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Replying To Mads: "Yeah, the handpass punishment is a bit of a joke, we seem to be the only team being punished. In fairness it's hard to know what to do against cork. That's 3 tight championship matches where they have managed to get on the right side of the result. We were able to say we had a lot of injuries last year. Nash was the last straw ahead of the semi. This time was different, finally a full pack to pick from and cork down 2 definite starters. A bit of a worry. Now look we haven't actually lost to them in play time yet this year.
The Sunday game highlighted how our half backline was exposed. Hannon wasn't the problem, we don't seem to be set up well to deal with the movement of the cork half forwards. Do we go extra defensive and have DO'D as a 3rd midfielder in place of Reidy. Or as was said do we make sure goal chances are taken against a leaky full backline..Hego's maybe wasn't a goal opportunity but there were 2 others we should have buried." Supporters will always remember the decisions which go against them. On hand passing, you're definitely not the only county being blown for them. We were blown for at least two against Kilkenny. Not that it made a whole pile of difference in the finish.
Cork supporters would argue that there was blatant foul on (I believe it was) Hayes in the build up Limerick's second goal. That was definitely a critical moment.
As a genuine neutral, I thought the ref let a lot go, but he did do it for both teams. Both can definitely feel aggrieved about certain non-calls, but they also benefited from the same at times.
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Even though we technically drew, the feeling of a defeat is still raw. While we have not lost to Cork this year and gave them a trimming when they were off it a few weeks ago, the narrative is now that they have our number and in some ways they do. They certainly won't doubt themselves if we meet again….
Focusing on the positives from Saturday. The ease with which Cork created goal changes against us last year was frightening but we have certainly tightened up in that regard in our meetings this year. We really went after their full back line in the first half and it is obvious Limerick feel they can be got at. If we took even half of the goal chances created in the first half, then it is a completely different game. Both teams left a lot of chances behind them but some of the Limerick misses were very uncharacteristic - the wind was a huge factor and the poor shot efficiency reminded me of our semi in Croke Park last year. If we do click and our shot efficiency is hopefully switched on in All Ireland series, we have a great chance.
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Replying To Mads: "Yeah, the handpass punishment is a bit of a joke, we seem to be the only team being punished. In fairness it's hard to know what to do against cork. That's 3 tight championship matches where they have managed to get on the right side of the result. We were able to say we had a lot of injuries last year. Nash was the last straw ahead of the semi. This time was different, finally a full pack to pick from and cork down 2 definite starters. A bit of a worry. Now look we haven't actually lost to them in play time yet this year.
The Sunday game highlighted how our half backline was exposed. Hannon wasn't the problem, we don't seem to be set up well to deal with the movement of the cork half forwards. Do we go extra defensive and have DO'D as a 3rd midfielder in place of Reidy. Or as was said do we make sure goal chances are taken against a leaky full backline..Hego's maybe wasn't a goal opportunity but there were 2 others we should have buried." "The Sunday game highlighted how our half backline was exposed." They tend to pick selective aspects of play the feed into how one team won and the other lost. Had Limerick won and it is not without the realms of reality that that could have happened, wouldn't they have highlighted Kyle Hayes' brilliant defensive work in how he cut out 3-4 Cork goals opportunities when the Cork forwards were doing what they love, to run at the opponent's defense? Limerick to me were far more solid defensively than last year. How many real goalscoring chances did Cork create this time? Balls will break and touches and deflections happen, and as a halfback line on any team, you'll be lucky to hold the likes of Harnedy, Tom Morrissey, or John Donnelly to 3 points or less per game.
I don't think that the Limerick half-back line was as exposed as much as was insinuated on the Sunday Game. Hannon, while a fine player and a great warrior and leader of Limerick hurling, doesn't it would seem have the legs anymore to go toe-to-toe with Shane Barrett for 70 minutes. Hayes, on the top of his game, does.
