/04/2025 12:39:10 2604974 Link 2 |
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When the All Ireland series started, counties were represented by their county champions. It then became a representative game (as you see it). Most counties had the county champions appoint the captain and one selector. The other selectors were appointed by the county board. Clubs played all summer and the selectors watched the matches - When the provincial championship started, the selectors picked the team based on club form. All was ok until the 60's when teams started to train together more regularly and then the advent of the intercounty manager in the 1970's really split the county team from the club teams. Once the qualifier system arrived, managers started demanding more and more club players time and club matches were getting constantly cancelled to keep the county manager happy. This ultimately led to the split season. The split season still doesn't work as the competitions aren't set up to finish the season in one season - with the All Ireland Club running into the following year. There is no appetite to go back to representative football, but there is an appetite to have a fixed, workable structure for the intecounty teams."]@tirawleybaron It is a representative game though. Otherwise the county players wouldn't play with their club once "called up to the big league". Every match program has the players club named. I think of it as a club player playing with the county. To my mind the split season falls down due to the time taken to play the all Ireland club championships as well as the All Ireland series at intercounty level. When these games are happening nothing else is happening in the game. In July this year only 4 football teams and 4 hurling teams will be still in the championship. That's a big gap in the calendar for all but the 240 squad members of those 8 teams. Likewise - only County Champions go forward to the provincial and all Ireland series. These take months to play through with a small subset of players involved. We want to fit about 8 months of club and 8 months of county games into 12 months. It won't go without some kind of compromise. The split season is a compromise - a better compromise can be reached. I think there's certainly an appetite for that. Move the all Ireland finals at least towards the end of August. We can start the club championships before the all Ireland finals - give a provincial semi final bye to the county champions of all Ireland finalists and we'll have found a way to get an extra month or two of action in the year. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 434 - 28/04/2025 13:53:22 2605008 Link 0 |
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But I wasn't suggesting that Dublin inter-county players couldn't play a club championship match the week before an inter-county match. In fact, the post was based on the assumption that under your system, they would be. It was pointing out how this would lead to the discrepancy where the Tyrone (for example) county squad could continue to train together on those "club weekends" since they wouldn't need those weekends to run their club championship, while the Dublin (or whoever) county squad wouldn't be able to train together because the players would be off with their clubs instead. And that would surely be handing Tyrone an unfair advantage. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2835 - 28/04/2025 14:09:30 2605020 Link 0 |
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Only 9,221 in Clones for the Down v Donegal semi. macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1165 - 28/04/2025 14:30:54 2605033 Link 0 |
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When the All Ireland series started, counties were represented by their county champions. It then became a representative game (as you see it). Most counties had the county champions appoint the captain and one selector. The other selectors were appointed by the county board. Clubs played all summer and the selectors watched the matches - When the provincial championship started, the selectors picked the team based on club form. All was ok until the 60's when teams started to train together more regularly and then the advent of the intercounty manager in the 1970's really split the county team from the club teams. Once the qualifier system arrived, managers started demanding more and more club players time and club matches were getting constantly cancelled to keep the county manager happy. This ultimately led to the split season. The split season still doesn't work as the competitions aren't set up to finish the season in one season - with the All Ireland Club running into the following year. There is no appetite to go back to representative football, but there is an appetite to have a fixed, workable structure for the intecounty teams."]@tirawleybaron It is a representative game though. Otherwise the county players wouldn't play with their club once "called up to the big league". Every match program has the players club named. I think of it as a club player playing with the county. To my mind the split season falls down due to the time taken to play the all Ireland club championships as well as the All Ireland series at intercounty level. When these games are happening nothing else is happening in the game. In July this year only 4 football teams and 4 hurling teams will be still in the championship. That's a big gap in the calendar for all but the 240 squad members of those 8 teams. Likewise - only County Champions go forward to the provincial and all Ireland series. These take months to play through with a small subset of players involved. We want to fit about 8 months of club and 8 months of county games into 12 months. It won't go without some kind of compromise. The split season is a compromise - a better compromise can be reached. I think there's certainly an appetite for that. Move the all Ireland finals at least towards the end of August. We can start the club championships before the all Ireland finals - give a provincial semi final bye to the county champions of all Ireland finalists and we'll have found a way to get an extra month or two of action in the year."]The current logic is Jan - all ireland club championship Feb - Intercounty football & hurling leagues March - Intercounty football & hurling leagues, April - Intercounty provincial football and hurling championship May - intercounty all ireland hurling and football June - intercounty all ireland hurling and football July - Intercounty All Ireland football and provincial hurling finals August - Club Hurling football round robins September - club hurling and football knock out October - county club championships November - inter provincial club championships December - month off. The intercounty football season can be shortened by a grading system. Provincial championships A&B in each province. League groups of 6 teams All ireland graded into 12,12 and 9 That brings down the no of county game to 9s with a max of 15. - Easy to fit into a 20 week window, with a 4 week preseason Next years hurling season will be 6 league and 4/5 championship = 11 min and 15 max - will fit into a 20 week window. Club championships can be reduced to 6 matches max Provincial club is 2/3/4 rounds All ireland club is 2/3 rounds 12 weeks for club hurling and 12 for football You could fix the all Ireland club problem by moving it to the same time as the club championship - if your county champions make the all Ireland series - you give them a bye to the qfinals of your club championship the following year. Using the above logic Jan - preseason Feb - Intercounty football league March - Intercounty football & hurling leagues, April - Intercounty provincial football and hurling league, May - Club championships (county and previous years all ireland) June - intercounty provincial hurling championship July - Intercounty All Ireland football and provincial hurling finals August - intercounty all Ireland football and Hurling September - All Ireland intercounty finals & club knock out championship start October - county club championships November - inter provincial club championships December - month off. The intercounty managers didnt like the previous gap for club activity but again, we changed for the needs of the few over the many. 50% of club players would have their club championship over in May and would be free to travel for June, July & August if they so wished. Instead, the current system prevents them playing for their club if they go to the USA for the summer or prevents them going to the US in the first place. The rugby six nations appears once a year on the same logic - take the players away from the club for 6-7 weeks and then send them back again. The novelty of that competition makes it so popular. Intercounty sport should be executed in the same way tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1335 - 28/04/2025 15:03:07 2605054 Link 0 |
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But I wasn't suggesting that Dublin inter-county players couldn't play a club championship match the week before an inter-county match. In fact, the post was based on the assumption that under your system, they would be. It was pointing out how this would lead to the discrepancy where the Tyrone (for example) county squad could continue to train together on those "club weekends" since they wouldn't need those weekends to run their club championship, while the Dublin (or whoever) county squad wouldn't be able to train together because the players would be off with their clubs instead. And that would surely be handing Tyrone an unfair advantage."]The county manager would think it to be a disadvantage. But would it really be? It's hard to say. We have the split season because of the county manager and the past willingness of counties to grant every postponment request. This never needed to be the case. We could instead have a rule that prevents spurious postponements. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 434 - 28/04/2025 15:34:43 2605071 Link 0 |
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@brianb - I honestly don't see how you can question would it really be a disadvantage for one of the county sides involved. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2835 - 28/04/2025 15:56:03 2605085 Link 0 |
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@tirawleybaron - And yours makes equally little sense to me. You say 50% of club players would be finished with club championships by the end of May as though that would be a good thing. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2835 - 28/04/2025 15:59:31 2605086 Link 0 |
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I suggested alternating weekends rather that months. County A may have more time for video analysis but County B might be more match fit. There would nothing stopping the county team continuing to train together in the early stages of the club championships. I feel it's all about getting a good balance of games. The best months for our games are June, July and August. I'm advocating that we play both club and county games in the best conditions. We can split the season but we can't change the seasons. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 434 - 28/04/2025 23:03:08 2605182 Link 0 |
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Biggest attendances the weekend Cork v Tipperary hurling 42,231 biggest attendance YTD F Armagh v Tyrone 21,288 H Waterford v Clare 12,078 H Offaly v Galway 10,073 F Donegal v Down 9,221 F Louth v Kildare 8,000 H Dublin v wexford 7,734 H Antrim v Kilkenny 4,000 Circa 114,000 at these 8 matchs OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 736 - 28/04/2025 23:12:04 2605185 Link 0 |
