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Replying To noelpconnon:  "Calling a meeting while Chairman's on Holidays. But then after calling a meeting to decide then pushing it out another 10 days or so it ridiculous.

what happened to zoom meetings anyway

Meath Championship will have 2 at least rounds done when a decision is done and if there was a problem it was back in June or July the decision should be made

Brutal treatment of a Meath legend, He may be not everyone's cup of tea as a manager but he's there, he's willing to continue and that's what Meath needs.

it can't be always the managers fault Eamon O'Brien, Banty, Mick ODowd Andy McEntee and Now COR let the man continue for his term"
Brutal treatment?

He came in stating he wanted to beat Dublin within 2 years and be in Div 1. We can't say that he didn't know what the standard in the county was, he knows nearly every player in the county from Pats or managing Simonstown. How did he get that so wrong??? That was the first ref flag for me.

Give it to a Dub who has been involved with Jim Gavin, if they will take it on. Going by the standard of coaching and play in Meath club championship - nobody in the county is anywhere near qualified.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 18/08/2024 12:32:24    2565670

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Replying To nobull456:  "Would not be too concerned about media speculation anyway. They just want a story .I suggest Colm has been given the opportunity to improve the backroom team and come forward with his proposed plans for approval. That is the problem i.e. finding the people who can work as a team. Colm deserves the chance to try to improve things .He is wiser now perhaps ,as he was on a learning curve like everyone else. He said this himself and bring in help The CB are playing a waiting game for now and rightly so. They know options are limited anyway. My money says O Rourke to stay for year 3 anyway with a beefed up backroom team . Another few bob to say it will be done without any "importing" from outside the county."
Problem is players don't want him there, no matter who he gets in, so you'll have players leaving or staying but not playing for him. That won't work. Unfortunately nothing works without 100% commitment from players, so management will have to go. Fairly straight forward decision a month ago, can't see why it's been dragged out so long.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 938 - 18/08/2024 13:42:33    2565677

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "Problem is players don't want him there, no matter who he gets in, so you'll have players leaving or staying but not playing for him. That won't work. Unfortunately nothing works without 100% commitment from players, so management will have to go. Fairly straight forward decision a month ago, can't see why it's been dragged out so long."
A very very straightforward decision that should not have taken 10 weeks to make. Once you've lost the dressingroom, their is no going back. It was clear as day from watching Meath over the last two years that the players weren't playing for the manager. You didn't need a survey or ten weeks worth of reports to tell you that. If the manager stays this will get messy.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 18/08/2024 16:18:53    2565685

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "Problem is players don't want him there, no matter who he gets in, so you'll have players leaving or staying but not playing for him. That won't work. Unfortunately nothing works without 100% commitment from players, so management will have to go. Fairly straight forward decision a month ago, can't see why it's been dragged out so long."
Would you agree that the players are keen to have good coaches and that is their main concern. The manager would have learned that is vital and his job is to let the coaches do their job and co ordinate .If not he will not have the job in 12 months. Good ASSERTIVE coaches are scarce and not readily available. .I do NOT believe that Colm thinks he will survive if players are resistant to him as manager as rumoured. No manager is made to measure for the role in each case. Any manager with a resistance to learning to improve standards is not worth having either. Its the CBs call and it has to be very soon.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 18/08/2024 18:54:20    2565704

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Colm O'Rourke is basically running down the clock so that by the time it comes to the end of this review there won't be time to get a new manager so he will end up staying.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 18/08/2024 20:36:38    2565721

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Replying To nobull456:  "Would you agree that the players are keen to have good coaches and that is their main concern. The manager would have learned that is vital and his job is to let the coaches do their job and co ordinate .If not he will not have the job in 12 months. Good ASSERTIVE coaches are scarce and not readily available. .I do NOT believe that Colm thinks he will survive if players are resistant to him as manager as rumoured. No manager is made to measure for the role in each case. Any manager with a resistance to learning to improve standards is not worth having either. Its the CBs call and it has to be very soon."
It's fact, the players review was a majority thumbs down, and anonymity was even given up by many too..... culminating in 3 of the senior lads meeting with him to tell him he's not wanted basically. At that very point he should have walked. That was a couple of weeks ago.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 938 - 18/08/2024 21:51:01    2565728

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "only ex-players with a proven recent record of coaching"
Sad to see a post like this, but can you blame Green and Red? The county board did the same when they chose 17 men to do a course. These were supposed to be Elitist in regards their achievements. When you look closely some have under achieved and others not sure how they made the list. You will see the list of the official Meath Gaa website. Something I and a lot more coaches in Meath would of been interested in.

