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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "Senior....Scotstown.
Intermediate...Clones.
Junior....Tyholland." Haven't watched any Intermediate this year and surprised at Clones being tipped, even though they seem to have a great team and have had a super league.
I just think that Bkaney, Carrick, Doohamlet and Emyvale are the top teams in Intermediate.
Not taking away from the rest who could and no doubt will beat 1 of those on there day.
Also, Junior I'd of taught it woukd be between Blackhill and Drumhown. They are he best teams I think, whit Bkackhill have the last few years of experience behind them and Drumhown looking like they have a really exciting future ahead of them.
As for Senior, like everyone else I can't see past Scotstown.
They messed about in the league with half there forst team and still done enough to not be in relegation.
It's pretty tight though if you took them out of it.
Anyways looking forward to It all.
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Replying To mick2007: "Correction scotstown have 5 adult teams and still had to poach currin for their best player.. anything less than an ulster club title this year will be a failure…" I think Scotstown are a long way short of an Ulster club title with too many players the wrong side of 30 - Glen and Kilcoo are well ahead of the rest of Ulster. I don't think Scotstown poached McCarron - he lives here and we tried to get him to transfer to Errigal Ciaran but he made it clear he wanted to play for his father's club. If that didn't work out then he would've signed for us, and I think we could've challenged for Ulster with him in our team. But he had made his mind up that he was leaving Currin and Scotstown was his first choice so we lost out.
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Replying To Errigal1978: "I think Scotstown are a long way short of an Ulster club title with too many players the wrong side of 30 - Glen and Kilcoo are well ahead of the rest of Ulster. I don't think Scotstown poached McCarron - he lives here and we tried to get him to transfer to Errigal Ciaran but he made it clear he wanted to play for his father's club. If that didn't work out then he would've signed for us, and I think we could've challenged for Ulster with him in our team. But he had made his mind up that he was leaving Currin and Scotstown was his first choice so we lost out." I would strongly fancy burren to come out of down this year so apart from glen if they get out of Derry ulster is an open playing field.. anything but an ulster title for scotstown will be a miserable failure…If daddy had of played with a struggling club he wouldn't have went simple as, he's going to scotstown chasing a hollow medal..as for going to errigal that was never on the cards he wouldn't have coped with the verbals & physicality..
mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 26/07/2023 13:02:51
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Replying To HB245: "Scotstown now have 5 adult teams… their 4th team won a reserves final the other day and there was 40 players named in the programme. Just the 5 u13 teams for them this year also. No other club in Ulster has 5 adult teams, so a team from a county as small as Monaghan having 5 adult teams tells you everything you need to know about how uneven the playing field is here." I think all clubs in the county need to look at what Scotstown are doing away from there senior ranks...
I'd say if we looked its still the same 22/23 players winning them championships but aside from that we need to look at there player retention.
What are they doing differently. No doubt the numbers help...but: Is it the coaching? the culture? or are they just entering as many teams as possible so players can play games at any level?
Themselves and Blayney entered teams in U18's this year and played by age not ability!! Playing games to develop players for the future.
I've gone to games where teams have subs on the bench and insist on playing 13 aside instead of playing 15 aside.. which is crazy!! no wonder players are dropping off... they might not all be Cliffords but let them play.
In the past few years since the change from U18 to U17 grade they seem to be very good at keeping there players training and playing football. Regardless of the quality of player they are possibly producing. I think its a credit to them the amount of people they have playing GAA regardless of ability.
Carrick pulled out of the 18's so the youngsters could concentrate on seniors!! Madness!! A missed opportunity for a number of games for there younger players to have fun.
Latton have 3 teams. Harps have 3 teams, Inniskeen have 3 teams. Blayney 3 teams. Clontibert 3 teams. Truagh have 4 teams. Credit to all these clubs for providing sport to players.
Some of the more enjoyable games I've seen this year is reserve football free of systems and with open attacking football
I personally feel alot of clubs use the change from U18 to U17 as an excuse for not holding onto players. I think as a County we need to look at creating more competition!! u19's, u21's
What are our clubs throughout the county doing right and wrong. To have more competition at senior level we need more retention.
Do we need more amalgamations at juvenile level? The more games we can get for players the better.
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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "Senior....Scotstown.
Intermediate...Clones.
Junior....Tyholland." Championships
Senior - Scotstown.