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Supporters will always remember the decisions which go against them. On hand passing, you're definitely not the only county being blown for them. We were blown for at least two against Kilkenny. Not that it made a whole pile of difference in the finish.
Cork supporters would argue that there was blatant foul on (I believe it was) Hayes in the build up Limerick's second goal. That was definitely a critical moment.
As a genuine neutral, I thought the ref let a lot go, but he did do it for both teams. Both can definitely feel aggrieved about certain non-calls, but they also benefited from the same at times." Yeah that's a fair response.
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Watched the match back again..yes the ref left a lot go on both sides and both could feel calls went against them..couldn't believe only 6 frees in total in first half..I keep reminding people,limerick weren't beaten in the match..
I don't think there needs to be any major panic after what happened.there were a few missed chances and the odd wrong option taken..no disrespect to Dublin but it looks like a kk semi final for us.they will be very hard to beat but I think it's set up nicely now for our boys.really looking forward to next few weeks.
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2548 - 12/06/2025 23:50:56
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Replying To foreveryoung: ""The Sunday game highlighted how our half backline was exposed." They tend to pick selective aspects of play the feed into how one team won and the other lost. Had Limerick won and it is not without the realms of reality that that could have happened, wouldn't they have highlighted Kyle Hayes' brilliant defensive work in how he cut out 3-4 Cork goals opportunities when the Cork forwards were doing what they love, to run at the opponent's defense? Limerick to me were far more solid defensively than last year. How many real goalscoring chances did Cork create this time? Balls will break and touches and deflections happen, and as a halfback line on any team, you'll be lucky to hold the likes of Harnedy, Tom Morrissey, or John Donnelly to 3 points or less per game.
I don't think that the Limerick half-back line was as exposed as much as was insinuated on the Sunday Game. Hannon, while a fine player and a great warrior and leader of Limerick hurling, doesn't it would seem have the legs anymore to go toe-to-toe with Shane Barrett for 70 minutes. Hayes, on the top of his game, does." When Cork had the wind in the first half, Hayes did huge covering for other backs and cut out a number of serious attacks. For the only goal Cork Himself, Morrissey and Finn had the Cork forwards bottled up only for Byrnes to come off his man, Barrett. If Byrnes had stayed on the loose man, no goal. Cork were supposed to be the team to score all those goals in the Championship this year and Limerick were supposed to be hopeless for scoring goals. In two games V Limerick Cork got two goals in total, one from a free the first day, when the game was well over, and one the last fay, which should have been prevented. By contrast Limerick scored five goals over the course of the two games and created even more goal vjances, that could have gone in another day. The Cork Full Line conceded about 2.10 from play the LAST DAY, with two rookies playing at Full Forward, but nobody is commenting on that.
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Replying To Oldtourman: "When Cork had the wind in the first half, Hayes did huge covering for other backs and cut out a number of serious attacks. For the only goal Cork Himself, Morrissey and Finn had the Cork forwards bottled up only for Byrnes to come off his man, Barrett. If Byrnes had stayed on the loose man, no goal. Cork were supposed to be the team to score all those goals in the Championship this year and Limerick were supposed to be hopeless for scoring goals. In two games V Limerick Cork got two goals in total, one from a free the first day, when the game was well over, and one the last fay, which should have been prevented. By contrast Limerick scored five goals over the course of the two games and created even more goal vjances, that could have gone in another day. The Cork Full Line conceded about 2.10 from play the LAST DAY, with two rookies playing at Full Forward, but nobody is commenting on that." Pat Ryan has proved to be very tactically astute. You could see, especially in the first half they were ready for the diagonal ball to Gillane so many times with two in that channel. Shane Barrett at centre forward was immense for them I thought. Hayes had a great game too but he could not afford to man mark Barrett as he drifts all over. Some people might disagree but i think a calm day and a more open pitch like Croker might suit Limerick that bit more. Limerick work the ball that bit more than Cork and have to be more precise with the ball into the forwards. Cork are probably the most direct team in the championship and in Brian Hayes they have the perfect target.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 450 - 13/06/2025 10:29:26
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Replying To LarryLuimneach: "Even though we technically drew, the feeling of a defeat is still raw. While we have not lost to Cork this year and gave them a trimming when they were off it a few weeks ago, the narrative is now that they have our number and in some ways they do. They certainly won't doubt themselves if we meet again….
