National Forum

Dublin GAA thread

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I know every game is different but if Dublin could not beat that Meath team then I wouldn't hold out to much hope of them beating Galway …."
Exactly..!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 08:40:32    2609066

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "Exactly..!"
I think I'd take even just a very improved performance and not the rubbish we witnessed the last day. If the result goes Galway's way then so be it but at least putting in a good showing will build confidence ahead of the Armagh game.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 13/05/2025 08:49:34    2609067

Link

Replying To realdub:  "He's our main man no doubt, but I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we won to be honest."
If, as people are saying, that Bugler is our main man - then we are goosed....

We have CK & Con - I rate each of those above Bugler.

Yes, Bugler is a very good player but our main man - jeez, we really have dropped in quality, and miles off being AI contenders if that is the case.

And if people think his return alone will turn us into a top table competitive team, then mmmm.!!!!
His is dynamic but if we are pinning all our hopes on him, then we wont get out of that group.
He can win breaking ball, and burst through but he cant shore up our defence and he wont help us win more than 50% of midfield ball against the top midfielders out there today.

Our defence is creaking, no midfield and Clucko is also under massive pressure this year with the new rules.

But other than that we are fine.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 08:55:45    2609069

Link

Replying To TrueBlue35:  "I think I'd take even just a very improved performance and not the rubbish we witnessed the last day. If the result goes Galway's way then so be it but at least putting in a good showing will build confidence ahead of the Armagh game."
Me too to be honest.
But in reality we are miles off both Galway and Armagh.

Looking at the Meath v Louth game and how important the midfield sector is, only solidifies my point.

We might have a chance v Derry as they seem to be in as much disarray as ourselves...

But like yourself, an improved performance is as much as we can hope for at this point.
We were a shambles v Meath.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 09:26:50    2609079

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "Me too to be honest.
But in reality we are miles off both Galway and Armagh.

Looking at the Meath v Louth game and how important the midfield sector is, only solidifies my point.

We might have a chance v Derry as they seem to be in as much disarray as ourselves...

But like yourself, an improved performance is as much as we can hope for at this point.
We were a shambles v Meath."
I'd agree Fionn and yes he is only one player to return but he was also arguably the form player of the league across the board and not just for Dublin. I have a feeling Dessie will mix things up a bit at the weekend and I've heard along with Bugler that Murchan is very close to a return and could play some part this weekend. If we can put out the following 15 then there's no reason we can't be very competitive this week and beyond.

1. Clucko (I'd be inclined to play Hugh O'S though)
2. Davy B
3. Theo
4. Murch
5. McEneaney
6. J. Small
7. Cian M/McMahon
8. Howard
9. Kilkenny
10. Scully
11. Collie B/McGarry
12. Con
13. Costello
14. O'Donnell
15. Luke B

Subs wise then you've O'Dell, Paddy Small, Lahiffs,McGinnis


What's the craic with Con's brother by the way? Is he still involved? Was seriously impressive for Cuala this year but just doesn't seem to have stepped up to this level...yet.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 13/05/2025 09:56:35    2609091

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I know every game is different but if Dublin could not beat that Meath team then I wouldn't hold out to much hope of them beating Galway …."
Agree every game is different but Bugler was nt playing v Meath and he does maje a huge difference.I think he won 3 or 4 MOTM awards during the league.For me he is the player that makes them tick at mo.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3917 - 13/05/2025 10:01:45    2609096

Link

Replying To TrueBlue35:  "I'd agree Fionn and yes he is only one player to return but he was also arguably the form player of the league across the board and not just for Dublin. I have a feeling Dessie will mix things up a bit at the weekend and I've heard along with Bugler that Murchan is very close to a return and could play some part this weekend. If we can put out the following 15 then there's no reason we can't be very competitive this week and beyond.

1. Clucko (I'd be inclined to play Hugh O'S though)
2. Davy B
3. Theo
4. Murch
5. McEneaney
6. J. Small
7. Cian M/McMahon
8. Howard
9. Kilkenny
10. Scully
11. Collie B/McGarry
12. Con
13. Costello
14. O'Donnell
15. Luke B

Subs wise then you've O'Dell, Paddy Small, Lahiffs,McGinnis


What's the craic with Con's brother by the way? Is he still involved? Was seriously impressive for Cuala this year but just doesn't seem to have stepped up to this level...yet."
Still involved - but to be honest I thought Duffy would have got called in also.