Intermediate - Cremartin
Junior - Drumhowan
Leagues
Senior - Inniskeen
Intermediate - Castleblayney
Junior - Tyholland
Relegation
Senior: Magheracloone, Truagh
Intermediate: Toome, Seans
farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 26/07/2023 23:06:19
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Replying To farneygossip: "I think all clubs in the county need to look at what Scotstown are doing away from there senior ranks...
I'd say if we looked its still the same 22/23 players winning them championships but aside from that we need to look at there player retention.
What are they doing differently. No doubt the numbers help...but: Is it the coaching? the culture? or are they just entering as many teams as possible so players can play games at any level?
Themselves and Blayney entered teams in U18's this year and played by age not ability!! Playing games to develop players for the future.
I've gone to games where teams have subs on the bench and insist on playing 13 aside instead of playing 15 aside.. which is crazy!! no wonder players are dropping off... they might not all be Cliffords but let them play.
In the past few years since the change from U18 to U17 grade they seem to be very good at keeping there players training and playing football. Regardless of the quality of player they are possibly producing. I think its a credit to them the amount of people they have playing GAA regardless of ability.
Carrick pulled out of the 18's so the youngsters could concentrate on seniors!! Madness!! A missed opportunity for a number of games for there younger players to have fun.
Latton have 3 teams. Harps have 3 teams, Inniskeen have 3 teams. Blayney 3 teams. Clontibert 3 teams. Truagh have 4 teams. Credit to all these clubs for providing sport to players.
Some of the more enjoyable games I've seen this year is reserve football free of systems and with open attacking football
I personally feel alot of clubs use the change from U18 to U17 as an excuse for not holding onto players. I think as a County we need to look at creating more competition!! u19's, u21's
What are our clubs throughout the county doing right and wrong. To have more competition at senior level we need more retention.
Do we need more amalgamations at juvenile level? The more games we can get for players the better." another problem is the shortage of referees. if you have more teams and more games you will have no refs for these matches.
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Replying To farneygossip: "I think all clubs in the county need to look at what Scotstown are doing away from there senior ranks...
I'd say if we looked its still the same 22/23 players winning them championships but aside from that we need to look at there player retention.
What are they doing differently. No doubt the numbers help...but: Is it the coaching? the culture? or are they just entering as many teams as possible so players can play games at any level?
Themselves and Blayney entered teams in U18's this year and played by age not ability!! Playing games to develop players for the future.
I've gone to games where teams have subs on the bench and insist on playing 13 aside instead of playing 15 aside.. which is crazy!! no wonder players are dropping off... they might not all be Cliffords but let them play.
In the past few years since the change from U18 to U17 grade they seem to be very good at keeping there players training and playing football. Regardless of the quality of player they are possibly producing. I think its a credit to them the amount of people they have playing GAA regardless of ability.
Carrick pulled out of the 18's so the youngsters could concentrate on seniors!! Madness!! A missed opportunity for a number of games for there younger players to have fun.
Latton have 3 teams. Harps have 3 teams, Inniskeen have 3 teams. Blayney 3 teams. Clontibert 3 teams. Truagh have 4 teams. Credit to all these clubs for providing sport to players.
Some of the more enjoyable games I've seen this year is reserve football free of systems and with open attacking football
I personally feel alot of clubs use the change from U18 to U17 as an excuse for not holding onto players. I think as a County we need to look at creating more competition!! u19's, u21's
What are our clubs throughout the county doing right and wrong. To have more competition at senior level we need more retention.
Do we need more amalgamations at juvenile level? The more games we can get for players the better." Couldn't agree more. Also Scotstowns youth teams are primarily coached by their senior players - NOT PARENTS!
Way too many clubs have mammys and daddies getting involved and have youth teams trying to play in a lower division so their darling child can get a worthless medal. Youth football is about playing, learning and enjoying - Not winning. Show me a senior footballer boasting about their u16 div3 shield medal and I'll show you a looser. I think Limerick 10-15 years ago got rid of score keeping until u14's - and they've gone from nowhere to 4 in a row.
I read an old Interview lately where Kieran Hughes spoke about an exciting young talent playing on the u16 team he was coaching, the cubs name was Conor McCarthy. Says it all. I went to a minor final last year and the scotstown team had a few coaches on the line but I noticed Shane Carey and Cian Mohan were part of the setup. All county men with oceans of knowledge and experience - far better mentors than daddy telling everyone to kick it to his son!
