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The Connacht and Munster finals were big events. Standalone events as well with no relevance to the All Ireland championship.
At a minimum the All Ireland draw should be after the provincial finals. That might require a partial draw where 4 are drawn against the Connacht and Munster finalists after those finals. The remaining 4 then could be drawn against the Ulster and Leinster finalists after their finals have been played. Sin é! CA!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9732 - 10/05/2026 21:21:05
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Replying To legendzxix: "The Connacht and Munster finals were big events. Standalone events as well with no relevance to the All Ireland championship.
At a minimum the All Ireland draw should be after the provincial finals. That might require a partial draw where 4 are drawn against the Connacht and Munster finalists after those finals. The remaining 4 then could be drawn against the Ulster and Leinster finalists after their finals have been played. Sin é! CA!" No, the provincial winners need to be seeded 1, and runners up seeded 2. Top 4 from league seeded 3 and bottom 4 from league seeded 4. Seed 1 v Seed 4 and Seed 2 v Seed 3 with seeds 1 and 2 at home. Thats all that's needed within this system. I, personally, prefer the round robin system but this is the tweak this one needs.
The Draw can happen when it happened then. You, if you are not in a provincial finsl, know who you could be playing then and provincial finalists know who they have if they win or lose.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 10/05/2026 22:16:53
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Replying To legendzxix: "The Connacht and Munster finals were big events. Standalone events as well with no relevance to the All Ireland championship.
At a minimum the All Ireland draw should be after the provincial finals. That might require a partial draw where 4 are drawn against the Connacht and Munster finalists after those finals. The remaining 4 then could be drawn against the Ulster and Leinster finalists after their finals have been played. Sin é! CA!" Makes sense.
Any chance of making Prov Finals half of Rd 1 ties?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3424 - 11/05/2026 03:06:55
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "No, the provincial winners need to be seeded 1, and runners up seeded 2. Top 4 from league seeded 3 and bottom 4 from league seeded 4. Seed 1 v Seed 4 and Seed 2 v Seed 3 with seeds 1 and 2 at home. Thats all that's needed within this system. I, personally, prefer the round robin system but this is the tweak this one needs.
The Draw can happen when it happened then. You, if you are not in a provincial finsl, know who you could be playing then and provincial finalists know who they have if they win or lose." Your seeding would put Cork above Donegal this year, because they done what exactly in the Munster championship? Remember your munster seedings, to keep them away from any realistic opposition, before you answer. Deal with your elephant in the room, and any of half a dozen formats will work for all- Ireland, and it's timing of draws.
Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 89 - 16/05/2026 11:30:33
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Replying To Expertinall: "Your seeding would put Cork above Donegal this year, because they done what exactly in the Munster championship? Remember your munster seedings, to keep them away from any realistic opposition, before you answer. Deal with your elephant in the room, and any of half a dozen formats will work for all- Ireland, and it's timing of draws." I dont have to deal with any elephant in any room.
Cork are a division 1 team who got to a provincial final. Thats the system and no matter how hard you try, imo, you are not going to downgrade the achievements of Roscommon or Westmeath this season or louth last season or Tipp a few seasons before. Whether you like it or not the league is a warm up competition for the championship. If Donegal are so much better than Cork then they should be delighted to get them in the qualifier even in the pairc.
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 16/05/2026 14:11:06
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "I dont have to deal with any elephant in any room.
Cork are a division 1 team who got to a provincial final. Thats the system and no matter how hard you try, imo, you are not going to downgrade the achievements of Roscommon or Westmeath this season or louth last season or Tipp a few seasons before. Whether you like it or not the league is a warm up competition for the championship. If Donegal are so much better than Cork then they should be delighted to get them in the qualifier even in the pairc." Cork aren't a division 1 team, until next year and they came second in a 2 horse race, seeded to keep those horses at the front. Yet you insist they have equal status with non seeded provincial finalists? Roscommon and westmeath did not have this handy little arrangement. If munster want to keep it, then any advantage afterwards needs to be highlighted, sorry to say.
Interesting how many years you went back to find Tipperary, but your other examples are current?
Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 89 - 16/05/2026 18:41:22
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "No, the provincial winners need to be seeded 1, and runners up seeded 2. Top 4 from league seeded 3 and bottom 4 from league seeded 4. Seed 1 v Seed 4 and Seed 2 v Seed 3 with seeds 1 and 2 at home. Thats all that's needed within this system. I, personally, prefer the round robin system but this is the tweak this one needs.
The Draw can happen when it happened then. You, if you are not in a provincial finsl, know who you could be playing then and provincial finalists know who they have if they win or lose." Why should provincial winners and runners up be seeded 1 and 2? The provinces are not equal competitions. Kerry and Cork would be 1 or 2 seedings pretty much every year going into the All Ireland series for doing next to nothing.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 171 - 16/05/2026 22:36:03
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Replying To JimB1991: "Why should provincial winners and runners up be seeded 1 and 2? The provinces are not equal competitions. Kerry and Cork would be 1 or 2 seedings pretty much every year going into the All Ireland series for doing next to nothing." Yeah, maybe it would be better to have the league top 8 as hosts, with any non-top 8 Prov Champs & next league positions being the 8 away teams.
Competition for those league places could be improved - say, Div 1 with 2 mixed-quality groups of 8 (top 4 in each as AIC Rd 1 hosts), Div 2 with mixed-quality groups of 8 (top 2 in each as Rd 1 away), plus any Prov Champs not in those 12, and any Div 1 5th/6th as needed away.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3424 - 17/05/2026 17:55:04
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Three of the 4 Provincial finals were rip roaring contests, where every score counted and went down to the wire.
