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Replying To Pikeman96: "Look. There's no doubt that there are a lot of games crammed into a short space of time.
But you can't make more weeks in the year. So the alternative is to have fewer games.
For instance, if we took the nuclear option of going back to straight knock-out championships (for both club & county), there'd be few if any such problems. But I don't think anybody wants that." Most teams woukd have feck all games then.....
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2265 - 24/04/2025 19:57:39
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "There is a simple solution
Jan - off season
Feb - club leagues (Hurling and football), Sigerson & Fitzgibbon cups
March & April - Hurling league, provincial football championships - and club leagues
May & June - Provincial Hurling Championships, Football national leagues and club leagues
July & August - All Ireland Hurling championships, County Club football championships and club hurling leagues
September & October - All Ireland football championships, county Club hurling championships and club football leagues
November - Provincial club championships
December - All Ireland club finals
Each county would then have to keep its Football and hurling championship to 8 weeks so some formats would have to change (max six matches including final)
The football national league would have to fit into 8 weeks so the format would have to change (5-6 matches per county)
The all Ireland club championships format would have to change (UK champions enter Connacht/Munster rather than having an all Ireland q final)" Your July and August, and September and October plans just won't work. There are plenty of top intercounty hurlers who are top club footballers, and vice versa. Just last weekend John Mcgrath shone for Tipps hurlers. He's one of his clubs top Footballers. And they are one of the top Football clubs in Tipp. Most of our intercounty hurlers are playing 1st team Football for their clubs, and most of our intercounty Footballers play 1st team hurling for their clubs also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 24/04/2025 22:22:14
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "There is a simple solution
Jan - off season
Feb - club leagues (Hurling and football), Sigerson & Fitzgibbon cups
March & April - Hurling league, provincial football championships - and club leagues
May & June - Provincial Hurling Championships, Football national leagues and club leagues
July & August - All Ireland Hurling championships, County Club football championships and club hurling leagues
September & October - All Ireland football championships, county Club hurling championships and club football leagues
November - Provincial club championships
December - All Ireland club finals
Each county would then have to keep its Football and hurling championship to 8 weeks so some formats would have to change (max six matches including final)
The football national league would have to fit into 8 weeks so the format would have to change (5-6 matches per county)
The all Ireland club championships format would have to change (UK champions enter Connacht/Munster rather than having an all Ireland q final)" As Viking points out, absolutely no allowance for the dual club player. A typical "solution" from somebody from a county where there's shamefully little put into one of the codes.
Say Wexford senior hurlers were involved in the All-Ireland series in July & August. More than 90% of our senior hurling panel are important football players with their clubs too, but you'd want their clubs to play our county football championships without the services of these players.
And likewise, say our county footballers were in the latter stages of the Tailteann Cup in September & October. Just about all of them play hurling with their clubs too, but you'd force their clubs to play county championship without them.
"Simple solution"???? Anything but!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2834 - 25/04/2025 11:40:59
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To tirawleybaron: "There is a simple solution
Jan - off season
Feb - club leagues (Hurling and football), Sigerson & Fitzgibbon cups
March & April - Hurling league, provincial football championships - and club leagues
May & June - Provincial Hurling Championships, Football national leagues and club leagues
July & August - All Ireland Hurling championships, County Club football championships and club hurling leagues
September & October - All Ireland football championships, county Club hurling championships and club football leagues
November - Provincial club championships
December - All Ireland club finals
Each county would then have to keep its Football and hurling championship to 8 weeks so some formats would have to change (max six matches including final)
The football national league would have to fit into 8 weeks so the format would have to change (5-6 matches per county)
The all Ireland club championships format would have to change (UK champions enter Connacht/Munster rather than having an all Ireland q final)" Your July and August, and September and October plans just won't work. There are plenty of top intercounty hurlers who are top club footballers, and vice versa. Just last weekend John Mcgrath shone for Tipps hurlers. He's one of his clubs top Footballers. And they are one of the top Football clubs in Tipp. Most of our intercounty hurlers are playing 1st team Football for their clubs, and most of our intercounty Footballers play 1st team hurling for their clubs also."