Greensheen (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 19/08/2024 08:38:14    2565756

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "Problem is players don't want him there, no matter who he gets in, so you'll have players leaving or staying but not playing for him. That won't work. Unfortunately nothing works without 100% commitment from players, so management will have to go. Fairly straight forward decision a month ago, can't see why it's been dragged out so long."
How is it that We keep making a Mess of things. The depressing part of all of this is that those tasked with managing the GAA affairs for the County , time & again end up in situations that never need to get to the point of absurdity/conflict/embarrassment . we seem to have no one with any real ability to communicate . How is it that the End is always a point of Conflict? ...a total mess...Im thoroughly dejected and disheartened. It doesn't boil down to COR, he is just part of It, No one seems to have the ability to rise above Personality , and steer a course of action or communication to avoid these situations. . This is going on 30 years

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 19/08/2024 12:03:15    2565800

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I fear we're going to have another Andy Mac scenario where he's given the nod for the next season then a coo happens in the CB later in the year then we're left with a big disjointed mess for the following season. Was it fairly conclusive from the players that COR didn't get the vote of confidence?

LowerHogan (Meath) - Posts: 45 - 19/08/2024 13:19:16    2565820

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "How is it that We keep making a Mess of things. The depressing part of all of this is that those tasked with managing the GAA affairs for the County , time & again end up in situations that never need to get to the point of absurdity/conflict/embarrassment . we seem to have no one with any real ability to communicate . How is it that the End is always a point of Conflict? ...a total mess...Im thoroughly dejected and disheartened. It doesn't boil down to COR, he is just part of It, No one seems to have the ability to rise above Personality , and steer a course of action or communication to avoid these situations. . This is going on 30 years"
Nail on the head. There's no accountability or leadership at county board level. I genuinely thought Colm could have been the one to bring that but at a 'director of football' type position overseeing the running of county board and bringing in sponsorship but instead we appointed him as our senior manager and now cant get rid of him. When we do eventually get rid of him i wouldn't be surprised if he wants nothing more to do with Meath gaa and that will be a huge opportunity/asset lost.
Last year the county board left enough of a grey area around club championship qualification which was embarrassing, instead of any accountability, how did it happen how do we fix it? They do the exact same thing in the very next competition with the A leagues this year. And now it looks like we're about to repeat the embarrassment we went through with Andy Mac vote of confidence again a few years later. The same mistakes over and over again.

mlc800 (Meath) - Posts: 61 - 19/08/2024 13:37:42    2565824

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Wont be Mickey Harte now anyway.

He is joining another Leinster team.....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4051 - 19/08/2024 17:46:53    2565870

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Mickey Harte appointed joint-manager of Offaly senior footballers..

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 19/08/2024 18:02:58    2565874

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Replying To LowerHogan:  "I fear we're going to have another Andy Mac scenario where he's given the nod for the next season then a coo happens in the CB later in the year then we're left with a big disjointed mess for the following season. Was it fairly conclusive from the players that COR didn't get the vote of confidence?"
By all reports it was .
If this goes the way its looking we'll have no players or supporters next year and Pairc Tailtean will look the same in ten years time .
I was a big COR fan really felt he could turn things around but I left Longford this year knowing he was the wrong man with the wrong coaches even though we won we were abysmal and void of any strategy that day
I'm shocked after the players vote against him and his selectors that he hasn't gone.

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 281 - 19/08/2024 18:06:45    2565875

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Replying To Fionn:  "Wont be Mickey Harte now anyway.