Above all, it shows that 3 of the 4 provinces can survive without a link to the All ireland race.
At this point, only Kerry and Cork need the All Ireland link, because the Munster football championship is dead without it.
Its time to Kill off that championship and rotate the Munster counties through the other provinces as invitees.
Cork can play Kerry in Killarney once a year as that fixture seems to draw a crowd, although its doesn't inspire a performance from Cork.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1823 - 18/05/2026 11:09:04
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Three of the 4 Provincial finals were rip roaring contests, where every score counted and went down to the wire.
Above all, it shows that 3 of the 4 provinces can survive without a link to the All ireland race.
At this point, only Kerry and Cork need the All Ireland link, because the Munster football championship is dead without it.
Its time to Kill off that championship and rotate the Munster counties through the other provinces as invitees.
Cork can play Kerry in Killarney once a year as that fixture seems to draw a crowd, although its doesn't inspire a performance from Cork." 'The colour and the atmosphere in Killarney, with the sun baking the stones' how many times have we heard that one? Pity about the football, same winner 21/26 times since 2000. Sacred cow, or what? Guaranteed home draw, now for both seeded teams, what's not to like?
Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 89 - 18/05/2026 21:10:52
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The Provincials can stay, they can stay part of the All Ireland.
You can still have a really good championship.
Provincials run in to a 16 team tier 1 championship split in 2 groups of 8.
Provincial champions guaranteed a spot, Provincial runners up play off with the lowest ranked teams from the Previous season to get down to 16.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4669 - 19/05/2026 07:01:03
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Replying To Whammo86: "The Provincials can stay, they can stay part of the All Ireland.
You can still have a really good championship.
Provincials run in to a 16 team tier 1 championship split in 2 groups of 8.
Provincial champions guaranteed a spot, Provincial runners up play off with the lowest ranked teams from the Previous season to get down to 16." Let's swap the league and provincial championship position in the season and be done with it. Yhats what you all really want.
Westmeath, you did great to beat kildare and Meath to get to the Leinster final but if ye lose we wont recognise that. We will make you play off again for your place in the championship. We want to consider performance in a competition that was played predominantly in the pre/early part of season in awful weather conditions as more important than the competition that's played in the middle of the intercounty season when it comes to deciding who plays in the championship.
Wee are no longer going to consider the league as a championship team building phase of the season. Instead we are going to use the provincial championships for that. The league will be the second most important competition going forward. Its too early in the season to justify that?? Oh wait we better move it so....
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 19/05/2026 10:49:55
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Replying To Whammo86: "The Provincials can stay, they can stay part of the All Ireland.
You can still have a really good championship.
Provincials run in to a 16 team tier 1 championship split in 2 groups of 8.
Provincial champions guaranteed a spot, Provincial runners up play off with the lowest ranked teams from the Previous season to get down to 16." And Kerry keep the huge advantage they have always had?? Giving the provincial champions a seeding or bye based on winning completely different championships, different number of teams and difficulty, makes no sense and is unfair.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 171 - 19/05/2026 13:02:12
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Let's swap the league and provincial championship position in the season and be done with it. Yhats what you all really want.
Westmeath, you did great to beat kildare and Meath to get to the Leinster final but if ye lose we wont recognise that. We will make you play off again for your place in the championship. We want to consider performance in a competition that was played predominantly in the pre/early part of season in awful weather conditions as more important than the competition that's played in the middle of the intercounty season when it comes to deciding who plays in the championship.
Wee are no longer going to consider the league as a championship team building phase of the season. Instead we are going to use the provincial championships for that. The league will be the second most important competition going forward. Its too early in the season to justify that?? Oh wait we better move it so...." There is no problem with the Ulster/Leinster or Connacht Championships - Just Munster.
We can all agree that the Provincial winners of the other provinces have an advantage - just not the Munster Championships.
Antrim and Galway gave up their privileges in the hurling championship - time for Kerry to do the same.
Move Kerry and Cork to Connacht and abolish the Munster championship
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1823 - 19/05/2026 13:18:49
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Let's swap the league and provincial championship position in the season and be done with it. Yhats what you all really want.
Westmeath, you did great to beat kildare and Meath to get to the Leinster final but if ye lose we wont recognise that. We will make you play off again for your place in the championship. We want to consider performance in a competition that was played predominantly in the pre/early part of season in awful weather conditions as more important than the competition that's played in the middle of the intercounty season when it comes to deciding who plays in the championship.
Wee are no longer going to consider the league as a championship team building phase of the season. Instead we are going to use the provincial championships for that. The league will be the second most important competition going forward. Its too early in the season to justify that?? Oh wait we better move it so...." Exactly, swap the timing of the league and provincials and link the league to the All Ireland series, job done.
JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 171 - 19/05/2026 15:06:03
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Let's swap the league and provincial championship position in the season and be done with it. Yhats what you all really want.
Westmeath, you did great to beat kildare and Meath to get to the Leinster final but if ye lose we wont recognise that. We will make you play off again for your place in the championship. We want to consider performance in a competition that was played predominantly in the pre/early part of season in awful weather conditions as more important than the competition that's played in the middle of the intercounty season when it comes to deciding who plays in the championship.
Wee are no longer going to consider the league as a championship team building phase of the season. Instead we are going to use the provincial championships for that. The league will be the second most important competition going forward. Its too early in the season to justify that?? Oh wait we better move it so...." why do you have to completely swap the competitions position in season. play competitions interchangably like they do in soccer/rugby/many other sports. you shouldnt have to play everything to a conclusion before starting the next competition
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3978 - 19/05/2026 15:28:01
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