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Replying To Whammo86:  "The thing is that neither seeding or no seeding is great.

With seeding 2 teams get an easy run but with no seeding a weak team can get a handy route to the All Ireland that probably does them no good anyway.

Seeding or not the actual issue is that the reward for getting to a Provincial final is too great because of the inequality between them."
That's it. All provinces at the end of the day can only produce one winner. If you are going down the road of provincial winners only:
1) All Ireland Round 1 should have all 8 games on the same weekend, two weeks after the Ulster and Leinster finals.
2) A Tailteann 8 and a Third Tier 8 would have to start their Round 1 on the same weekend as All Ireland Round 1.
3) Round 2A winners from the Tailteann 8 and from the Third Tier 8 would have to host semi finals on the same weekend as the All Ireland quarter finals.

If agreement is reached on all that - happy days!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9821 - 13/06/2026 15:45:54    2679252

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Replying To Expertinall:  "Deflective answer again, I have always said the system needs to be equal, never said a particular team should never have to play another team of any calibre. I am always happy to highlight the cosy arrangement in munster, which flies in the face of equality! And why so defensive of Kerry, maybe you see them as standard bearers in Munster for yous, rather than actually competing with them?"
Cork have just beaten Donegal in Donegal. Munster football not just one team after all. Cork would be a top 8 team in your system too which you have never mentikned either.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 578 - 13/06/2026 16:46:43    2679262

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Cork have just beaten Donegal in Donegal. Munster football not just one team after all. Cork would be a top 8 team in your system too which you have never mentikned either."
Again, I have always called it a 2 horse race,if you read back! But kindly address the numerical imbalance and quality of opposition (tailteann cup form?) and not constantly posting deflective posts. If Cork win the whole competition it wont alter those facts. And to a lesser degree they are also there in connacht, but they don't deliberately keep 2 apart.

Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 156 - 14/06/2026 13:38:36    2679499

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Cork have just beaten Donegal in Donegal. Munster football not just one team after all. Cork would be a top 8 team in your system too which you have never mentikned either."
4 of 6 Munster counties qualified for the All Ireland 16 in the first year of the Tailteann Cup. Facts like that cannot be spoken about for some!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9821 - 14/06/2026 13:53:14    2679508

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Replying To Expertinall:  "Again, I have always called it a 2 horse race,if you read back! But kindly address the numerical imbalance and quality of opposition (tailteann cup form?) and not constantly posting deflective posts. If Cork win the whole competition it wont alter those facts. And to a lesser degree they are also there in connacht, but they don't deliberately keep 2 apart."
I have tried twice now and the reply has failed to appear here.
I will start with your last point. Again you are being hypocritical. The system being adapted mirrors what you are proposing. Seeding in munster will be based on league performance. Im against it myself but that is the system adapted. If it was there 2 seasons ago Clare would have been seeded.
If Cork win the whole thing it wont change the fact that they are a top 8 team now , based on leagur form, either so would have been seeded in your system too.
Clare were a Sam team last season. Limerick were in the TC final last season. We got 2 away games in a row under the new system this season. Its very selective of you to just focus on this seasons form.

On geography- The provinces are what they are since before the foundation of the state and the provincial championships are what they are since the start of GAA(NY and London aside). This association is built on club, county, province, All Ireland both at club and intercounty.its what draws the crowds. The Provincial finals in Munster, Ulster and Leinster drew similar crowds this season. They are important for 2 reasons. 1. It remains important to counties to win their province. 2. Its an honour to go forward and represent yout county as provincial champions in the AI series. This one should not be underestimated. Its a key proponent of what makes the Provincial championship so prestigious. I know the mayo man is saying that they dont count them but I dont believe him. Afterall without Connacht titles Mayo have one more championship trophy than Limerick and one less than Tipperary. Only one team can win the AI every year and football would be dead if it wasn't for the interest and rivalry of the provincial championships. Binning that because of Kerry is absurd.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 578 - 14/06/2026 15:27:13    2679528

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I have tried twice now and the reply has failed to appear here.
I will start with your last point. Again you are being hypocritical. The system being adapted mirrors what you are proposing. Seeding in munster will be based on league performance. Im against it myself but that is the system adapted. If it was there 2 seasons ago Clare would have been seeded.
If Cork win the whole thing it wont change the fact that they are a top 8 team now , based on leagur form, either so would have been seeded in your system too.
Clare were a Sam team last season. Limerick were in the TC final last season. We got 2 away games in a row under the new system this season. Its very selective of you to just focus on this seasons form.

On geography- The provinces are what they are since before the foundation of the state and the provincial championships are what they are since the start of GAA(NY and London aside). This association is built on club, county, province, All Ireland both at club and intercounty.its what draws the crowds. The Provincial finals in Munster, Ulster and Leinster drew similar crowds this season. They are important for 2 reasons. 1. It remains important to counties to win their province. 2. Its an honour to go forward and represent yout county as provincial champions in the AI series. This one should not be underestimated. Its a key proponent of what makes the Provincial championship so prestigious. I know the mayo man is saying that they dont count them but I dont believe him. Afterall without Connacht titles Mayo have one more championship trophy than Limerick and one less than Tipperary. Only one team can win the AI every year and football would be dead if it wasn't for the interest and rivalry of the provincial championships. Binning that because of Kerry is absurd."
At no point in a system are 2 sided kept apart, and then receive an advantage, for getting to the last 2. That is just unfair, history, geography, or any other smokescreen you use, won't hide that.

Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 156 - 14/06/2026 20:30:20    2679631

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Replying To Expertinall:  "At no point in a system are 2 sided kept apart, and then receive an advantage, for getting to the last 2. That is just unfair, history, geography, or any other smokescreen you use, won't hide that."
What system are you talking about? The sporting world is full of examples of seedlings being used. The system, based on league placing, that you are proposing is based on seedlings from the league. That keeps the top teams apart until the final rounds. You are so fixated on kerry that it completely clouds your judgement. You ignore all other points and narrow your focus to kerry. Why??

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 578 - 14/06/2026 22:31:31    2679673

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