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Replying To Doylerwex: "Absolutely they did, but our games have moved on and the pinnacle of achievement is to win an all Ireland with your county. That's the best of the best.
100% a successful county increases club numbers. The young lad/lady asks their parents on the way home from croke Park if they can do that when their older, the next stop is their club and the cycle starts again in an ideal world.
I loved Manchester United when I was young as well, but there was no thrill like bumping into Larry O Gorman :)
I recall my auld lad trying to get me to stay still on curracloe for a photograph with hanks and Spielberg and I saying "who are these nobody's?" George o Connor is standing over there :)" That defo happened I'd say.
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Replying To countyman2022: "That defo happened I'd say." That's politely put :-D
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Replying To Viking66: "I agree the pinnacle of personal achievement in hurling is to bring Liam home to your county.
But it's not the be all and end all for the vast majority of players, who will never get to play Senior intercounty at all. And certainly as regards the GAA as an organisation, the aims are far more far reaching than some lads personal haul of celtic crosses.
Clubs have far more reasons to exist than merely supplying lads for intercounty games, and it's a sad fact that many former intercounty players put very little back into their clubs when they retire from playing. Granted some on account of not living where they are from and getting involved in new clubs, often with their kids.
What I absolutely agree with is that clubs should put more emphasis on the playing side of their affairs, from underage upwards, as this is what ultimately will encourage new members to join, and stay playing. Thus ensuring the continued existence and viability of the club. Success breeding success so to speak. The knock on effect of this, just as intercounty competition was the knock on effect of club activity all those years ago, is that our intercounty teams should be better." I am with you on this one Viking. It really smacks of arrogance for anyone in Wexford to believe that clubs primary responsibility is to produce county players so we could win an all ireland. There are clubs all over Ireland and overseas where within their county they never have or never will win an All Ireland, what do they exist for then? It is a mentality that seems into mentors at underage who are in it sobas to look after their own lad so he can play county, causing huge harm to the other players and the team.
Getting the process and coaching at underage right is key. Improving kids not becuae you believe they will play forbthe county but because it the way to keep them in the game and coming back year after year with the will to improve themselves, if that happens you will have your county success.
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Replying To zinny: "I am with you on this one Viking. It really smacks of arrogance for anyone in Wexford to believe that clubs primary responsibility is to produce county players so we could win an all ireland. There are clubs all over Ireland and overseas where within their county they never have or never will win an All Ireland, what do they exist for then? It is a mentality that seems into mentors at underage who are in it sobas to look after their own lad so he can play county, causing huge harm to the other players and the team.
Getting the process and coaching at underage right is key. Improving kids not becuae you believe they will play forbthe county but because it the way to keep them in the game and coming back year after year with the will to improve themselves, if that happens you will have your county success." Who are you calling arrogant?
My own young lad isn't even playing yet.
Whether you're training nursery or seniors the ambition should be to get as many lads as you can to the highest possible standard for the benefit of the whole county. Incidentally young lads will stay playing if they're competing well.
Maybe look outside your own villages for 5 seconds.
It's not about the Anne's or the Harriers or Taghmon. It's about Wexford above all else.
We all contributed to the county team and we all benefit from it.
The point of your club is to be supporting something's much bigger.
Griffin understood that too. It wasn't a panel of players. Every man woman and child played their part and shared in it.
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This takes by likes of Tom Dempsey and more like him, it goes without saying Tom's heart is in the right place, is incredibly off. Like what do they want? A replica of our farce of a club championship where there's no jeopardy in the Leinster championship just so we can see Lee Chin into June in a Wexford jersey.
Bottom line, we were relegated in league, rubbish u20s in successive seasons and 4th behind very average Dublin and Galway teams in Leinster. We are where we deserve to be and there are no excuses whatsoever. Waterford are at the same craic with the small violin. Painful!
Bottom line, without Lee Chin we wouldnt be far off McDonagh cup standard.
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Replying To Timbertony: "This takes by likes of Tom Dempsey and more like him, it goes without saying Tom's heart is in the right place, is incredibly off. Like what do they want? A replica of our farce of a club championship where there's no jeopardy in the Leinster championship just so we can see Lee Chin into June in a Wexford jersey.
Bottom line, we were relegated in league, rubbish u20s in successive seasons and 4th behind very average Dublin and Galway teams in Leinster. We are where we deserve to be and there are no excuses whatsoever. Waterford are at the same craic with the small violin. Painful!
