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Replying To Galway9801:  "That's a horrible remark, making out that people should suffer for what their forefathers did,, perhaps we as Europeans should all suffer now for our continents past crimes?
Where does that stupid logic end?"
The last sentence was tongue in cheek. I've loads of English family and friends. The 1st sentence is a statement of fact. And in any case having plenty of immigrants shouldn't be the problem it's made out to be in this day and age In itself, once there is a desire to fit in in the country you go to and you put something into it. Globalisation is also a fact. Shame some people don't seem to want to get used to it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11212 - 08/12/2023 07:50:16    2515940

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Replying To Galway9801:  "That's a horrible remark, making out that people should suffer for what their forefathers did,, perhaps we as Europeans should all suffer now for our continents past crimes?
Where does that stupid logic end?"
Forefathers??

They voted for Brexit on purely racist grounds in 2016.

Look at their Rwanda framework, back in the headlines again this week.

They've votes the Tory party into power for the past 15 years and now that the Tories have put a man of Indian heritage into Number 10, they'll vote them out at the next election.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4909 - 08/12/2023 09:35:21    2515948

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "What misinformation? Be specific"
What misinformation? Are you serious? Are you on social media? Half baked stories from people sharing what they heard or " someone told me " etc etc. It started across the water and now the experts are out in force in Ireland. Sharing stories from the likes of Gript and other outlets.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7777 - 08/12/2023 10:38:41    2515957

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Forefathers??

They voted for Brexit on purely racist grounds in 2016.

Look at their Rwanda framework, back in the headlines again this week.

They've votes the Tory party into power for the past 15 years and now that the Tories have put a man of Indian heritage into Number 10, they'll vote them out at the next election."
The old saying could apply to the Tories, they have too many chiefs and not enough Indians
what they are doing with the Rwanda deportations plan will never work, the only country to benefit from it will be Rwanda itself, it's going to cost Britain £250 by next year in payments to Rwanda and they have to take in any Rwanda migrants that want to go to Britain, the voters will love that plan.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2664 - 08/12/2023 10:45:45    2515958

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "What misinformation? Are you serious? Are you on social media? Half baked stories from people sharing what they heard or " someone told me " etc etc. It started across the water and now the experts are out in force in Ireland. Sharing stories from the likes of Gript and other outlets."
Maybe they are just guilty of wrong think?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2664 - 08/12/2023 10:57:55    2515962

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Maybe they are just guilty of wrong think?"
Say that again.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7777 - 08/12/2023 11:25:27    2515969

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The old saying could apply to the Tories, they have too many chiefs and not enough Indians
what they are doing with the Rwanda deportations plan will never work, the only country to benefit from it will be Rwanda itself, it's going to cost Britain £250 by next year in payments to Rwanda and they have to take in any Rwanda migrants that want to go to Britain, the voters will love that plan."
£250 million obviously lol.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2664 - 08/12/2023 11:28:37    2515970

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "What misinformation? Are you serious? Are you on social media? Half baked stories from people sharing what they heard or " someone told me " etc etc. It started across the water and now the experts are out in force in Ireland. Sharing stories from the likes of Gript and other outlets."
Well said. Unfortunately there are plenty of willing disciples willing to swallow the lies of the right wing. Repeat the lie often enough and the fools will believe it.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 97 - 08/12/2023 13:11:31    2515998

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Replying To Viking66:  "The last sentence was tongue in cheek. I've loads of English family and friends. The 1st sentence is a statement of fact. And in any case having plenty of immigrants shouldn't be the problem it's made out to be in this day and age In itself, once there is a desire to fit in in the country you go to and you put something into it. Globalisation is also a fact. Shame some people don't seem to want to get used to it."
None of us know what mass migration and globalisation means for the future so it's hard to specify exactly what it is we're supposed to be getting used to.
I fear it won't be long before terms like "whiteness" start propping up here in Ireland, perhaps the GAAs overwhelmingly white Irish membership will be described as "problematic", young white Irish males, some of whom growing up in rough council estates, might start spending school hours lectured on their privilege by some progressive ideologue who probably earns more than both their parents put together.
Not something I want to be getting used to.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1621 - 08/12/2023 19:46:56    2516057

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Forefathers??