Clontibret too, Vinny Corey is still managing an u10 team in his club along with Dessie and JP Moen. And people wonder why these clubs are always competing at the very top?
It's not just about population and numbers, that helps but it's more about structures and getting people OUT of the way of the youth coming through. That ballybay, latton, magheracloone, Clontibret have all won county finals since blayney and Carrick with their massive picks speaks volumes about the notion of big areas automatically winning championships.
And that's also a huge one about the players playing their own grade. I know in my own club they're taking lads from u12 to play under 14/15 games ahead of lads who are around 14 years old, and players are leaving by the busload. We used to be regularly competing at div 1 underage but since a bunch of daddies landed in and took over the show the numbers have been falling and the divisions are getting lower..
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Replying To Monaghansclown: "Scotstown shouldn't really be touched this year even though they have had a shocking league campaign. I think Clontibret will realistically be their only challengers because I think Ballybay peaked last year and will go downhill this year. Scotstown/Clontibret/Inniskeen/Donaghmoyne are all in the same group so I would expect Scotstown and someone else from this group to meet in the final. Latton might have the best chance in the other group but would never make it past a semi final.
Winners - Scotstown, Relegation - Corduff, Magheracloone
Intermediate will be a toss up between Blayney and Clones. Clones have a good young team and are a team on the rise. Seans look hopeless this year, what has happened to them? Harps another team that look like they are going nowhere.
Winners - Blayney, Relegation - Seans, Harps" Does last nights results mean that Magheracloone are the only team now that can't be relegated from Senior??
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No the bottom side in championship relegation group of four go down and second bottom two play aughnamullen in a relegation playoff unless aughnamullen are in bottom two in which case both teams go down
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Replying To updafaughs: "No the bottom side in championship relegation group of four go down and second bottom two play aughnamullen in a relegation playoff unless aughnamullen are in bottom two in which case both teams go down" In English please
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Replying To updafaughs: "No the bottom side in championship relegation group of four go down and second bottom two play aughnamullen in a relegation playoff unless aughnamullen are in bottom two in which case both teams go down" OK, and if by chance Aughnamullen win the championship do Magheracloone take their place in the relegation play off, or are Aughnamullen guaranteed that play off now regardless
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 30/07/2023 14:27:56
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If aughnamullen win championship they are exempt from relegation so bottom two in relegation group go down. Otherwise second bottom in relegation group play aughnamullen. The playoff didn't take place last year as Blayney and Carrick were in league relegation playoff and finished in championship bottom 2
updafaughs (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 30/07/2023 17:48:06
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Relegation Group League:
A Relegation Group League will consist of The Group 1 Fourth Place team, Group 1 Fifth Place team, Group 2 Fourth Place team and Group 2 Fifth Place Team. Each team in the group will play the other team once.
All applicable teams will commence the Relegation Group League with no points. Relegation Group League results shall be credited as follows: 2 points for a win, and one for a draw. All group games in round 3 in each tier are to be played at the same time. Tie-breakers will be decided as per GAA Guide Part 1 2021 Section 6.21.
Senior Promotion & Relegation:
Except for those conditions listed below, the team that finishes in Fourth Place of the Senior Relegation Group League shall be relegated to the Intermediate Football Championship and the Intermediate Football League for the following year.
Except for those conditions listed below, the team that finishes in Third Place of the Senior Relegation Group League shall play the Loser of the 'Senior Relegation League Final' in the 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final'.
In the event that the loser of the 'Senior Relegation League Final' wins the Senior Football Championship, then the team that finishes in Third Place of the Senior Relegation Group League shall be relegated to the Intermediate Football Championship and the Intermediate Football League for the following year, 2023 with no 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final' then required to be played.
If the Loser of the 'Senior Relegation League Final' finishes in Third or Fourth Place of the Senior Relegation Group League, then both Third and Fourth Place of the Senior Relegation Group League shall be relegated to the Intermediate Football Championship and the Intermediate Football League for the following year, 2023 with no 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final' required to be played.
If either of the teams that finish in Third or Fourth Place of the Senior Relegation Group League wins the Senior Football League, they will not be relegated and instead play in the Senior Football Championship and Senior Football League for 2023. The Second placed team of the Senior Relegation Group Play-Off League shall then play the Loser of the 'Senior Relegation League Final' in the 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final'.