Bottom line, without Lee Chin we wouldnt be far off McDonagh cup standard." I agree, we have won one Leinster in 21 years.
Repeat that, 1 Leinster in 21 years and we needed Davy voodoo to win that even tho we had an excellent team. Something wrong in the county.
Mind you it could have been worse Dublin only have won won in 62 years or so and most counties some win any
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Replying To Timbertony: "This takes by likes of Tom Dempsey and more like him, it goes without saying Tom's heart is in the right place, is incredibly off. Like what do they want? A replica of our farce of a club championship where there's no jeopardy in the Leinster championship just so we can see Lee Chin into June in a Wexford jersey.
Bottom line, we were relegated in league, rubbish u20s in successive seasons and 4th behind very average Dublin and Galway teams in Leinster. We are where we deserve to be and there are no excuses whatsoever. Waterford are at the same craic with the small violin. Painful!
Bottom line, without Lee Chin we wouldnt be far off McDonagh cup standard." Still at the Joe Mac crack. God you are a depressing person. Near enough all of our lads played on underage teams that beat the Joe Mac counties comfortably enough. While many of those counties are getting better we still usually beat them well at underage.
We also beat Dublin at minor and u20 this year. Last years minors beat Kilkenny and Cork. Last years u20s lost narrowly to a very good Dublin u20 side after being level coming into the last quarter. Dublin hammered Galway in the SF and only lost narrowly to Offaly in the Leinster Final, and Offaly won the AI.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Who are you calling arrogant?
My own young lad isn't even playing yet.
Whether you're training nursery or seniors the ambition should be to get as many lads as you can to the highest possible standard for the benefit of the whole county. Incidentally young lads will stay playing if they're competing well.
Maybe look outside your own villages for 5 seconds.
It's not about the Anne's or the Harriers or Taghmon. It's about Wexford above all else.
We all contributed to the county team and we all benefit from it.
The point of your club is to be supporting something's much bigger.
Griffin understood that too. It wasn't a panel of players. Every man woman and child played their part and shared in it." Would the majority in the Harriers agree with you on this? I don't think they do. Club comes first
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Replying To Timbertony: "This takes by likes of Tom Dempsey and more like him, it goes without saying Tom's heart is in the right place, is incredibly off. Like what do they want? A replica of our farce of a club championship where there's no jeopardy in the Leinster championship just so we can see Lee Chin into June in a Wexford jersey.
Bottom line, we were relegated in league, rubbish u20s in successive seasons and 4th behind very average Dublin and Galway teams in Leinster. We are where we deserve to be and there are no excuses whatsoever. Waterford are at the same craic with the small violin. Painful!
Bottom line, without Lee Chin we wouldnt be far off McDonagh cup standard." I agree with you until your closing statement.
How many mcdonagh teams have all star nominees, yoyth nominee, narrow 20 final defeats, Leinster minor medals, under 14,16 all Ireland finalists, feile winners in them?
This season was really really poor. We still have talent at every grade.
We set up poorly and under performed in two big games this year that cost us our season. It's not good, but not totally hopeless either.
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Replying To WEXILE: "I agree, we have won one Leinster in 21 years.
Repeat that, 1 Leinster in 21 years and we needed Davy voodoo to win that even tho we had an excellent team. Something wrong in the county.
Mind you it could have been worse Dublin only have won won in 62 years or so and most counties some win any" 21 years would include June 2004...... That's two Leinsters in 21 years out of 8 finals.
Still a bad record in fairness.
Not that Dublin are the bar or anything but only one Dublin born player has ever won an inter county all Ireland medal in spite of their 6 Liam McCarthys.
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Replying To btwex90: "Would the majority in the Harriers agree with you on this? I don't think they do. Club comes first" I doubt everyone would agree but it is a part of the club's ethos that is openly discussed.
It is openly our ambition to produce good technical hurlers, including one county minor every year.
All of our coaches at every level are discussing this all the time.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3698 - 05/06/2025 10:08:30
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I m kinda bemused with the different attitudes on here i ve been involved with coaching both codes over the years . Have seen some of the lads i coached play county in both codes . I feel proud to see that .
And here is the crucial points
I seen better more skillful players drop off and that hurted and left scars on my confidence . as much as i felt pride in the lads that made it . I would like to think I treated each lad the same . And I can say honestly I went above and beyond to try keep everyone of them playing but it was nt for the majority as they did not share my desire or love for the games .