They voted for Brexit on purely racist grounds in 2016.

Look at their Rwanda framework, back in the headlines again this week.

They've votes the Tory party into power for the past 15 years and now that the Tories have put a man of Indian heritage into Number 10, they'll vote them out at the next election."
OK, so if your leader is not white, you can't vote him out, because that's racist. Jesus wept it's crazier we're getting.

I'll ask you a question,, in June 2004,in a referendum on citizenship,, the Irish people voted something like 84% in favour of stripping foreign nationals of the right to remain here even if their child was born here.

Now assuming you're man enough to admit that racism might have played a part in that vote, what is the appropriate punishment for us irish?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1621 - 08/12/2023 19:58:09    2516059

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Fitting sent off today for Shane McGowan, the version of Fairytale of New York from Glen Hansard and Lisa O'Neill would give you goosebumps.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 09/12/2023 02:34:22    2516082

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Replying To Galway9801:  "OK, so if your leader is not white, you can't vote him out, because that's racist. Jesus wept it's crazier we're getting.

I'll ask you a question,, in June 2004,in a referendum on citizenship,, the Irish people voted something like 84% in favour of stripping foreign nationals of the right to remain here even if their child was born here.

Now assuming you're man enough to admit that racism might have played a part in that vote, what is the appropriate punishment for us irish?"
I would say most people don't understand the definition of racism.

A vote like that is protectionist or isolationist rather than racist.

Irish people are historically traditional. Love giving to charity, love foreign aid, love sending doctors, nurses and priests abroad to help. Also like to preserve our own identity as it is. We worked hard for it so it's natural to want to keep it.

This type of attitude is a long way away from wishing ill will on people who are different to you.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2538 - 09/12/2023 10:07:12    2516089

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Fitting sent off today for Shane McGowan, the version of Fairytale of New York from Glen Hansard and Lisa O'Neill would give you goosebumps."
Was so surreal in neagh all day. Cri2ds were something the town hasn't and won't likely see again

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3451 - 09/12/2023 10:48:26    2516091

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Replying To Galway9801:  "OK, so if your leader is not white, you can't vote him out, because that's racist. Jesus wept it's crazier we're getting.

I'll ask you a question,, in June 2004,in a referendum on citizenship,, the Irish people voted something like 84% in favour of stripping foreign nationals of the right to remain here even if their child was born here.

Now assuming you're man enough to admit that racism might have played a part in that vote, what is the appropriate punishment for us irish?"
Do you even know what that referendum was for, and why it was held!!??

It was held to repeal an ammendment rushed through as part of the Good Friday Agreement and it was done so to prevent those who came here ILLEGALLY from automatically being entitled to stay here if they gave birth here, thus circumventing due process in relation to legal immigration.

There are certainly elements of racism in this country (as there are in all countries) but to compare us to Britain in that regard is ludicrous.
The minority, who engage in the thuggery witnessed in Dublin a couple of weeks back, do not represent 52% of the population in this country.

But 52% of Britain voted for Brexit (slightly more than 52% when you consider that the democratic will of the voters in NI was denied them in the aftermath of the vote) and they stand to lose out as a result in every single aspect apart from the free movement of EU citizens into their country.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4909 - 09/12/2023 18:27:45    2516139

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Replying To ThePowerhouse:  "Well said. Unfortunately there are plenty of willing disciples willing to swallow the lies of the right wing. Repeat the lie often enough and the fools will believe it."
Perfectly illustrated by the fact that the majority of the Irish people swallowed the lie that a Brazilian was the first to intervene in the attack on Dublin.
I'd bet you were more than happy to see that little lie being pedalled.
I'd bet you were also only to happy to see the terror attack being effectively deleted from the airwaves while our politicians instead decided to shift the attention onto their own citizens..
Seems to me the reason the "right wing media" are being given so much stick here is for revealing too many facts about the attacker.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1621 - 09/12/2023 18:41:04    2516142