Focusing on the positives from Saturday. The ease with which Cork created goal changes against us last year was frightening but we have certainly tightened up in that regard in our meetings this year. We really went after their full back line in the first half and it is obvious Limerick feel they can be got at. If we took even half of the goal chances created in the first half, then it is a completely different game. Both teams left a lot of chances behind them but some of the Limerick misses were very uncharacteristic - the wind was a huge factor and the poor shot efficiency reminded me of our semi in Croke Park last year. If we do click and our shot efficiency is hopefully switched on in All Ireland series, we have a great chance." If ye beat Kilkenny the all ireland is yours in my opinion thats going to be the final in my eyes think Tipp will beat Cork in other semi.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 397 - 13/06/2025 11:56:00
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Replying To Oldtourman: "When Cork had the wind in the first half, Hayes did huge covering for other backs and cut out a number of serious attacks. For the only goal Cork Himself, Morrissey and Finn had the Cork forwards bottled up only for Byrnes to come off his man, Barrett. If Byrnes had stayed on the loose man, no goal. Cork were supposed to be the team to score all those goals in the Championship this year and Limerick were supposed to be hopeless for scoring goals. In two games V Limerick Cork got two goals in total, one from a free the first day, when the game was well over, and one the last fay, which should have been prevented. By contrast Limerick scored five goals over the course of the two games and created even more goal vjances, that could have gone in another day. The Cork Full Line conceded about 2.10 from play the LAST DAY, with two rookies playing at Full Forward, but nobody is commenting on that." Ironically Limerick may have overdone the hunt for goals
English's shot in first half was from too far away and he should have tapped over. For Hegartys solo there was plenty of cover and goal was not really on even if it was a decent save
(And Hegartys was right after Corks goals so best time for a score)
But its clear that Limerick have identified Corks man to man defending inside as an opportunity, and have at the same time managed to suffocate the Cork inside forwards and deny them goal chances - which was a huge defensive effort
Barretts goal was well taken but unlucky in the sense that it was an instant pull on the ball, he knew if he tried to rise it he would have been bottled up
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 147 - 13/06/2025 14:49:00
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I have heard a lot of people complaining about the Quarter Final being in Croke Park on Saturday evening at 4 o'clock.
While I agree a trip to Dublin is expensive (especially for families bringing Kids) and the timing of the game is not great, at the start of the Munster Championship if you could have guaranteed us a Quarter Final against Dublin in Croker most reasonable people would have bitten your hand off for it. ( Also Clare and Waterford fans would gladly swop places with us).
There should be plenty of tickets available so it's a great chance for anyone who couldn't get tickets to the Munster final to come along and bring as many people with them as they can. If your driving up and have some space in your car, offer it up to your neighbours and clubmates and try get as much support to Dublin as we can. Support will be needed with both the Dubs and the self proclaimed "best fans in the world" all shouting/chanting against us.