You want Wexford clubs championships for 26 weeks of the year and try to shove intercounty hurling & football, plus provincial club, all ireland club, sigerson and fitzgibbon into the other 26.
If you were a GAA coach you'd have a good young lad play U17, U20 and Senior in hurling and football, club and county,
At the end of the day, the gaa calender shouldnt be arranged to suit 40 odd players in each county.
Basically the entire GAA community of 500,000 player, coaches, refs and supporters shouldnt have to arrange themselves to suit 1600 intercounty players.
If a county player has to miss the odd club match - so be it. Life can be tough.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1331 - 25/04/2025 12:00:55
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Good man Baron. You're some yoke to miss the point.
"If a county player has to miss the odd club match - so be it. Life can be tough." - Really????
This not about how your system would be tough on a county player having to miss "the odd" club match. It's about how it would be absolutely unfair on clubs in general.
Just one example here in Wexford is Shelmaliers - our senior football champions in 2021 & 2023, runners-up in 2022, surprisingly knocked-out in the quarter-finals last year, and who'll be serious contenders again this year.
Simon Donohoe and Conor Hearne of our county senior hurling team are important footballers for Shels, but you'd make the club play our Senior Football Championship without them.
Life would indeed be tough, but not just on the players. It would be tough on the entire club, and also every other club supplying one or more players to the county hurling squad.
Open your mind up a bit, and think before you type.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2834 - 25/04/2025 13:15:41
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Replying To tirawleybaron: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "There is a simple solution
Jan - off season
Feb - club leagues (Hurling and football), Sigerson & Fitzgibbon cups
March & April - Hurling league, provincial football championships - and club leagues
May & June - Provincial Hurling Championships, Football national leagues and club leagues
July & August - All Ireland Hurling championships, County Club football championships and club hurling leagues
September & October - All Ireland football championships, county Club hurling championships and club football leagues
November - Provincial club championships
December - All Ireland club finals
Each county would then have to keep its Football and hurling championship to 8 weeks so some formats would have to change (max six matches including final)
The football national league would have to fit into 8 weeks so the format would have to change (5-6 matches per county)
The all Ireland club championships format would have to change (UK champions enter Connacht/Munster rather than having an all Ireland q final)" Your July and August, and September and October plans just won't work. There are plenty of top intercounty hurlers who are top club footballers, and vice versa. Just last weekend John Mcgrath shone for Tipps hurlers. He's one of his clubs top Footballers. And they are one of the top Football clubs in Tipp. Most of our intercounty hurlers are playing 1st team Football for their clubs, and most of our intercounty Footballers play 1st team hurling for their clubs also."
You want Wexford clubs championships for 26 weeks of the year and try to shove intercounty hurling & football, plus provincial club, all ireland club, sigerson and fitzgibbon into the other 26.
If you were a GAA coach you'd have a good young lad play U17, U20 and Senior in hurling and football, club and county,
At the end of the day, the gaa calender shouldnt be arranged to suit 40 odd players in each county.
Basically the entire GAA community of 500,000 player, coaches, refs and supporters shouldnt have to arrange themselves to suit 1600 intercounty players.
If a county player has to miss the odd club match - so be it. Life can be tough."]sometimes its so hard to believe lads like u REALLY exist
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2964 - 25/04/2025 14:24:42
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Look. There's no doubt that there are a lot of games crammed into a short space of time.
But you can't make more weeks in the year. So the alternative is to have fewer games.
For instance, if we took the nuclear option of going back to straight knock-out championships (for both club & county), there'd be few if any such problems. But I don't think anybody wants that." You're right nobody wants a straight knock out - but you can get more time and space for the championships if we drop the split season.
The solution should be a master fixtures list. That way both the Club and County season could be uncompressed.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 432 - 25/04/2025 18:02:06
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Attendances are down because interest in gaelic football is dwindling.
In a big way.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8741 - 25/04/2025 18:42:12
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Replying To brianb: "You're right nobody wants a straight knock out - but you can get more time and space for the championships if we drop the split season.
The solution should be a master fixtures list. That way both the Club and County season could be uncompressed." The split season is a form of master fixtures list:
- inter-county leagues & championship up to sometime in June for most counties, and into July for some. Option to run secondary club competitions without county players during this time.