He is joining another Leinster team....."
I'd rather be bottom of Div 4 than have Micky Harte

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 281 - 20/08/2024 08:42:19    2565932

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Replying To mmc:  "By all reports it was .
If this goes the way its looking we'll have no players or supporters next year and Pairc Tailtean will look the same in ten years time .
I was a big COR fan really felt he could turn things around but I left Longford this year knowing he was the wrong man with the wrong coaches even though we won we were abysmal and void of any strategy that day
I'm shocked after the players vote against him and his selectors that he hasn't gone."
He's proud like a lot of his generation. He feels he can fix it. The thing I can't get my head around was the whole coaching set up from day 1. His biggest problem was he couldn't get any proven coaches in. I'm sure Colm would have went and looked for a Cian O'Neill, Rochford type coach...but why didn't he get one in? The Tailteann Cup is a poor level but at least it would show signs that there is a bit of promise player-wise so coaches should be in some way attracted to it. Now, is he been given time to assemble a decent ticket? Has he got men lined up and at the end of the month he proposes a new coaching ticket? Has he bought more time. Because right now, the Meath County Board would not have the foresight to speak to potential candidates. If COR goes at then end of the month, a list would be drawn up, interviews would be scheduled, then a person would be proposed as manager. That could take 2 months. I think they'll give him his Year 3. And the only blame I'd put on Colm is his lack of a proper coaching set up. I hear people saying he shouldn't have got the job in the first place. I think he should as I believed he would create a really good, professional set up and he'd attract the best coaches. It hasn't worked, but he won't walk away.

Tinchy1 (Meath) - Posts: 66 - 20/08/2024 08:47:09    2565933

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Replying To Tinchy1:  "He's proud like a lot of his generation. He feels he can fix it. The thing I can't get my head around was the whole coaching set up from day 1. His biggest problem was he couldn't get any proven coaches in. I'm sure Colm would have went and looked for a Cian O'Neill, Rochford type coach...but why didn't he get one in? The Tailteann Cup is a poor level but at least it would show signs that there is a bit of promise player-wise so coaches should be in some way attracted to it. Now, is he been given time to assemble a decent ticket? Has he got men lined up and at the end of the month he proposes a new coaching ticket? Has he bought more time. Because right now, the Meath County Board would not have the foresight to speak to potential candidates. If COR goes at then end of the month, a list would be drawn up, interviews would be scheduled, then a person would be proposed as manager. That could take 2 months. I think they'll give him his Year 3. And the only blame I'd put on Colm is his lack of a proper coaching set up. I hear people saying he shouldn't have got the job in the first place. I think he should as I believed he would create a really good, professional set up and he'd attract the best coaches. It hasn't worked, but he won't walk away."
Meath had a really good, professional set up before O'Rourke came in and when you look at the coaches involved in McEntee's last year compared to O'Rourkes last two years they are chalk and cheese. I can never understand this narrative that O'Rourke was coming in to lift Meath off the floor. Meath are now far lower than they were when he came in and O'Rourke arguably has better players to pick from than McEntee had. Meath got promoted from division 2 and were in the super 8s in 2019, very competitive against all opposition in Division 1 in 2020, then covid happened and things were thrown up in the air for 2020/2021 and then things went stale in 2022, which was triggered by another county board mess who tried to pull the rug out from underneath the manager late in the day.
How can Offaly manage to identify someone they want as manager/joint manager on a Friday, meet them over the weekend and then have them appointed by Monday afternoon? In Meath we need ten weeks to see if we want to keep our current set up and if they are going to have to find a manager that will take them another ten months.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 20/08/2024 09:43:16    2565942

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Meath had a really good, professional set up before O'Rourke came in and when you look at the coaches involved in McEntee's last year compared to O'Rourkes last two years they are chalk and cheese. I can never understand this narrative that O'Rourke was coming in to lift Meath off the floor. Meath are now far lower than they were when he came in and O'Rourke arguably has better players to pick from than McEntee had. Meath got promoted from division 2 and were in the super 8s in 2019, very competitive against all opposition in Division 1 in 2020, then covid happened and things were thrown up in the air for 2020/2021 and then things went stale in 2022, which was triggered by another county board mess who tried to pull the rug out from underneath the manager late in the day.
How can Offaly manage to identify someone they want as manager/joint manager on a Friday, meet them over the weekend and then have them appointed by Monday afternoon? In Meath we need ten weeks to see if we want to keep our current set up and if they are going to have to find a manager that will take them another ten months."
Let's no create an incorrect narrative here. Yes Meath were in Div 1 and super 8's but didn't manage to win a game in either, progress stalled and in fact there was a rate of decline in last two years.
I agree we are pretty low and possibly lower than when McEntee left it but still in Div. 2 which is not a bad starting point and lots of good new players at least individually.
Offaly clearly have direction and leadership in Michael Duignan at the helm.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 594 - 20/08/2024 10:28:42    2565953

