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Replying To Bluelake: "The bottom teams in the junior groups have a playoff and that year the sole junior side lost rather than the second team. I think it was Ballinagore were beaten by Killucan that year, think it was 2022" Ok, but why always Moate that make up the numbers in the sole junior group? This will be the third year in a row that Moate are with them
A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 286 - 05/04/2025 20:27:12
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Replying To A_Chairde: "Why is Moate in with the junior clubs again ?" Unsure, very strange. I wonder if their was a draw or something. Does not seem fare that.
IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 05/04/2025 20:30:51
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Replying To IKnowBestest: "Not correct, luk at the draw." Fair enough
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 663 - 05/04/2025 20:53:32
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Replying To A_Chairde: "Ok, but why always Moate that make up the numbers in the sole junior group? This will be the third year in a row that Moate are with them" Fair point, they probably should make it like the intermediate and senior with an A and B (4 in A and 2 from B progress). All they need to do is a do a playoff with the beaten quarter finalists this year but I'm sure some clubs would object.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 236 - 05/04/2025 21:16:05
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Replying To Bluelake: "Fair point, they probably should make it like the intermediate and senior with an A and B (4 in A and 2 from B progress). All they need to do is a do a playoff with the beaten quarter finalists this year but I'm sure some clubs would object." The shuld do tat or It shuld be a draw to see wat 2nd team goes in with the 1st teams.
Not fare that the same team needs 2 play the second teams who don't get weaker as the competition goes on the same was second teams do.
IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 05/04/2025 22:49:05
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Been looking at the league tables and this weekend's fixtures since we've just nearly wrapped up a round 5 across all divisions. I've also seen a bit of chat on the forum lately about the junior groups and a few other bits. Just to be clear-this isn't me having a go at South Westmeath or anything-but there are a few things that are a bit worrying.
Starting with Division 3: Kinnegad are pretty much guaranteed promotion to Division 2 at this point. It's also looking very likely that The Dons will be going up with them-unless Castledaly manage to win their next two games, which could shake things up a bit. Down the bottom, it looks like Moate are almost certainly going down, and Maryland could be joining them, although they still have a chance to stay up.
In Division 2, I think it's fair to say Ballymore are going down-five losses already, including two or three heavy ones. I'd expect Tang to go down with them since they've already lost to Lomans and Shamrocks and still have some tough games ahead. That said, The Bridge are in a tricky spot too and could easily be dragged into the drop.
Not sure if it's happened before, but there's a real chance we could see Division 2 next year featuring Shamrocks, Lomans, Downs, and Kinnegad. That'd be huge for North Westmeath and really shows the strength and depth in those clubs.
I know some people say the league doesn't matter, but if you look at the results, you can't ignore the progress. In a few years, I could easily see one or two of these clubs pushing up to immediate A or B and holding their own. On the other hand, I can't see Finea staying up this year-they've had a few heavy defeats already, especially last week against Tyrrellspass when they lost by 36 points. I get that it's only the league, but that kind of result isn't a great sign.
It's a pity really-you'd love to see the junior winners stay up and be competitive for a few seasons, as Multy has only really been the last club to go up and stay competitive teams like bal, Kilbeggan and finea have been up and down so much the past 7/8 years.
Fighting-Cocks69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 72 - 05/04/2025 23:13:28
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Replying To Fighting-Cocks69: "Been looking at the league tables and this weekend's fixtures since we've just nearly wrapped up a round 5 across all divisions. I've also seen a bit of chat on the forum lately about the junior groups and a few other bits. Just to be clear-this isn't me having a go at South Westmeath or anything-but there are a few things that are a bit worrying.
Starting with Division 3: Kinnegad are pretty much guaranteed promotion to Division 2 at this point. It's also looking very likely that The Dons will be going up with them-unless Castledaly manage to win their next two games, which could shake things up a bit. Down the bottom, it looks like Moate are almost certainly going down, and Maryland could be joining them, although they still have a chance to stay up.
In Division 2, I think it's fair to say Ballymore are going down-five losses already, including two or three heavy ones. I'd expect Tang to go down with them since they've already lost to Lomans and Shamrocks and still have some tough games ahead. That said, The Bridge are in a tricky spot too and could easily be dragged into the drop.
Not sure if it's happened before, but there's a real chance we could see Division 2 next year featuring Shamrocks, Lomans, Downs, and Kinnegad. That'd be huge for North Westmeath and really shows the strength and depth in those clubs.
I know some people say the league doesn't matter, but if you look at the results, you can't ignore the progress. In a few years, I could easily see one or two of these clubs pushing up to immediate A or B and holding their own. On the other hand, I can't see Finea staying up this year-they've had a few heavy defeats already, especially last week against Tyrrellspass when they lost by 36 points. I get that it's only the league, but that kind of result isn't a great sign.
It's a pity really-you'd love to see the junior winners stay up and be competitive for a few seasons, as Multy has only really been the last club to go up and stay competitive teams like bal, Kilbeggan and finea have been up and down so much the past 7/8 years." Garrycastle and Moate 2nd and 3rd in Div 1, Tubberclair top of Division 2, Castledaly likely to come out of Division 3, Ballinagore top of Division 4, Tubberclair top of Division 5. When you say it's huge for North Westmeath who exactly are you referring to? There's no split between North and South; but coming up with stuff like your last post would suggest you see things that way. People on this forum can't even decide what constitutes North and South, so who is it huge for exactly? Do you think Loman's, Shamrocks, The Downs and Kinnegad actually want to see their rivals going well.?