- club championships after the county teams' campaigns come to an end.
A more detailed master fixtures list with designated club weeks interspersed with designated county weeks throughout the year will never be feasible so long as every county runs different versions of club leagues and championships, with varying emphasis on the two codes, and with different structures.
Tyrone, for example, need only four rounds of matches in their hurling championship and four rounds in their football. Dublin need seven rounds in hurling championship and eight rounds in football. We in Wexford have nine rounds of hurling and eight in football.
Basically, what suits one county won't suit another.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2834 - 25/04/2025 20:27:45
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Replying To realdub: "Attendances are down because interest in gaelic football is dwindling.
In a big way." In Dublin maybe as ye were spoilt rotten.
Back when Leinster titles were cherished, you'd get 80k for provincial deciders.
Biggest reason attendances will be down elsewhere is frequency of matches and lack of knockout meaning costs are harder to bear for fans
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 306 - 25/04/2025 20:54:18
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Replying To Pikeman96: "The split season is a form of master fixtures list:
- inter-county leagues & championship up to sometime in June for most counties, and into July for some. Option to run secondary club competitions without county players during this time.
- club championships after the county teams' campaigns come to an end.
A more detailed master fixtures list with designated club weeks interspersed with designated county weeks throughout the year will never be feasible so long as every county runs different versions of club leagues and championships, with varying emphasis on the two codes, and with different structures.
Tyrone, for example, need only four rounds of matches in their hurling championship and four rounds in their football. Dublin need seven rounds in hurling championship and eight rounds in football. We in Wexford have nine rounds of hurling and eight in football.
Basically, what suits one county won't suit another." The fixtures list wouldn't need to be overly prescriptive. It would need lay out when games are on.
4 weekends could be taken in August and September to extend the intercounty season. These would be for all Ireland finals and semi finals. On the flip side this would free up four weekends in June and July for club championships to start.
Counties wouldn't have to start their championship in June - Tyrone might choose not to but Wexford would have to in order to keep 8 or 9 rounds.
There would be certainly of fixtures for all - the master fixtures would be agreed centrally with each county needing to define their fixtures at the start of the year.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 432 - 25/04/2025 22:08:29
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Replying To realdub: "Attendances are down because interest in gaelic football is dwindling.
In a big way." I agree with you 100% realdub and the new rules have made things even worse… People are not buying into this nonsense which has turned Gaelic football into something completely alien to what the game should and always has been… Shame on the FRC for what they have done…. Our national game no longer matters or exists
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@brianb - But that would lead to discrepancies and unfairness in how the "club weeks" are used in different counties.
Say Tyrone are to play Dublin in an All-Ireland Football semi-final in August.
Tyrone wouldn't need to use the "club weeks" in July for their club championship. They could continue to run their Club League, without the inter-county players involved, such that the county squad could continue to train 100% together in preparation for their semi-final.
Dublin, on the other hand, would need those "club weeks" for their club championship. Their county squad wouldn't be able to train together at all.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2834 - 26/04/2025 09:44:46
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Replying To tirawleybaron: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=tirawleybaron: "There is a simple solution
Jan - off season
Feb - club leagues (Hurling and football), Sigerson & Fitzgibbon cups
March & April - Hurling league, provincial football championships - and club leagues
May & June - Provincial Hurling Championships, Football national leagues and club leagues
July & August - All Ireland Hurling championships, County Club football championships and club hurling leagues
September & October - All Ireland football championships, county Club hurling championships and club football leagues
November - Provincial club championships
December - All Ireland club finals
Each county would then have to keep its Football and hurling championship to 8 weeks so some formats would have to change (max six matches including final)
The football national league would have to fit into 8 weeks so the format would have to change (5-6 matches per county)
The all Ireland club championships format would have to change (UK champions enter Connacht/Munster rather than having an all Ireland q final)" Your July and August, and September and October plans just won't work. There are plenty of top intercounty hurlers who are top club footballers, and vice versa. Just last weekend John Mcgrath shone for Tipps hurlers. He's one of his clubs top Footballers. And they are one of the top Football clubs in Tipp. Most of our intercounty hurlers are playing 1st team Football for their clubs, and most of our intercounty Footballers play 1st team hurling for their clubs also."
