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Ah here now this forum gone from been sport into culture wars and politics . What is actually wrong saying Brazilian guy was involved he was one of the first to point out that there good immigrants who contribute, some just want to use this for their own agenda against people. Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 391 - 10/12/2023 13:23:37 2516186 Link 2 |
He is just stating fact an element of riots were thugs and jumped on bandwagon and was racist too. That's not saying some can't have genuine concerns around immigration capacity and all that but it's fear misinformation and riots that's uncalled for doing nobody any good. I do get some points around capacity and services capacity concern but not the other fear mongering disinformation. Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 391 - 10/12/2023 13:27:44 2516188 Link 0 |
Of course I don't want it covered up, and they were scumbags,, much like the people who rioted for months in the US in 2020 , and caused far more damage, were also scumbags.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 10/12/2023 13:34:25 2516190 Link 0 |
Absolutely, the Brazilian guy is a hero and highest of respect to him, but perhaps the people in the media who have chosen to almost completely ignore the other two men involved in diffusing the situation have their own agenda too?
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 10/12/2023 14:03:35 2516197 Link 3 |
"But 52% of Britain voted for Brexit (slightly more than 52% when you consider that the democratic will of the voters in NI was denied them in the aftermath of the vote)" It was UK referendum, not a British, or Northern Island referendum. The 'will of the voters' of the UK was not denied. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 10/12/2023 14:33:21 2516202 Link 0 |
Two regions of the Uk voted against Brexit.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1866 - 10/12/2023 22:06:49 2516282 Link 1 |
Yeah, that was my point. The GFA stipulates that the people of NI have the right to self-determination. They voted to remain in the EU. And that is being denied to them. I'd have less sympathy for the Scots who got stage fright when they had their chance. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 12/12/2023 11:31:37 2516464 Link 2 |
The GFA has absolutely nothing to with the EU. The only "self-determination" is if there is a border poll. Which there will not be,, and if there was it would be in favour of remaining in UK. As long as that remains the case then NI is part of UK and is bound by whatever is decided in UK referendums and elections. As are Scotland and Wales despite much greater autonomy than the six counties. Irish republicans agreed to this for some bizarre reason. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 12/12/2023 12:02:12 2516477 Link 1 |
As a Scottish fella said to me- "We were all Braveheart until we saw a polling station"....
streaker (Galway) - Posts: 503 - 12/12/2023 12:53:30 2516491 Link 0 |
45% of them did the dacent thing.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 12/12/2023 14:27:38 2516503 Link 0 |
So what?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 12/12/2023 16:39:29 2516524 Link 0 |
Great quote!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 12/12/2023 16:39:48 2516525 Link 0 |
Because, just like in 1921, the alternative was voilence and mass deaths. I'd be very interested to know what the polls would show in terms of a border poll if there was a guarantee of no voilent repercussions for a United Ireland vote. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 12/12/2023 18:11:54 2516534 Link 1 |
The alternative was not violence. The ceasefire was the right thing to do. The alternative was not to take part in running part of Ireland for Britain. Republicans could have campaigned democratically for an all Ireland vote on Partition and abstained from Stormont and the Executive. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 12/12/2023 19:54:01 2516542 Link 1 |
How are they running it for Britain? It is costing Britain somewhere in the region of £9bn per annum to run. NI is incapable of running at a budget surplus in its current state. But it would have enormous potential for economic prosperity if subjected to the level of FDI the Republic has experienced. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5105 - 12/12/2023 21:05:03 2516549 Link 3 |
Why don't they leave then? A quarter of the 26 counties GDP is taken out of the state by the way. It is now impossible for most working people to buy their own house on one income. A society is more than what suits multi nationals. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 12/12/2023 23:27:37 2516561 Link 0 |
If you are not in you can't win. Abstentionism got the Republican Movement nowhere for years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 13/12/2023 09:45:33 2516576 Link 0 |
Tell Jeffrey Donaldson and the DUP that sitting outside Stormont does not achieve anything.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1866 - 13/12/2023 11:41:46 2516590 Link 1 |
Or Michael Collins and De Valera and Westminster 1918.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 13/12/2023 12:51:54 2516598 Link 1 |
Where exactly are Jeffrey Donaldson and the DUP going in the medium to longterm?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13296 - 13/12/2023 13:50:06 2516609 Link 0 |