The 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final' shall be played at a neutral venue. Extra time will be played in the event of a draw at normal time. A replay will then be required should extra time end in a draw. All replays will be 'winner on the day' as per Official Guide. The Loser of the 'Senior Relegation Play Off Stage 2 Final' shall be relegated to the Intermediate Football Championship and the Intermediate Football League for the following year.
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It's harder to get relegated than ever before it seems. Personally I miss the old format of the league being a league and championship being a proper championship.
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Replying To 222: "It's harder to get relegated than ever before it seems. Personally I miss the old format of the league being a league and championship being a proper championship." I don't mind the new format plenty of top level football for club players.
I would like to see another short competition brought in like they have in Kerry. An amalgamation of clubs playing an inter county style system where the biggest clubs (Scotstown, Blayney..not too many after that..) play a competition against clubs amalgamated from regions. I get that Monaghan is small, but a team made up of say the north east of the county playing another against the middle west of the county - would make up two teams with the best players from junior, intermediate and senior clubs.
The whole process of selection, training together etc would be like getting called into a county setup and would surely help bring players forward from lower league clubs. Could also help the county managers spot a player that ordinarily mightn't be spotted. Say a lad from rockcorry doing a job on Conor McCarthy in a match might be worth taking a further look at.
It's hard to know what way the whole thing would be setup but to me the structure of Kerry's competitions is what sets them apart from other counties. I can't see why else they've been so successful in comparison to the likes of Galway, Kildare, Donegal, etc. They're no better fed or bred in Kerry - they just do the thing right!
Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 31/07/2023 18:59:18
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Replying To Jjoniel79: "I don't mind the new format plenty of top level football for club players.
I would like to see another short competition brought in like they have in Kerry. An amalgamation of clubs playing an inter county style system where the biggest clubs (Scotstown, Blayney..not too many after that..) play a competition against clubs amalgamated from regions. I get that Monaghan is small, but a team made up of say the north east of the county playing another against the middle west of the county - would make up two teams with the best players from junior, intermediate and senior clubs.
The whole process of selection, training together etc would be like getting called into a county setup and would surely help bring players forward from lower league clubs. Could also help the county managers spot a player that ordinarily mightn't be spotted. Say a lad from rockcorry doing a job on Conor McCarthy in a match might be worth taking a further look at.
It's hard to know what way the whole thing would be setup but to me the structure of Kerry's competitions is what sets them apart from other counties. I can't see why else they've been so successful in comparison to the likes of Galway, Kildare, Donegal, etc. They're no better fed or bred in Kerry - they just do the thing right!" Good idea!
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They tried the amalgamation idea in late 90s and it was a farce. Teams didn't commit as they had junior/inter champs during same time frame.
Your idea may work better as suggested to play at season end. Wouldn't have Blayney in same bracket as Scotstown at the minute. We will be lucky to get out of intermediate this year
updafaughs (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 01/08/2023 19:25:24
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Replying To Jjoniel79: "Couldn't agree more. Also Scotstowns youth teams are primarily coached by their senior players - NOT PARENTS!
Way too many clubs have mammys and daddies getting involved and have youth teams trying to play in a lower division so their darling child can get a worthless medal. Youth football is about playing, learning and enjoying - Not winning. Show me a senior footballer boasting about their u16 div3 shield medal and I'll show you a looser. I think Limerick 10-15 years ago got rid of score keeping until u14's - and they've gone from nowhere to 4 in a row.
I read an old Interview lately where Kieran Hughes spoke about an exciting young talent playing on the u16 team he was coaching, the cubs name was Conor McCarthy. Says it all. I went to a minor final last year and the scotstown team had a few coaches on the line but I noticed Shane Carey and Cian Mohan were part of the setup. All county men with oceans of knowledge and experience - far better mentors than daddy telling everyone to kick it to his son!
Clontibret too, Vinny Corey is still managing an u10 team in his club along with Dessie and JP Moen. And people wonder why these clubs are always competing at the very top?
It's not just about population and numbers, that helps but it's more about structures and getting people OUT of the way of the youth coming through. That ballybay, latton, magheracloone, Clontibret have all won county finals since blayney and Carrick with their massive picks speaks volumes about the notion of big areas automatically winning championships.
And that's also a huge one about the players playing their own grade. I know in my own club they're taking lads from u12 to play under 14/15 games ahead of lads who are around 14 years old, and players are leaving by the busload. We used to be regularly competing at div 1 underage but since a bunch of daddies landed in and took over the show the numbers have been falling and the divisions are getting lower.." In an ideal world clubs should all play by age and not by ability but that is unfeasible for clubs struggling with numbers!