You want Wexford clubs championships for 26 weeks of the year and try to shove intercounty hurling & football, plus provincial club, all ireland club, sigerson and fitzgibbon into the other 26.
If you were a GAA coach you'd have a good young lad play U17, U20 and Senior in hurling and football, club and county,
At the end of the day, the gaa calender shouldnt be arranged to suit 40 odd players in each county.
Basically the entire GAA community of 500,000 player, coaches, refs and supporters shouldnt have to arrange themselves to suit 1600 intercounty players.
If a county player has to miss the odd club match - so be it. Life can be tough."]I lived in Belfast and Coalisland for 7 years, I had ample opportunity to vote DUP had I wanted to.
As you say, clubs and club players shouldn't have club championships diluted to suit the needs of a few hundred intercounty players. Why do you think I was taking issue with your plan in the 1st place?
Bottom line is there are too many intercounty fixtures as it is. Your proposal is similar to the set up we had which led to the formation of the CPA.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15509 - 26/04/2025 09:52:53
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Replying To realdub: "Attendances are down because interest in gaelic football is dwindling.
In a big way." That might be the case in Provinces other than Ulster? The Ulster Championship is magnificent. Another brilliant match today. The standard is very high and the new rules have improved it immensely.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 26/04/2025 18:34:31
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Replying To Scenicparish: "That might be the case in Provinces other than Ulster? The Ulster Championship is magnificent. Another brilliant match today. The standard is very high and the new rules have improved it immensely." Good game, I honestly thought the crowd would be bigger.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8741 - 26/04/2025 18:40:35
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Replying To shaggykev: "In Dublin maybe as ye were spoilt rotten.
Back when Leinster titles were cherished, you'd get 80k for provincial deciders.
Biggest reason attendances will be down elsewhere is frequency of matches and lack of knockout meaning costs are harder to bear for fans" Not just in Dublin. I see paltry crowds all around the country so far.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8741 - 26/04/2025 18:42:53
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Replying To realdub: "Not just in Dublin. I see paltry crowds all around the country so far." Think Dubs, Cork and Kerry are the biggest worst offenders considering size of support at the moment. Noticeable drop in Mayo fans last few seasons too.
Still a poor attendance in Portlaoise so until Dubs can start filling Portlaoise and Tullamore, they shouldn't be let near Croke Park again.
Maybe Dublin would be better ground sharing with Leinster rugby when RDS is finished upgrade or increase Parnell Park to 18-20k.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 306 - 27/04/2025 20:04:42
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Replying To shaggykev: "Think Dubs, Cork and Kerry are the biggest worst offenders considering size of support at the moment. Noticeable drop in Mayo fans last few seasons too.
Still a poor attendance in Portlaoise so until Dubs can start filling Portlaoise and Tullamore, they shouldn't be let near Croke Park again.
Maybe Dublin would be better ground sharing with Leinster rugby when RDS is finished upgrade or increase Parnell Park to 18-20k." The RDS pitch is way too short to host GAA matches, so that's a non-runner. It wouldn't even long enough to have the 65 at half-way.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2289 - 27/04/2025 21:29:45
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@brianb - But that would lead to discrepancies and unfairness in how the "club weeks" are used in different counties.
Say Tyrone are to play Dublin in an All-Ireland Football semi-final in August.
Tyrone wouldn't need to use the "club weeks" in July for their club championship. They could continue to run their Club League, without the inter-county players involved, such that the county squad could continue to train 100% together in preparation for their semi-final.
Dublin, on the other hand, would need those "club weeks" for their club championship. Their county squad wouldn't be able to train together at all." That's the exact trade off to decide on.
What's stopping a Dublin player playing a club game the weekend before a county game? The usual argument is a player might get injured - the same player could get injured in training. It might even help a county management team seeing players in competitive action.
Instead we've traded summer football for the split season. I don't think that's a better trade off.
I see Inter county games as representative games rather than a separate team game. Build the rules around that as a sentiment rather that almost treating them as separate sports.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 432 - 28/04/2025 09:44:26
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