The attitude , work ethic and hunger are the most crucial needs yes they also need skill athletism size etc but withiut the first 3 they will fall short. family life , circle of friends, peers all play their part too .
Lost players
Some went soccer route, some went rugby route, some took career choices or college life took over , some emigrated some sadly fell victim to life choices and are no longer with us i think of these boys everyday.
I try tell myself i done my best but inevitably I feel at times like I ve failed knowing i could nt gave done more .
I see some have become successful in life some not so much , some are now coaching some have nt been in the field since they stopped .
I ve loved my time involved on the whole had some great times and had some heartbreaking times , too many and not just on the field .
I will try continue to help where I can and where I m needed and can help .
I look at current situation and feel I ve failed somehow . I m not to blame there are so many like myself doing all they can are we to blame are we not good enough possibly not but then we are at ground level trying to pass on the love of the games .
The one thing I will continue to say is if you don't enjoy the game you will not flourish . Get them to enjoy playing before we put any pressure on them to take the step up To be the next all ireland winner
The difference was the lads that made it , love it and want it more are prepared to go the extra mile . .
I can tell you I did nt do it to make county players that was a bonus, it did it for my club the love of the games and it did it for the chaps to give them an alternative to walking the streets , sitting in pubs etc . I feel pride when they come up years later and thank me reminiscing their playing days . We are there to help get them through life and firm foundations too not just gaa never forget that important point .
I got as much pleasure from winning u12 titles or at any other age , any grade or code as I did watching the 96 team winning leinster and all ireland . Why because that meant as much to me as I was something I helped along the way and to see the smiling faces at the end after acheiving something acheivable . That was those chaps all ireland at their level and fulfilled ambition or potential .
If our sole purpose is to supply county players and winning all irelands after being a small cog in a big wheel then we have failed miserably .
We fail when the enjoyment is taken away .
Forget all irelands go back and put the enjoyment back into it . You just might be surprised how it will improve and hopefully succes would follow .
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Replying To Formertownie: "I m kinda bemused with the different attitudes on here i ve been involved with coaching both codes over the years . Have seen some of the lads i coached play county in both codes . I feel proud to see that .
And here is the crucial points
I seen better more skillful players drop off and that hurted and left scars on my confidence . as much as i felt pride in the lads that made it . I would like to think I treated each lad the same . And I can say honestly I went above and beyond to try keep everyone of them playing but it was nt for the majority as they did not share my desire or love for the games .
The attitude , work ethic and hunger are the most crucial needs yes they also need skill athletism size etc but withiut the first 3 they will fall short. family life , circle of friends, peers all play their part too .
Lost players
Some went soccer route, some went rugby route, some took career choices or college life took over , some emigrated some sadly fell victim to life choices and are no longer with us i think of these boys everyday.
I try tell myself i done my best but inevitably I feel at times like I ve failed knowing i could nt gave done more .
I see some have become successful in life some not so much , some are now coaching some have nt been in the field since they stopped .
I ve loved my time involved on the whole had some great times and had some heartbreaking times , too many and not just on the field .
I will try continue to help where I can and where I m needed and can help .
I look at current situation and feel I ve failed somehow . I m not to blame there are so many like myself doing all they can are we to blame are we not good enough possibly not but then we are at ground level trying to pass on the love of the games .
The one thing I will continue to say is if you don't enjoy the game you will not flourish . Get them to enjoy playing before we put any pressure on them to take the step up To be the next all ireland winner
The difference was the lads that made it , love it and want it more are prepared to go the extra mile . .
I can tell you I did nt do it to make county players that was a bonus, it did it for my club the love of the games and it did it for the chaps to give them an alternative to walking the streets , sitting in pubs etc . I feel pride when they come up years later and thank me reminiscing their playing days . We are there to help get them through life and firm foundations too not just gaa never forget that important point .
I got as much pleasure from winning u12 titles or at any other age , any grade or code as I did watching the 96 team winning leinster and all ireland . Why because that meant as much to me as I was something I helped along the way and to see the smiling faces at the end after acheiving something acheivable . That was those chaps all ireland at their level and fulfilled ambition or potential .
If our sole purpose is to supply county players and winning all irelands after being a small cog in a big wheel then we have failed miserably .
We fail when the enjoyment is taken away .
Forget all irelands go back and put the enjoyment back into it . You just might be surprised how it will improve and hopefully succes would follow ." I know we disagree on a fundamental point but that is a marvelous post.
