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Replying To legendzxix: "If the leap is taken from standalone provincial finals to standalone provincial championships, any agreeable promotion/relegation structure is possible. There has to realism about expected crowds etc. They'll have to get the splits right!" Those Provincial championships aren't standalone.
Provincial champions enter the All Ireland, Provincial finalists get a playoff to qualify.
I'd argue that there are more rather than less relevant Provincial championship games given that the finals are now more relevant again.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4545 - 23/05/2025 15:21:37
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Replying To Whammo86: "Those Provincial championships aren't standalone.
Provincial champions enter the All Ireland, Provincial finalists get a playoff to qualify.
I'd argue that there are more rather than less relevant Provincial championship games given that the finals are now more relevant again." Hmmm. Not sure what point you are trying to make there?
The 2026 provincial finalists will all be seeded the same regardless of winning or losing. The finals themselves will essentially be standalone fixtures. All about the glory of winning on the day without any All Ireland benefit, reward or favourable seeding advantage.
Early round matches like DERRY v Donegal, MONAGHAN v Donegal, CAVAN v Tyrone, TYRONE v Armagh, ROSCOMMON v Galway, CORK v Kerry and DUBLIN v Meath will still have no impact on All Ireland qualification.
Between standalone provincial finals and so many "top games" with no All Ireland qualification relevance, the provincial link to the All Ireland is already weakened.
If the next interation of championship changes were to separate the provincials from the All Ireland, it doesn't seem such a drastic change. If the provincials are such sacred cows, they'll stand on their own feet not a bother. They are not far from that already.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8858 - 23/05/2025 22:19:24
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Replying To Whammo86: "Sorry I'd think the championship should be 2 groups of 8 rather than 4 groups of 4 and that's determining playoff placement.
Only 4 teams would be guaranteed a spot because a Provincial champion coming from outside the top 16 would need 2 teams playing off." The 2026 championship is not far away from separating provincials from the All Ireland. If they take that final step, I think provincial councils will still want their championships after the league. That can be achieved as a compromise with the divisions run in 2 groups of 4, as was done out of necessity in 2021 but simply have group winners into league finals.
After separate provincial championships as normal you can have your 2 groups of 8 All Ireland. For the group stage to be competitive, when you slice and dice it, group winners direct to All Ireland semi finals and 2nd & 3rd into quarter finals seems the most competitive approach.
Discussions then around the Tailteann. Similar format to the All Ireland or else a single tier of 8 with another tier of 8 as well. Whatever is agreeable really and provides fair, balanced & competitive competition. 2 tiers of 8 could possibly go with top 4 into semi finals and home advantage for the top 2.
If the Tailteann as 2 groups of 8 is agreeable - 2 All Ireland quarter finals and 2 Tailteann quarter finals could be double headers. Semi final double headers as well. The Tailteann final paired with the All Ireland Junior final could be the day before the All Ireland final. Options, options!!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8858 - 24/05/2025 07:27:07
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Replying To legendzxix: "Hmmm. Not sure what point you are trying to make there?
The 2026 provincial finalists will all be seeded the same regardless of winning or losing. The finals themselves will essentially be standalone fixtures. All about the glory of winning on the day without any All Ireland benefit, reward or favourable seeding advantage.
Early round matches like DERRY v Donegal, MONAGHAN v Donegal, CAVAN v Tyrone, TYRONE v Armagh, ROSCOMMON v Galway, CORK v Kerry and DUBLIN v Meath will still have no impact on All Ireland qualification.
Between standalone provincial finals and so many "top games" with no All Ireland qualification relevance, the provincial link to the All Ireland is already weakened.
If the next interation of championship changes were to separate the provincials from the All Ireland, it doesn't seem such a drastic change. If the provincials are such sacred cows, they'll stand on their own feet not a bother. They are not far from that already." In the 2026 system Provincial semi finals will be Sam qualifiers for those teams below 4th in Division 2 of the NFL.
Problem is 3 teams get a bye to those games- 1 in Connacht, 2 in Munster. In the latter you can have Waterford v Limerick for a place in Sam, while Fermanagh or Antrim could have to beat Donegal, Armagh or Tyrone to get to a Semi.