OverTheHill85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 49 - 06/04/2025 11:38:29
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Replying To Fighting-Cocks69: "Been looking at the league tables and this weekend's fixtures since we've just nearly wrapped up a round 5 across all divisions. I've also seen a bit of chat on the forum lately about the junior groups and a few other bits. Just to be clear-this isn't me having a go at South Westmeath or anything-but there are a few things that are a bit worrying.
Starting with Division 3: Kinnegad are pretty much guaranteed promotion to Division 2 at this point. It's also looking very likely that The Dons will be going up with them-unless Castledaly manage to win their next two games, which could shake things up a bit. Down the bottom, it looks like Moate are almost certainly going down, and Maryland could be joining them, although they still have a chance to stay up.
In Division 2, I think it's fair to say Ballymore are going down-five losses already, including two or three heavy ones. I'd expect Tang to go down with them since they've already lost to Lomans and Shamrocks and still have some tough games ahead. That said, The Bridge are in a tricky spot too and could easily be dragged into the drop.
Not sure if it's happened before, but there's a real chance we could see Division 2 next year featuring Shamrocks, Lomans, Downs, and Kinnegad. That'd be huge for North Westmeath and really shows the strength and depth in those clubs.
I know some people say the league doesn't matter, but if you look at the results, you can't ignore the progress. In a few years, I could easily see one or two of these clubs pushing up to immediate A or B and holding their own. On the other hand, I can't see Finea staying up this year-they've had a few heavy defeats already, especially last week against Tyrrellspass when they lost by 36 points. I get that it's only the league, but that kind of result isn't a great sign.
It's a pity really-you'd love to see the junior winners stay up and be competitive for a few seasons, as Multy has only really been the last club to go up and stay competitive teams like bal, Kilbeggan and finea have been up and down so much the past 7/8 years." Castledaly have 6 points from 3 games, the downs have 6 points from 5 games, not sure exactly how it's looking "very likely" that the downs will get promoted ahead of them
Iakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 5 - 06/04/2025 12:00:25
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Replying To A_Chairde: "Why is Moate in with the junior clubs again ?" Moate is in that group because there is less 1st than 2nd teams in J1 and when the first time the second teams outnumbered the first teams (2020 when Delvin was relegated) moate came up from J2 so they have been put in with the second teams and will stay there until the number of first teams increases in J1
DixieNormus (Offaly) - Posts: 2 - 07/04/2025 11:00:19
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Replying To DixieNormus: "Moate is in that group because there is less 1st than 2nd teams in J1 and when the first time the second teams outnumbered the first teams (2020 when Delvin was relegated) moate came up from J2 so they have been put in with the second teams and will stay there until the number of first teams increases in J1" That is incorrect and even if it was its unfair.
Clubs can not be punished for winning it when they do? Who win Junior 2 the years after 2020?
How come they not go into Pot 2?
IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 07/04/2025 12:04:24
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Replying To IKnowBestest: "That is incorrect and even if it was its unfair.
Clubs can not be punished for winning it when they do? Who win Junior 2 the years after 2020?
How come they not go into Pot 2?" There should be a draw to decide which second team goes into the sole Junior side but keeping them mainly separated is there for a reason. A second team can be very different in round 1 to round 5 if their first team gets a run of injuries so keeping them apart is a good thing for the sole Junior clubs. It's a big discussion in general because if you say you want to improve the standard by involving the second teams then surely the best thing is to mix from the start and let the chips lie but that can't happen for the reason I gave. Westmeath clubs won't agree on the future for the competition as a Senior B competition is not valued by the big clubs and if you mix Junior 1 and 2 you could see some big beatings handed out which does no-one any good
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 316 - 07/04/2025 15:06:46
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Replying To Darragh: "There should be a draw to decide which second team goes into the sole Junior side but keeping them mainly separated is there for a reason. A second team can be very different in round 1 to round 5 if their first team gets a run of injuries so keeping them apart is a good thing for the sole Junior clubs. It's a big discussion in general because if you say you want to improve the standard by involving the second teams then surely the best thing is to mix from the start and let the chips lie but that can't happen for the reason I gave. Westmeath clubs won't agree on the future for the competition as a Senior B competition is not valued by the big clubs and if you mix Junior 1 and 2 you could see some big beatings handed out which does no-one any good" Why don't we take 2nd teams out of junior championship and have a solo 2nd team championship.
Have the same rules in the 2nd team championship example, if you play senior championship you cannot play 2nd team championship. You have to name 15 players if you are senior club and 12 if you are an intermediate club.
Get rid of Junior 2 and put all the juniors teams in a junior championship.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 07/04/2025 16:09:50
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Replying To Temple56: "Why don't we take 2nd teams out of junior championship and have a solo 2nd team championship.
Have the same rules in the 2nd team championship example, if you play senior championship you cannot play 2nd team championship. You have to name 15 players if you are senior club and 12 if you are an intermediate club.
Get rid of Junior 2 and put all the juniors teams in a junior championship." I personally agree with that and Junior clubs would side with that but I just don't think it will happen. Big clubs would probably oppose it and I don't think there is any appetite in County Board to go against that
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 316 - 07/04/2025 16:28:34
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