The amount of yourself you are investing in the game we love is genuinely moving.
You're a credit to your parish and this county.
Just to be clear, I do get great joy out of everything the young lads do. For some of them that might be as simple as a clean pick up in a match, or a couple of hooks and you see them running over to their parents "did you see what I did?". I do love that stuff.
However the big picture for me will always be the lads that go the distance and realise their full potential, which for all of them if they want it enough is to represent Wexford at the highest level.
We won't produce another chinner if our only goal is to have fun. Being a very good player at the top level is extremely fun.
My own young lad will be whoever he will be, but I can tell you from before he was born his diet, routine, learning tools, motor skills and mobility development are all meticulously planned with the hope that he'll add to the 6 all Ireland medals in his family (none of which are my own sadly).
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I think the onus on coaches should be to develop their players as much as possible. I don't have an issue with teams aiming to produce as many county players as possible; usually, if you provide a lot of hurlers to the county set-up, you should have a very good side so I don't see why it's wrong for that to be an aim
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I know we disagree on a fundamental point but that is a marvelous post.
The amount of yourself you are investing in the game we love is genuinely moving.
You're a credit to your parish and this county.
Just to be clear, I do get great joy out of everything the young lads do. For some of them that might be as simple as a clean pick up in a match, or a couple of hooks and you see them running over to their parents "did you see what I did?". I do love that stuff.
However the big picture for me will always be the lads that go the distance and realise their full potential, which for all of them if they want it enough is to represent Wexford at the highest level.
We won't produce another chinner if our only goal is to have fun. Being a very good player at the top level is extremely fun.
My own young lad will be whoever he will be, but I can tell you from before he was born his diet, routine, learning tools, motor skills and mobility development are all meticulously planned with the hope that he'll add to the 6 all Ireland medals in his family (none of which are my own sadly)." I'd say he will really enjoy playing
btwex90 (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 05/06/2025 12:00:58
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Comparing yourselves with Dublin's record is just projection and self-justification.
In Dublin, hurling is BY FAR the 2nd game and I am not even delusional enough to think otherwise. Yes its trendy in trendy parts which it wasn't when I was growing up but its still the minor game in Dublin albeit the football support has waned significantly they still get the lions share of the support and funding.
A better comparison exists with counties like Tipp, Limerick and Clare who both have both games but hurling is by far the number 1 game. All 3 have been up the Hogan steps several times since Wexford were.
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Formertownie great post, I grew up in northside Dublin and saw this struggle versus the other vices and influences in life.
All you can ask from anybody in this life is their best. But.....the problem is is everybody doing their best? To me, the answer to that is no. Lots of parents never help, either by encouraging hurling between sessions or by helping out with the sessions. Plenty of people adapt the "Can't somebody else do it, I'm too busy" attitude, when in reality they say if you want something done ask a busy person.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1368 - 05/06/2025 12:23:34
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A club producing the best club hurlers will invariably produce the best county hurlers. Look at the Martins right now. Best club hurlers, best county hurlers.
Your club should be trying to make the best hurlers it can, whether they make it to hurling county or not is a petty stupid nonsensical argument.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1854 - 05/06/2025 13:11:07
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I know we disagree on a fundamental point but that is a marvelous post.
The amount of yourself you are investing in the game we love is genuinely moving.
You're a credit to your parish and this county.
Just to be clear, I do get great joy out of everything the young lads do. For some of them that might be as simple as a clean pick up in a match, or a couple of hooks and you see them running over to their parents "did you see what I did?". I do love that stuff.
However the big picture for me will always be the lads that go the distance and realise their full potential, which for all of them if they want it enough is to represent Wexford at the highest level.
We won't produce another chinner if our only goal is to have fun. Being a very good player at the top level is extremely fun.
My own young lad will be whoever he will be, but I can tell you from before he was born his diet, routine, learning tools, motor skills and mobility development are all meticulously planned with the hope that he'll add to the 6 all Ireland medals in his family (none of which are my own sadly)." Is his mother a kilkenny woman?
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2372 - 05/06/2025 13:13:57
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Replying To Bon: "Is his mother a kilkenny woman?" Haha she is not.
They're all Wexford players from 55-68 and 1 in 96.
The first of our club men ever to win an all Ireland medal in 1960 would be his great great uncle.
Another great great uncle of cloghbawn has 3 in 55,57 and 60
Another great uncle in 68, and finally a second cousin in 96 also cloghbawn.
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