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "In the 2026 system Provincial semi finals will be Sam qualifiers for those teams below 4th in Division 2 of the NFL.
Problem is 3 teams get a bye to those games- 1 in Connacht, 2 in Munster. In the latter you can have Waterford v Limerick for a place in Sam, while Fermanagh or Antrim could have to beat Donegal, Armagh or Tyrone to get to a Semi." Kildare v Westmeath and Louth v Kildare were the only true All Ireland qualifier clashes this year. Tipperary and Leitrim realistically had long accepted they were Tailteann bound after the league.
2025 provincial semi finals:
Armagh v Tyrone - both already qualified.
Donegal v Down - both already qualified. Down deservedly so after winning the Tailteann Cup.
Meath v Dublin - both already qualified.
Louth v Kildare - proper knockout championship!
Kerry v Cork - both already qualified.
Clare v Tipperary - knockout championship but a lame duck.
Galway v Roscommon - both already qualified.
Mayo v Leitrim - Mayo already qualified and Leitrim were in search of an unlikely giant killing performance.
A lot of the "top clashes" were already a done deal. All Ireland qualification was irrelevant. It shouldn't be such a drastic step to remove the small link remaining. The majority of "top clashes" are getting by for the glory on the day. The 2026 provincial finals will all be about the glory on the day as well.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8858 - 24/05/2025 11:37:41
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Replying To legendzxix: "The 2026 championship is not far away from separating provincials from the All Ireland. If they take that final step, I think provincial councils will still want their championships after the league. That can be achieved as a compromise with the divisions run in 2 groups of 4, as was done out of necessity in 2021 but simply have group winners into league finals.
After separate provincial championships as normal you can have your 2 groups of 8 All Ireland. For the group stage to be competitive, when you slice and dice it, group winners direct to All Ireland semi finals and 2nd & 3rd into quarter finals seems the most competitive approach.
Discussions then around the Tailteann. Similar format to the All Ireland or else a single tier of 8 with another tier of 8 as well. Whatever is agreeable really and provides fair, balanced & competitive competition. 2 tiers of 8 could possibly go with top 4 into semi finals and home advantage for the top 2.
If the Tailteann as 2 groups of 8 is agreeable - 2 All Ireland quarter finals and 2 Tailteann quarter finals could be double headers. Semi final double headers as well. The Tailteann final paired with the All Ireland Junior final could be the day before the All Ireland final. Options, options!!" That sort of season would make a lot of sense to me.
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Replying To Whammo86: "That sort of season would make a lot of sense to me." Agree
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Looking at league qualifiers turning over provincial finalists, should nearly bring back the qualifiers for elimination danger and spice.
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 1
Offaly v Wexford
Kildare v Antrim
Westmeath v Leitrim
Fermanagh v Wicklow
Sligo v Carlow
Laois v Tipperary
Limerick v Longford
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 2
Dublin v Offaly
Monaghan v Kildare
Roscommon v Westmeath
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Derry v Sligo
Cavan v Laois
Cork v Limerick
I've left out the bottom 2 from Division 4. No relegation danger in that division for obvious reasons so can have missing out on the qualifiers instead.
Q1 can be the same weekend as the Leinster and Ulster finals. Q2 can be the weekend after the Leinster and Ulster finals. Eight All Ireland Round 1 games then on the next weekend.
Retaining the Tailteann Cup up for discussion. I think it can be retained as a straight knockout, including 7th and 8th from Division 4. Whatever is agreeable really like.
Knockout qualifiers to double elimination is a bit messy. Possibly a group stage is more appropriate. UEFA have it that clubs go from qualifiers to group stage. Losing out in Tier 1 qualifiers can result in joining the Tier 2 group stage.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8858 - 25/05/2025 07:13:19
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Replying To legendzxix: "Looking at league qualifiers turning over provincial finalists, should nearly bring back the qualifiers for elimination danger and spice.