Should there be a rule driven by the Co.Board that no parents are involved with a teams after U12 to stamp out the favouritism and agendas and make is a level playing field for players??
The main competitions are starting and the fact is the majority of players football is over for the year.
Do we need a winter competition at U20 level to pick County U20's from. League format in Cloghan?? 10 mins halfs, played over a few weeks in November.
Would it be a good idea to run an U20/U21 comp from February to start of April to get this age bracket football before many senior completions start. My opinion is you get more out of playing games than training!
Any coach should need only a month to prep a team for championship and the majority of the year should be focused on playing games and not training. Get fitness through games.
The U18 comp was a farce this year.
U18 Div .1 Harps pulling out and Clones conceding most games.
U18 Div .2 Drumhowan and Killanny pulling out.
In the reserves:
Div 2B. Tyholland, Doohamlet and Toome all pulled out and conceded alot of games.
Div 3A Currin, Carrickmacross and Donaghmoyne all pulled out.
Div 3B.Killanny pulled out.
These teams seem to be knocked to the side when there seniors kick off properly and just use them as challenge matches.
Does there need to be a higher consequence for conceding games?? Maybe loose home advantage or a bigger fine?
In the ulster league the following clubs entered teams, Corduff, Inniskeen, Latton, Scotstown and Killanny all entered teams. Few of which had new managers to have a look at players.
Guaranteed players would rather be playing these games than, doing bleep tests and Bronco runs!
Is there any teams in Monaghan holding 7's tournaments like in the past? Alot going on at underage in terms of go games but maybe lacking at U15/17 level.
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Replying To farneygossip: "In an ideal world clubs should all play by age and not by ability but that is unfeasible for clubs struggling with numbers!
Should there be a rule driven by the Co.Board that no parents are involved with a teams after U12 to stamp out the favouritism and agendas and make is a level playing field for players??
The main competitions are starting and the fact is the majority of players football is over for the year.
Do we need a winter competition at U20 level to pick County U20's from. League format in Cloghan?? 10 mins halfs, played over a few weeks in November.
Would it be a good idea to run an U20/U21 comp from February to start of April to get this age bracket football before many senior completions start. My opinion is you get more out of playing games than training!
Any coach should need only a month to prep a team for championship and the majority of the year should be focused on playing games and not training. Get fitness through games.
The U18 comp was a farce this year.
U18 Div .1 Harps pulling out and Clones conceding most games.
U18 Div .2 Drumhowan and Killanny pulling out.
In the reserves:
Div 2B. Tyholland, Doohamlet and Toome all pulled out and conceded alot of games.
Div 3A Currin, Carrickmacross and Donaghmoyne all pulled out.
Div 3B.Killanny pulled out.
These teams seem to be knocked to the side when there seniors kick off properly and just use them as challenge matches.
Does there need to be a higher consequence for conceding games?? Maybe loose home advantage or a bigger fine?
In the ulster league the following clubs entered teams, Corduff, Inniskeen, Latton, Scotstown and Killanny all entered teams. Few of which had new managers to have a look at players.
Guaranteed players would rather be playing these games than, doing bleep tests and Bronco runs!
Is there any teams in Monaghan holding 7's tournaments like in the past? Alot going on at underage in terms of go games but maybe lacking at U15/17 level." Being involved with both minor and reserve/3rd teams
At club level , I'll explain a few things
I spoke to 1club who were stretched for numbers at u18 level especially with have 2 or 3 away with county team , so not always about managers pulling the pin
Dealing with the 3rd teams, the fixture schedule really is not a help, putting games on in the middle of the leaving cert when our main aim was to give the u19s games , rescheduling fixtures at very short notice , playing games the same day the senior team plays , no crossover of players obviously but crossover of people involved , even put games on the same day as the concert in slane ; might be ok in the bigger clubs , but the medium/smaller clubs ,these things make it a lot harder
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All quiet here lads considering championship is fast approaching. Big weekend of football ahead
Senior
Ballybay v corduff Ballybay by 3
Aughnamullen v latton latton by 6
Clontibret v mcloone Clontibret by 7
Scotstown v inniskeen draw
Intermediate
Doohamlet v Blayney draw
Clones v cremartin cremartin by 5
Toome v Sean's toome by 4
Carrick v killany Carrick by 7
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