McMahon was a massive loss against Meath.
And Lee has been a massive loss.

I get your thinking of Howard with CK in the middle but I don't think both will be strong enough together in there tbh.
We desperately need to unearth a tall strong midfielder.
But having gone to a lot of the club matches, I am not sure there is one out there.

We are not scoring enough and that comes form the supply into the forwards, or lack of it, a lot of the time.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 10:37:11    2609117

Link

Replying To TrueBlue35:  "I think I'd take even just a very improved performance and not the rubbish we witnessed the last day. If the result goes Galway's way then so be it but at least putting in a good showing will build confidence ahead of the Armagh game."
And dont forget, Bugler was so important for us in the league because Con wasnt available in most of those matches,
Also, teams were shadow boxing in the league and didnt play their strongest teams.
Our league form was not actually that great.

The Wicklow game highlighting my point. Con scored 1-07 and Bugler 2pts.
For me Con is much more important.
The lack of supply to Con v Meath came from our dismal midfield, for the most part. And he still top scored for us.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 10:47:14    2609122

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "Still involved - but to be honest I thought Duffy would have got called in also.

McMahon was a massive loss against Meath.
And Lee has been a massive loss.

I get your thinking of Howard with CK in the middle but I don't think both will be strong enough together in there tbh.
We desperately need to unearth a tall strong midfielder.
But having gone to a lot of the club matches, I am not sure there is one out there.

We are not scoring enough and that comes form the supply into the forwards, or lack of it, a lot of the time."
I'd agree and I've been to a lot of club games this year and anyone out there seems to be either tall and physical but poor mobility or else a great athlete but no balls skills. Very frustrating but that's what we get for being spoiled Watching Fento and MDMA and later Jimmy for so long!!

Moving things around with Howard and KK is just robbing peter to pay paul I agree. I also don't know if either would offer enough going back toward our own goal. I'm just trying not to picture a scenario where we start the same pairing as v Meath :D

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 13/05/2025 10:58:15    2609132

Link

Replying To TrueBlue35:  "I'd agree and I've been to a lot of club games this year and anyone out there seems to be either tall and physical but poor mobility or else a great athlete but no balls skills. Very frustrating but that's what we get for being spoiled Watching Fento and MDMA and later Jimmy for so long!!

Moving things around with Howard and KK is just robbing peter to pay paul I agree. I also don't know if either would offer enough going back toward our own goal. I'm just trying not to picture a scenario where we start the same pairing as v Meath :D"
Surely Duffy is worth a shot...

We only need to beat Derry to qualify - all my eggs would be going into that basket tbh.

I am sure Dessie would have tried McMahon in midfield in inhouse practice games at this stage also.

I reckon it will end up with Tom and CK/BH in there.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 11:37:08    2609147

Link

Ó Cofaigh Byrne is big disappointment for such a giant of a man. Galway will test that even more than Meath.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3528 - 13/05/2025 11:44:31    2609149

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "If, as people are saying, that Bugler is our main man - then we are goosed....

We have CK & Con - I rate each of those above Bugler.

Yes, Bugler is a very good player but our main man - jeez, we really have dropped in quality, and miles off being AI contenders if that is the case.

And if people think his return alone will turn us into a top table competitive team, then mmmm.!!!!
His is dynamic but if we are pinning all our hopes on him, then we wont get out of that group.
He can win breaking ball, and burst through but he cant shore up our defence and he wont help us win more than 50% of midfield ball against the top midfielders out there today.

Our defence is creaking, no midfield and Clucko is also under massive pressure this year with the new rules.

But other than that we are fine.... ;o)"
Sean is not as silken as those lads but I would argue that he is our driving force.
We're a lesser team without him

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8752 - 13/05/2025 14:04:37    2609223

Link

Replying To TrueBlue35:  "I'd agree Fionn and yes he is only one player to return but he was also arguably the form player of the league across the board and not just for Dublin. I have a feeling Dessie will mix things up a bit at the weekend and I've heard along with Bugler that Murchan is very close to a return and could play some part this weekend. If we can put out the following 15 then there's no reason we can't be very competitive this week and beyond.