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Perfectly illustrated by the fact that the majority of the Irish people swallowed the lie that a Brazilian was the first to intervene in the attack on Dublin.
I'd bet you were more than happy to see that little lie being pedalled.
I'd bet you were also only to happy to see the terror attack being effectively deleted from the airwaves while our politicians instead decided to shift the attention onto their own citizens..
Seems to me the reason the "right wing media" are being given so much stick here is for revealing too many facts about the attacker."
"Shift attention to our own citizens"

You mean the scumbags who attacked bus drivers, burnt buses and trams, a Garda car, looted shops etc....
Did you want that covered up?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1278 - 09/12/2023 21:50:16    2516155

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Do you even know what that referendum was for, and why it was held!!??

It was held to repeal an ammendment rushed through as part of the Good Friday Agreement and it was done so to prevent those who came here ILLEGALLY from automatically being entitled to stay here if they gave birth here, thus circumventing due process in relation to legal immigration.

There are certainly elements of racism in this country (as there are in all countries) but to compare us to Britain in that regard is ludicrous.
The minority, who engage in the thuggery witnessed in Dublin a couple of weeks back, do not represent 52% of the population in this country.

But 52% of Britain voted for Brexit (slightly more than 52% when you consider that the democratic will of the voters in NI was denied them in the aftermath of the vote) and they stand to lose out as a result in every single aspect apart from the free movement of EU citizens into their country."
Lol, you'd make a good lawyer,, and an even better politician, you know as well as I do that that vote was an accurate reflection of how irish people felt about mass immigration and I doubt much has changed since (a referendum might be an idea?)

Sure it's all moot anyways, no one is illegal, right?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1621 - 09/12/2023 22:24:22    2516159

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I would say most people don't understand the definition of racism.

A vote like that is protectionist or isolationist rather than racist.

Irish people are historically traditional. Love giving to charity, love foreign aid, love sending doctors, nurses and priests abroad to help. Also like to preserve our own identity as it is. We worked hard for it so it's natural to want to keep it.

This type of attitude is a long way away from wishing ill will on people who are different to you."
A vote like that was also common sense. People WERE taking advantage of the situation, migrant women flying in at the late stages of pregnancy to have their baby here, thereby ensuring automatic citizenship for their child and permanent residency for themselves and their family.

Bless my innocent heart, I was one of the niave 16% who voted against the change in law. Thankfully sometimes you can get a bit of sense as you get older.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 10/12/2023 11:19:04    2516172

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Replying To Viking66:  "The last sentence was tongue in cheek. I've loads of English family and friends. The 1st sentence is a statement of fact. And in any case having plenty of immigrants shouldn't be the problem it's made out to be in this day and age In itself, once there is a desire to fit in in the country you go to and you put something into it. Globalisation is also a fact. Shame some people don't seem to want to get used to it."
It is a problem though when it is unplanned and chaotic. I will give you an example. This morning I was waiting for a bus at 9.30 to get to Dublin. 2 -3 years ago there would have been plenty of free seats available and everybody would have been able to get on. This morning it was almost full when it arrived and around 15 people, including myself, were left stranded. The same type of pincer points are happening in our hospitals, at our gp practices, in our housing rental market etc. etc. What we should be saying is..."you are a bus-driver, a nurse, a doctor from a non-EU country or someone with a skill that we need? Cead mile failte...you are welcome. Anyone else who wants to come here who doesnt have the skills we need that will contribute to our country, take your place in the queue. You will be welcome when our services have developed sufficiently to cope with the extra demand which an increase in population entails"

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 10/12/2023 11:42:26    2516177

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Perfectly illustrated by the fact that the majority of the Irish people swallowed the lie that a Brazilian was the first to intervene in the attack on Dublin.
I'd bet you were more than happy to see that little lie being pedalled.
I'd bet you were also only to happy to see the terror attack being effectively deleted from the airwaves while our politicians instead decided to shift the attention onto their own citizens..
Seems to me the reason the "right wing media" are being given so much stick here is for revealing too many facts about the attacker."
It's windy out so be careful you're tinfoil hat isn't blown off. The 5G rays will corrupt your mind.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 97 - 10/12/2023 12:13:18    2516180

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