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 1
Offaly v Wexford
Kildare v Antrim
Westmeath v Leitrim
Fermanagh v Wicklow
Sligo v Carlow
Laois v Tipperary
Limerick v Longford
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 2
Dublin v Offaly
Monaghan v Kildare
Roscommon v Westmeath
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Derry v Sligo
Cavan v Laois
Cork v Limerick
I've left out the bottom 2 from Division 4. No relegation danger in that division for obvious reasons so can have missing out on the qualifiers instead.
Q1 can be the same weekend as the Leinster and Ulster finals. Q2 can be the weekend after the Leinster and Ulster finals. Eight All Ireland Round 1 games then on the next weekend.
Retaining the Tailteann Cup up for discussion. I think it can be retained as a straight knockout, including 7th and 8th from Division 4. Whatever is agreeable really like.
Knockout qualifiers to double elimination is a bit messy. Possibly a group stage is more appropriate. UEFA have it that clubs go from qualifiers to group stage. Losing out in Tier 1 qualifiers can result in joining the Tier 2 group stage." @legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8842 - 25/05/2025
In my AILC, I also dropped the weakest teams (29-32) to ensure they strive to get into my Tier 3 AIC.
UEFA CL no longer has "groups", but I understand your point.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Looking at league qualifiers turning over provincial finalists, should nearly bring back the qualifiers for elimination danger and spice.
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 1
Offaly v Wexford
Kildare v Antrim
Westmeath v Leitrim
Fermanagh v Wicklow
Sligo v Carlow
Laois v Tipperary
Limerick v Longford
ALL IRELAND QUALIFIER ROUND 2
Dublin v Offaly
Monaghan v Kildare
Roscommon v Westmeath
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Derry v Sligo
Cavan v Laois
Cork v Limerick
I've left out the bottom 2 from Division 4. No relegation danger in that division for obvious reasons so can have missing out on the qualifiers instead.
Q1 can be the same weekend as the Leinster and Ulster finals. Q2 can be the weekend after the Leinster and Ulster finals. Eight All Ireland Round 1 games then on the next weekend.
Retaining the Tailteann Cup up for discussion. I think it can be retained as a straight knockout, including 7th and 8th from Division 4. Whatever is agreeable really like.
Knockout qualifiers to double elimination is a bit messy. Possibly a group stage is more appropriate. UEFA have it that clubs go from qualifiers to group stage. Losing out in Tier 1 qualifiers can result in joining the Tier 2 group stage." @legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8842 - 25/05/2025
I think if there was that Qualifier Rd between Sam & Tailteann, most people would not complain.
Say, Prov Champs 4 + league 4 to Sam;
Prov Final losers 4 + league 12 to Playoff Rd;
Bottom league 8 to Tailteann.
Prov Final 8 replaced by other league teams, as necessary.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3261 - 25/05/2025 17:39:52
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I'm actually warming to this 3 from 4.
Biggest issue right now is teams beaten early in provincials have an advantage over provincial finalists in prep and rest time, but biggest joke is this weekend when some sides have 2 weeks to prep for specific team and others only have 1 week. That alone is not fair.
However next years change removes the guarantee of 1 home match for each team.
I'd stick with current format but with two amendments.
Minimum two week rest for each team between games and provincial champions get two home games ie last match no longer neutral. Need to add back in more incentive to win provinces in current format.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 26/05/2025 12:48:39
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Replying To shaggykev: "I'm actually warming to this 3 from 4.
Biggest issue right now is teams beaten early in provincials have an advantage over provincial finalists in prep and rest time, but biggest joke is this weekend when some sides have 2 weeks to prep for specific team and others only have 1 week. That alone is not fair.
However next years change removes the guarantee of 1 home match for each team.
I'd stick with current format but with two amendments.
Minimum two week rest for each team between games and provincial champions get two home games ie last match no longer neutral. Need to add back in more incentive to win provinces in current format." Do you not find the whole season low intensity though.
There's a lot of shadow boxing before any real action commences.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4545 - 26/05/2025 13:26:58
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The group stages can be fixed by making sure the losers of the first weekend play each other on the 2nd weekend. That way, everyone will still be in the running on the last day with just 2 to get out of the group. This was Tomas O Se's proposal last year.