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....and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 477 - 29/04/2025 01:15:40 2605202 Link 0 |
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When the All Ireland series started, counties were represented by their county champions. It then became a representative game (as you see it). Most counties had the county champions appoint the captain and one selector. The other selectors were appointed by the county board. Clubs played all summer and the selectors watched the matches - When the provincial championship started, the selectors picked the team based on club form. All was ok until the 60's when teams started to train together more regularly and then the advent of the intercounty manager in the 1970's really split the county team from the club teams. Once the qualifier system arrived, managers started demanding more and more club players time and club matches were getting constantly cancelled to keep the county manager happy. This ultimately led to the split season. The split season still doesn't work as the competitions aren't set up to finish the season in one season - with the All Ireland Club running into the following year. There is no appetite to go back to representative football, but there is an appetite to have a fixed, workable structure for the intecounty teams."]@tirawleybaron It is a representative game though. Otherwise the county players wouldn't play with their club once "called up to the big league". Every match program has the players club named. I think of it as a club player playing with the county. To my mind the split season falls down due to the time taken to play the all Ireland club championships as well as the All Ireland series at intercounty level. When these games are happening nothing else is happening in the game. In July this year only 4 football teams and 4 hurling teams will be still in the championship. That's a big gap in the calendar for all but the 240 squad members of those 8 teams. Likewise - only County Champions go forward to the provincial and all Ireland series. These take months to play through with a small subset of players involved. We want to fit about 8 months of club and 8 months of county games into 12 months. It won't go without some kind of compromise. The split season is a compromise - a better compromise can be reached. I think there's certainly an appetite for that. Move the all Ireland finals at least towards the end of August. We can start the club championships before the all Ireland finals - give a provincial semi final bye to the county champions of all Ireland finalists and we'll have found a way to get an extra month or two of action in the year."]The current logic is Jan - all ireland club championship Feb - Intercounty football & hurling leagues March - Intercounty football & hurling leagues, April - Intercounty provincial football and hurling championship May - intercounty all ireland hurling and football June - intercounty all ireland hurling and football July - Intercounty All Ireland football and provincial hurling finals August - Club Hurling football round robins September - club hurling and football knock out October - county club championships November - inter provincial club championships December - month off. The intercounty football season can be shortened by a grading system. Provincial championships A&B in each province. League groups of 6 teams All ireland graded into 12,12 and 9 That brings down the no of county game to 9s with a max of 15. - Easy to fit into a 20 week window, with a 4 week preseason Next years hurling season will be 6 league and 4/5 championship = 11 min and 15 max - will fit into a 20 week window. Club championships can be reduced to 6 matches max Provincial club is 2/3/4 rounds All ireland club is 2/3 rounds 12 weeks for club hurling and 12 for football You could fix the all Ireland club problem by moving it to the same time as the club championship - if your county champions make the all Ireland series - you give them a bye to the qfinals of your club championship the following year. Using the above logic Jan - preseason Feb - Intercounty football league March - Intercounty football & hurling leagues, April - Intercounty provincial football and hurling league, May - Club championships (county and previous years all ireland) June - intercounty provincial hurling championship July - Intercounty All Ireland football and provincial hurling finals August - intercounty all Ireland football and Hurling September - All Ireland intercounty finals & club knock out championship start October - county club championships November - inter provincial club championships December - month off. The intercounty managers didnt like the previous gap for club activity but again, we changed for the needs of the few over the many. 50% of club players would have their club championship over in May and would be free to travel for June, July & August if they so wished. Instead, the current system prevents them playing for their club if they go to the USA for the summer or prevents them going to the US in the first place. The rugby six nations appears once a year on the same logic - take the players away from the club for 6-7 weeks and then send them back again. The novelty of that competition makes it so popular. Intercounty sport should be executed in the same way"]You still only have 2 and a bit months there for county club championships. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15522 - 29/04/2025 06:28:04 2605218 Link 0 |
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I absolutely hate the current intercounty season as it stands. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1484 - 29/04/2025 08:16:26 2605225 Link 1 |