1. Clucko (I'd be inclined to play Hugh O'S though)
2. Davy B
3. Theo
4. Murch
5. McEneaney
6. J. Small
7. Cian M/McMahon
8. Howard
9. Kilkenny
10. Scully
11. Collie B/McGarry
12. Con
13. Costello
14. O'Donnell
15. Luke B

Subs wise then you've O'Dell, Paddy Small, Lahiffs,McGinnis


What's the craic with Con's brother by the way? Is he still involved? Was seriously impressive for Cuala this year but just doesn't seem to have stepped up to this level...yet."
We need a big man in the middle so we have to play one of Lahiff or POCB. I think its time for Dessie to make a big call on our goalkeeping issue.Clucko was/is a legend but its time to move on.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 76 - 13/05/2025 14:35:45    2609236

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "If, as people are saying, that Bugler is our main man - then we are goosed....

We have CK & Con - I rate each of those above Bugler.

Yes, Bugler is a very good player but our main man - jeez, we really have dropped in quality, and miles off being AI contenders if that is the case.

And if people think his return alone will turn us into a top table competitive team, then mmmm.!!!!
His is dynamic but if we are pinning all our hopes on him, then we wont get out of that group.
He can win breaking ball, and burst through but he cant shore up our defence and he wont help us win more than 50% of midfield ball against the top midfielders out there today.

Our defence is creaking, no midfield and Clucko is also under massive pressure this year with the new rules.

But other than that we are fine.... ;o)"
I would say that without Bugler we are goosed.He is consistently good.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 76 - 13/05/2025 14:38:39    2609237

Link

Replying To brayballer:  "
Replying To Fionn:  "If, as people are saying, that Bugler is our main man - then we are goosed....

We have CK & Con - I rate each of those above Bugler.

Yes, Bugler is a very good player but our main man - jeez, we really have dropped in quality, and miles off being AI contenders if that is the case.

And if people think his return alone will turn us into a top table competitive team, then mmmm.!!!!
His is dynamic but if we are pinning all our hopes on him, then we wont get out of that group.
He can win breaking ball, and burst through but he cant shore up our defence and he wont help us win more than 50% of midfield ball against the top midfielders out there today.

Our defence is creaking, no midfield and Clucko is also under massive pressure this year with the new rules.

But other than that we are fine.... ;o)"
I would say that without Bugler we are goosed.He is consistently good."
Like I said - he wont fix our defensive or midfield frailties....

Once Fento left - we were goosed. Simple as that.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 15:08:42    2609244

Link

Replying To brayballer:  "We need a big man in the middle so we have to play one of Lahiff or POCB. I think its time for Dessie to make a big call on our goalkeeping issue.Clucko was/is a legend but its time to move on."
How can anyone suggest we play POCB in midfield again.???
Seriously....

He is miles off inter county standard.
Nothing against him but he is a club player at best.
No offence.

Playing him because of his height alone is bonkers.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 15:16:44    2609249

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "How can anyone suggest we play POCB in midfield again.???
Seriously....

He is miles off inter county standard.
Nothing against him but he is a club player at best.
No offence.

Playing him because of his height alone is bonkers."
If we start POCB then we are going to be in for a seriously long evening down there. Galway -1 at even money would look an even more tempting bet!

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 243 - 13/05/2025 15:22:51    2609252

Link

Replying To brayballer:  "We need a big man in the middle so we have to play one of Lahiff or POCB. I think its time for Dessie to make a big call on our goalkeeping issue.Clucko was/is a legend but its time to move on."
After all these years we still dont have a ready made replacement for Stevo.

Our backup goalies are ok but miles of him, and the likes of the Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan goalkeepers for example.

I agree - the new rules are not suiting Clucko though. And not a lot of time to put it right.
Although one could argue, if we had a better midfield, his job would be a hell of a lot easier.....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 13/05/2025 15:44:55    2609260

Link

Replying To brayballer:  "We need a big man in the middle so we have to play one of Lahiff or POCB. I think its time for Dessie to make a big call on our goalkeeping issue.Clucko was/is a legend but its time to move on."
Winning kick outs is also responsibikty of outfield and particularly midfielders under new rules.

Severe lack of intelligence in that quarter..That's not on Cluxton.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3528 - 13/05/2025 15:53:05    2609264

Link

Replying To Fionn:  "How can anyone suggest we play POCB in midfield again.???
Seriously....

He is miles off inter county standard.
Nothing against him but he is a club player at best.
No offence.

Playing him because of his height alone is bonkers."
I understand but Howard and Kilkenny while still great players would struggle with Galways aeriel power around the middle eight.Im only suggesting one of POCB or Lahiff.Not both.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 76 - 13/05/2025 16:54:55    2609299

Link