I wouldn't be in favor of giving provincial winners any more leg ups - All that does is give Kerry (and Dublin) an easier time of it for winning a handy provincial championship.
There are three timing issues to be fixed currently
1. Extra week between league final and 1st round of provincial championships
2. Extra week between provincial finals (Leinster and Ulster) and start of group stages
3. Week off for everyone before q finals
No 1 would have to be fixed by shortening the league (groups of 6 rather than groups of 8)
No 2 would be fixed by seeding Leinster and Ulster - prelim round starts weekend after league final - league finalists are exempt from prelim round.
No 3 is fixed by removing prelim q finals by reducing the group qualifiers to 2 per group.
The provincial winners can then be rewarded by
(a) seeded as 1 in every group
(b) home match to start v 4th seed
The groups would then be seeded so
1v4 and 2v3 play on first weekend (1 and 2 at home)
then 1v2 and 3v4 in 2nd weekend (neutral) - assuming first round goes with seeding
then 1v3 and 2v4 in 3rd weekend (3 and 4 at home)
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1412 - 26/05/2025 14:50:22
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Replying To shaggykev: "I'm actually warming to this 3 from 4.
Biggest issue right now is teams beaten early in provincials have an advantage over provincial finalists in prep and rest time, but biggest joke is this weekend when some sides have 2 weeks to prep for specific team and others only have 1 week. That alone is not fair.
However next years change removes the guarantee of 1 home match for each team.
I'd stick with current format but with two amendments.
Minimum two week rest for each team between games and provincial champions get two home games ie last match no longer neutral. Need to add back in more incentive to win provinces in current format." I think to incorporate more rest weeks there would need to be a look at reviewing the split season.
I'd be thinking could there be club weekends ear marked during the league and provincial series.
Could the league and Provincial series be played in parallel?
Could the All Ireland final be pushed back but there still be more time overall carved out for clubs.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4545 - 26/05/2025 14:54:10
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "The group stages can be fixed by making sure the losers of the first weekend play each other on the 2nd weekend. That way, everyone will still be in the running on the last day with just 2 to get out of the group. This was Tomas O Se's proposal last year.
I wouldn't be in favor of giving provincial winners any more leg ups - All that does is give Kerry (and Dublin) an easier time of it for winning a handy provincial championship.
There are three timing issues to be fixed currently
1. Extra week between league final and 1st round of provincial championships
2. Extra week between provincial finals (Leinster and Ulster) and start of group stages
3. Week off for everyone before q finals
No 1 would have to be fixed by shortening the league (groups of 6 rather than groups of 8)
No 2 would be fixed by seeding Leinster and Ulster - prelim round starts weekend after league final - league finalists are exempt from prelim round.
No 3 is fixed by removing prelim q finals by reducing the group qualifiers to 2 per group.
The provincial winners can then be rewarded by
(a) seeded as 1 in every group
(b) home match to start v 4th seed
The groups would then be seeded so
1v4 and 2v3 play on first weekend (1 and 2 at home)
then 1v2 and 3v4 in 2nd weekend (neutral) - assuming first round goes with seeding
then 1v3 and 2v4 in 3rd weekend (3 and 4 at home)" Those are good proposals.
Alternatively though I do think that league and Provincials could be played in parallel and that club break weeks could be incorporated in that part of the season.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4545 - 26/05/2025 16:27:18
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Replying To shaggykev: "I'm actually warming to this 3 from 4.
Biggest issue right now is teams beaten early in provincials have an advantage over provincial finalists in prep and rest time, but biggest joke is this weekend when some sides have 2 weeks to prep for specific team and others only have 1 week. That alone is not fair.
However next years change removes the guarantee of 1 home match for each team.
I'd stick with current format but with two amendments.