One win and we will be back on the horse again
Luimneach Abu
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Dont love the fact that its in Croke Park although I suspect the players and management will be happy
I dont love double headers, they seem to impact the atmosphere with a lot of coming and going
There will be a lot of Dublin fans arriving in the middle of the hurling
Prefer if it was in say Portlaoise with a full house and a good atmosphere. Even Thurles with 25k would be better
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 147 - 16/06/2025 17:58:34
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Replying To Yadse: "Dont love the fact that its in Croke Park although I suspect the players and management will be happy
I dont love double headers, they seem to impact the atmosphere with a lot of coming and going
There will be a lot of Dublin fans arriving in the middle of the hurling
Prefer if it was in say Portlaoise with a full house and a good atmosphere. Even Thurles with 25k would be better" The venue is great for management and players and great chance for the players to get their eye in and positioning on the Croke Park dimensions. 12,760 sq meters is the playing surface of Croker vs Gaelic Grounds which is 11,234 sq meters, thats a hell a lot of more space. Its a different game playing in Croker so its great to have a chance to play there. Management also get a chance to see where they want to set out their positional lines starting positions. I'd like to see Peter Casey, Gillane and SOB start in the FF line and bring on Reidy as an impact sub. I'd be tempted to start CON too as he looked a bit rusty when he came on and give Tom Morrissey the last 20 mins. Flanagan could also use some game time if he is going to be an option this year.
Not so good for the supporters, its a bit of a spin to get there which isn't too bad on the motorway but i agree the biggest issue is the double header. Nothing worse when you are trying to enjoy the game and you are constantly up and down off your seat as others come and go and have no interest in the game you're watching. If its tight in the last 20 mins the swelling crowd would really row in behind Dublin so hopefully it won't come to that.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 450 - 17/06/2025 11:12:32
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I think they should put out their best XV - whoever it is they would start in a semi
Bring on the bench as early as possible
I don't think Reidy is an impact sub I think his role is a starter. Although I do think either Casey or CON could start but if they do it could be Toms place that is under threat
Even though Aidan O Connor did ok v Cork I am not sure why he started (was it to give Cork something different to think about?). I would rather have Shane O Brien on from the beginning v Dublin
This is a tough game, I don't think there will be much of an atmosphere, and it's one that we will be expected to win comfortably which can bring its own pressure.
I would be happy with any kind of win
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 147 - 17/06/2025 12:43:40
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Replying To Yadse: "I think they should put out their best XV - whoever it is they would start in a semi
Bring on the bench as early as possible
I don't think Reidy is an impact sub I think his role is a starter. Although I do think either Casey or CON could start but if they do it could be Toms place that is under threat
Even though Aidan O Connor did ok v Cork I am not sure why he started (was it to give Cork something different to think about?). I would rather have Shane O Brien on from the beginning v Dublin
This is a tough game, I don't think there will be much of an atmosphere, and it's one that we will be expected to win comfortably which can bring its own pressure.
I would be happy with any kind of win" I agree, It's knockout now, the time for experimenting is over, our strongest team has to start. While I agree Cathal O'Neill on for David Reidy would not weaken the team any bit, I do think David Reidy has done enough to hold the Jersey. Also I love when people suggest Tom Morrissey could be replaced with someone else as he usually follows this up with and an unbelievable performance.
This will be a very different game to the Munster Final. Flash Gordon will certainly be more whistle happy and we can count on more frees being awarded to both teams (and possible cards dished out) with this in mind our bench will become more important as players getting yellows may need to be replaced.
For me our best team on form is
Nicky Quaid
Sean Finn
Dan Morrissey
Mike Casey
Diarmuid Byrnes
Kyle Hayes
Barry Nash
Adam English
Will O'Donoghue
Gearoid Hegarty
Cian Lynch
Tom Morrissey
Aaron Gillane
Shane O'Brien
David Reidy
Cathal O'Neill on for David Reidy would not weaken the team but I think
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Is Daragh o Donovan going to get a start at all?
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Replying To Bon: "Is Daragh o Donovan going to get a start at all?" I would say Darragh O'Donovan is unlikely to win back a starting spot this season. Darragh O'Donovan is a brilliant player with unbelievable experience and I can see him coming on to close out a game. I just don't believe he has done enough when he has come on this year to take a starting position off William O'Donoghue or Adam English.
LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 178 - 17/06/2025 14:25:19
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Having finally got around to watching the Munster final back in full, and with the benefit of being able to pause and re watch various bits I have the following observations:
We seem to have a fascination with trying to get goals. While we are to be able to work a goal scoring opportunity, there was a bit of panic and the final shots were being rushed and subsequently poorly finished. I feel like both Gearoid and Adam English efforts were rushed and in both cases they could have gone in further and shortened the stick (similar to the Bulls Goal) but they panicked a little and tried to get the shots off too early. They may have been better taking the easy point instead of going for goals. (For years we beat teams points by taking all the easy scores on offer and I feel against the wind in the Munster final this would have been a better option).
Our decision making was poor in a number of instances and there were some poor shots taken when a pass to a better positioned player was on.
At no point did we go short with the puck out and try to work the ball up the field. May be this is because our passing or handling wasn't up to scratch on the day (we seemed to overhit and under hit a huge number of passes which lead to spilled balls and turnovers for Cork).
The running off the shoulder and breaking of the tackles by the first receiver and then passing the ball to man running on the overlap and in space (i.e. as we did against Waterford and Cork the in the Round Robin) did not happen or wasn't let happen. Much of the passes were lateral or to a man making a run out from goal into space rather than to a man running toward goal.
Overall we didn't play as well as we can and we still got it Penalties. These are items I'm Sure Kiely and Kinnerk will go after and I hope we can get right before Dublin on Saturday
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Replying To LimerickandProud: "I would say Darragh O'Donovan is unlikely to win back a starting spot this season. Darragh O'Donovan is a brilliant player with unbelievable experience and I can see him coming on to close out a game. I just don't believe he has done enough when he has come on this year to take a starting position off William O'Donoghue or Adam English." Its a pity, he's a class bit of stuff. Some engine in him.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2402 - 18/06/2025 23:11:55
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I get the point about starting our first 15, however at the same time, if there is another extra time later on in the championship or someone goes down early through injury the lads coming in need to be sharp. I think I definitely would start Barry murphy for proper croke Park experience. DOD I feel is improving all the time and a full game could be the makings of him. Playing him alongside Adam English and giving WOD a rest wouldn't do much harm to anyone and finally CON instead of TOM. Not saying any of these would necessarily start against the
Cats but at least they would have benefitted from that starting game particularly in croke Park.
Unfortunately I was never in a position to make the quarter due to other commitments, however, I think it has worked out as a great way to get valuable experience for the young lads and sharpness into the other lads. We were always a bit sluggish starting in our other semis, that shouldn't be the case against the cats which is vital. I Don't think the game against the Dubs will be too easy, any win by a few points will do just to get the last result out of the system.
Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 373 - 19/06/2025 07:25:16
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Replying To Yadse: "I think they should put out their best XV - whoever it is they would start in a semi
Bring on the bench as early as possible
I don't think Reidy is an impact sub I think his role is a starter. Although I do think either Casey or CON could start but if they do it could be Toms place that is under threat
Even though Aidan O Connor did ok v Cork I am not sure why he started (was it to give Cork something different to think about?). I would rather have Shane O Brien on from the beginning v Dublin
This is a tough game, I don't think there will be much of an atmosphere, and it's one that we will be expected to win comfortably which can bring its own pressure.
I would be happy with any kind of win" Yes, i agree we should be starting our best 15 but a fully fit Peter Casey is one of the best corner forwards in the game and would add a whole extra layer of threat to our attack. The left to right ball in has become a bit predictable and we need threat on the other side. An on form Flanagan negated this in previous years with his continuous movement but hasn't been able to get going yet. SOB doesn't move as much as Gillane or Flanagan did off the ball. Reidy has been excellent too and its a toss of a coin between them as they both have different strengths but for me a fully fit Casey starts and has also has lots of experience playing the withdrawn, fill in the gaps role.
The only way to know if its in him after the long injury layoff is to play him. Obviously if he is not fully fit, he should not start.
Casey SOB Gillane with no other changes would be my starting FF line.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 450 - 19/06/2025 11:06:43
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