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All this management talk got me thinking about who would be a good appointment for either a new coaching ticket or (more likely at this stage) one final attempt by COR to get things right. This is a non-exhaustive list and some would fit in as backroom figures, others as head coaches/managers in their own right. Interested to hear thoughts on these or other suggestions. And yes, some of the names are ridiculous but sure that's part of the craic when nothing is decided.

Malachy O'Rourke must be licking his lips at the prospect of experimental rules next year. For one of the game's few true tactical minds 2025 must represent a one-off opportunity to get a massive edge through tactical innovation

Conleith Gilligan, on the shortlist for the Derry gig. Came on board with Armagh as a coach and was a coach when Kilcoo won club championship in 2022

Barry Dillon managed UU to the Sigerson Cup win last year, their first win in 16 years

Jason Sherlock was involved with Westmeath as 'performance coach' for past two seasons. Of the AI series also-rans they at least put up a challenge to the big guns.

Oisin McConville and Andy Moran both possible gets (between the Armagh job being locked down by Geezer and Moran quitting Leitrim) and both well respected and knowledgeable about the modern game

Brian Farrell, who I've mentioned before, but I just like the combination of being from Meath, but coaching in Dublin!

Mick Bohan, did great things with Dublin ladies and worked as skills coach with Dublin men and with Colm Collins for Clare. 

Declan Darcy, apparently the man most Dublin players want to succeed Dessie and heavily involved throughout all their success. His work with Leinster gives him a fresh perspective too. Brian Cullen another man with experience with Leinster recently.

Shane Horgan, feck it. Thinking outside the box. Someone who cares about Meath football and might bring a fresh perspective as a small part of a coaching team.

MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 20/08/2024 16:29:29    2566036

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Replying To MeathAbroad:  "All this management talk got me thinking about who would be a good appointment for either a new coaching ticket or (more likely at this stage) one final attempt by COR to get things right. This is a non-exhaustive list and some would fit in as backroom figures, others as head coaches/managers in their own right. Interested to hear thoughts on these or other suggestions. And yes, some of the names are ridiculous but sure that's part of the craic when nothing is decided.

Malachy O'Rourke must be licking his lips at the prospect of experimental rules next year. For one of the game's few true tactical minds 2025 must represent a one-off opportunity to get a massive edge through tactical innovation

Conleith Gilligan, on the shortlist for the Derry gig. Came on board with Armagh as a coach and was a coach when Kilcoo won club championship in 2022

Barry Dillon managed UU to the Sigerson Cup win last year, their first win in 16 years

Jason Sherlock was involved with Westmeath as 'performance coach' for past two seasons. Of the AI series also-rans they at least put up a challenge to the big guns.

Oisin McConville and Andy Moran both possible gets (between the Armagh job being locked down by Geezer and Moran quitting Leitrim) and both well respected and knowledgeable about the modern game

Brian Farrell, who I've mentioned before, but I just like the combination of being from Meath, but coaching in Dublin!

Mick Bohan, did great things with Dublin ladies and worked as skills coach with Dublin men and with Colm Collins for Clare. 

Declan Darcy, apparently the man most Dublin players want to succeed Dessie and heavily involved throughout all their success. His work with Leinster gives him a fresh perspective too. Brian Cullen another man with experience with Leinster recently.

Shane Horgan, feck it. Thinking outside the box. Someone who cares about Meath football and might bring a fresh perspective as a small part of a coaching team."
You were doing so well up until you mentioned Shane Horgan!

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 387 - 20/08/2024 17:23:36    2566047

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Replying To Selwyn:  "You were doing so well up until you mentioned Shane Horgan!"
I agree. How do we even know he cares about Meath football...

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 20/08/2024 21:32:16    2566075

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