Minimum two week rest for each team between games and provincial champions get two home games ie last match no longer neutral. Need to add back in more incentive to win provinces in current format." I have always been a supporter of the present system, with the 4x4 and 3 going through. Only 2 dead rubbers in 2 years. I think both involved Clare. The elephant in the room is the Provincials. Firstly the imbalance between the provinces. Galway or Kerry's route to Provincial success versus Donegal's. The 2 seed from Ulster is much harder got than from any other province. With your plan and I am not wanting to be too critical of it but this year it would mean Armagh playing Dublin and Galway both away after making it to an Ulster final. I suppose it could be arranged that the 1 seed could play the 4 seed on the final week. What I cant understand is why the First Round could not have all been played on the same weekend, leaving it more of a level playing field going into the Second Round. I would like to see a break between Round 1 and 2, again between 2 and 3. None between 3 and preliminary quarter finals, or between them and quarter finals which will emphasise the importance of topping the groups. Would only seeding the winners, devalue the provincial championships? With the hurling strength in Munster, their football championship will always be an outlier except for the years that Cork can compete. One thong for sure the proposals for next year are a disaster.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 560 - 26/05/2025 18:01:02
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Replying To shaggykev: "I'm actually warming to this 3 from 4.
Biggest issue right now is teams beaten early in provincials have an advantage over provincial finalists in prep and rest time, but biggest joke is this weekend when some sides have 2 weeks to prep for specific team and others only have 1 week. That alone is not fair.
However next years change removes the guarantee of 1 home match for each team.
I'd stick with current format but with two amendments.
Minimum two week rest for each team between games and provincial champions get two home games ie last match no longer neutral. Need to add back in more incentive to win provinces in current format." You'd see me giving off is the punishment of only one week for ulster and leinster finalists and two weeks for connacht and munster. It's worse than a joke on the fairness stakes. If they couldn't find two weeks then all teams should played over the last weekend.
Another way I was thinking to stop giving advantages to knocked our teams and to eliminate the the up to nearly two month break is to have two groups for the teams that lose before the provincial finals and let them start the group on the weekend of the leinster and ulster provincials.
The winners of the provinces play the runners up of another province and the winners of that get through to the all ireland quarters.
The losers of that match get a second chance against the top two teams of each group and winners of that match go through to the quarters.
It means a game or two less for the provincial winners so you get time to celebrate for a few days without fretting about all ireland. It makes it harder for teams that don't do well in their province but also reduces the down time for teams like derry.
This is of course unless decouple the provincials altogether but why would you do that after the success of this year.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 839 - 26/05/2025 18:21:05
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The current format requires 7 rounds between 3 group games, Pre-QF, QF, SF and final. The new format will require 6 rounds between 1, 2A & 2B, 3, QF, SF and final.
In a split season where a weekend off is needed after league finals - the new format of 6 rounds should help with that.
If this year's fixtures happened to be Round 1 in next year's format, Rounds 2A and 2B could be as follows:
ROUND 2A (Home advantage by luck of the draw.)
Kerry v Meath
Dublin v Armagh
Monaghan v Down
Cavan v Tyrone
ROUND 2B (I'll juggle up these as it will be a random draw. Not a direct Roscommon lost to Kerry will play Cork who lost to Meath. Home advantage by luck of the draw.)
Galway v Donegal
Roscommon v Clare
Cork v Derry
Mayo v Louth
Note: ROUND 3
2A losers at home to 2B winners. The Motion 19 carrot for winning Round 1!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8858 - 27/05/2025 06:20:25
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "You'd see me giving off is the punishment of only one week for ulster and leinster finalists and two weeks for connacht and munster. It's worse than a joke on the fairness stakes. If they couldn't find two weeks then all teams should played over the last weekend.
Another way I was thinking to stop giving advantages to knocked our teams and to eliminate the the up to nearly two month break is to have two groups for the teams that lose before the provincial finals and let them start the group on the weekend of the leinster and ulster provincials.
The winners of the provinces play the runners up of another province and the winners of that get through to the all ireland quarters.
The losers of that match get a second chance against the top two teams of each group and winners of that match go through to the quarters.
It means a game or two less for the provincial winners so you get time to celebrate for a few days without fretting about all ireland. It makes it harder for teams that don't do well in their province but also reduces the down time for teams like derry.
This is of course unless decouple the provincials altogether but why would you do that after the success of this year." I do like the concept of the earlier groups - but still don't like any set up that give Munster teams a hand draw just because the province is weak. I would seed the provincial winner based on league ranking of top 4 teams
Going by this
Ulster Senior Football Championship (ranked 1)
Preliminary round
Donegal (4) v Derry (10) - Derry Exit to group stage
Quarter-Finals
Antrim (23) v Armagh (6)
Tyrone (9) v Cavan (12) - Cavan Exit to Group stage
Fermanagh (20) v Down (17)
Donegal (4) v Monaghan (7) - Monaghan Exit to group stage
Semi-Finals
Armagh (6) v Tyrone (9) - Tyrone Exit to group stage
Down (17) v Donegal(4) - Down Exit to group stage
Final
Armagh V Donegal
Connacht Senior Football Championship
Quarter-Finals
New York (33) v Galway (3)
London (31) v Roscommon (8)
Mayo (2) v Sligo (21)
Semi-Finals
Leitrim (26) v Mayo (2)
Galway (3) v Roscommon (8) - Roscommon Exit to Group stage
Final
Galway V Mayo
Munster Senior Football Championship
Quarter-Finals
Waterford (32) v Tipperary (29)
Limerick (24) v Cork (13)
Semi-Finals
Cork (13) v Kerry (1) - Cork Exit to group stage
Waterford (32) v Clare (19)
Final
Kerry v Clare
Leinster Senior Football Championship
First Round
Wexford (23) v Laois (22)
Carlow (28) v Meath (11)
Wicklow (27) v Longford (30)
Quarter-Finals
Offaly (15) v Meath (11)
Dublin (5) v Wicklow (27)
Kildare (16) v Westmeath (18)
Louth (14) v Laois (22)
Semi-Finals
Meath (11) v Dublin (5) - Dublin Exit to group
Kildare(16) v Louth (14) -
Final
Meath V Louth
Ulster& Leinster prelim round - 12th April
Connacht & Munster quarter Finals - 12th April
Ulster& Leinster quarter Finals - 19th April
Connacht & Munster Semi Finals - 26th April
Ulster& Leinster Semi Finals - 3rd/4th May
Provincial Finals - 18th May
All Ireland Series - 18th May
Group 1 (quarter final losers + semi finalist from lowest ranked province)
Cavan (12), Derry (9), Monaghan (7), Cork (13)
Group 2 (semi final losers)
Roscommon (8), Dublin (5), Down (17), Tyrone (9)
All Ireland Series - 1st June
Group 1 2nd round
Group 2 2nd round
Group 3 - provincial losers play off
Mayo (Connacht) v Meath (Leinster)
Armagh (Ulster) v Clare (Munster)
Provincial winner group - 8th June
Round 1 - Ulster & Connacht at home
Galway (Connacht) v Louth (Leinster)
Donegal (Ulster) v Kerry (Munster)
All Ireland series - 15th June
Group 1 3rd round
Group 2 3rd Round
Group 3 loser play off
Mayo v Clare
Provincial winner group - 15th June
Round 2 - Neutral venues
All Ireland Round 4b - 29nd June
Meath, Armagh, Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Monaghan (top 2 from group 1 and 2 and best 3rd place)
Open draw - Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin progress
Provincial winner group - 29th June
Round 3 - Neutral venues
Top 2 into semis (Donegal & Galway)
3rd place in All ireland q finals - Kerry
All Ireland q finals(b) - 6th July
Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry - open draw
All Ireland semis - 20th July
Donegal (Ulster 1) v Armagh (6)
Galway (Connacht 2) v Kerry (1)
All Ireland final - 3rd August (Bank holiday weekend)
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1412 - 27/05/2025 12:57:46
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I honestly think a special congress is needed to reverse the implementation of next years format and keep what we have. The new format wont solve any of the issues people complain about.
The current format offers a guaranteed number of games, guaranteed home game, offers relevance to provincial championships and leagues and is tiered. Its the best all round compromise format and none of the format ideas in here will ever see the light of day in Congress.
We've had great games so far, upsets and mostly full county grounds.
trimmer (Meath) - Posts: 540 - 27/05/2025 16:06:34
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