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Replying To MarkMyWords:  "I'd back you to do a decent job all the same if nominated.

Joking aside, I couldn't agree more. Also, what if an outstanding candidate is interested in the role but hasn't been nominated? Can they approach a club to seek a nomination? What if they've no affiliation to any club in Meath? Can the CB themselves approach interested parties if they haven't received a nomination? Several flaws in the process alright."
Funny you should say that. I bumped into probably the best coach on Dublin club scene (he coached the Dublin team for 2 of their recent All Irelands) and half seriously/half joking asked if he wanted the Meath job. He said "well nobody was in touch". Even if he'd said yeah I'd fancy that (which I actually think he would), sure how would he apply? For most other counties it's an open application and is advertised. Surely that makes more sense. I genuinely think we are not getting to interview serious talent by this weird process.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 03/09/2024 14:53:44    2568245

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Funny you should say that. I bumped into probably the best coach on Dublin club scene (he coached the Dublin team for 2 of their recent All Irelands) and half seriously/half joking asked if he wanted the Meath job. He said "well nobody was in touch". Even if he'd said yeah I'd fancy that (which I actually think he would), sure how would he apply? For most other counties it's an open application and is advertised. Surely that makes more sense. I genuinely think we are not getting to interview serious talent by this weird process."
Ask you club to send in the nomination to the County Secretary. All clubs got an email which outlines the process. You had to speak to any potential candidates to ensure that they are willing to let there name go forward and it seems that the conversation confirms that this person might be interested. I don't care where the person is from all I want is for the team to compete again.

Nothingbutthetruth (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 03/09/2024 16:29:57    2568269

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Robbie Brennan would be a good shout.

I hear Jason Sherlock is looking for a county managers role. He has experience with both Dessie and Jim Gavin so he has first hand experience of preparing the very best team in the country to win all irelands. He knows the standards that have to be met. We definitely should consider him even if it would be a hard pill to swallow having a Dub in charge but look where Louth are going under Ger Brennan as an example."
I would expect the selection panel will have drawn up key skills required and all relevant qualifications as a weeding out mechanism and a key part of their preparation , Candidates called for interview should expect a heavy emphasis on areas to display man management skills projection. The role relies very heavily on man management. Theories and pundidry skills are NICE to have, but good man management, and the ability to learn and develop are MUST have qualities. So WHO the candidate is does not matter really, but how and where they meet the needs of the job is EVERYTHING! I think the interviews will be challenging and rightly so. It is a big honour carrying massive responsibility .

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 03/09/2024 17:55:54    2568288

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Funny you should say that. I bumped into probably the best coach on Dublin club scene (he coached the Dublin team for 2 of their recent All Irelands) and half seriously/half joking asked if he wanted the Meath job. He said "well nobody was in touch". Even if he'd said yeah I'd fancy that (which I actually think he would), sure how would he apply? For most other counties it's an open application and is advertised. Surely that makes more sense. I genuinely think we are not getting to interview serious talent by this weird process."
Case in point right there. The barriers to getting one's name in the hat means we could miss out on some really credible candidates. Open application as you said would allow us to cast the net wider.

I don't know why it's up to the clubs to nominate candidates. Some clubs may not even have an interest in the county scene. I'd sooner trust HS posters to nominate the best candidates ha!

MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 516 - 03/09/2024 21:41:12    2568318

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The knowledge of Meath football I was talking about was who is playing well etc and deserves to be looked at or coxed back in. For example Lavin, Shane Mc and Harnan are all playing great football and if I was the new manager I'd be trying to get them I'm even if it was for two or three years.

The big thing for me would be getting all the best 40/45 footballers in Meath playing with the county and getting them into a system in which we can be competitive and go on to win games against teams who would be better than us.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 03/09/2024 22:25:57    2568324

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Robbie Brennan would be a good shout.

I hear Jason Sherlock is looking for a county managers role. He has experience with both Dessie and Jim Gavin so he has first hand experience of preparing the very best team in the country to win all irelands. He knows the standards that have to be met. We definitely should consider him even if it would be a hard pill to swallow having a Dub in charge but look where Louth are going under Ger Brennan as an example."
And this is exactly the attitude of so many meath fans..... not a Dub no way...

You do realise Robbie is a Dub, albeit living in Meath quite a while.

In my opinion he is the man for the job.

Time to swallow your pride and let a Dub manage the meath team, if a Dub is the best candidate for the job.

And dont discount Mick Bohan...

I personally think Lar Wall will get the job - but either way, he or Robbie will be a massive improvement on COR

There is clearly talented players on the Meath team.
No way Louth should be better than Meath.
No offence to any Louth fans. But no.
Louth are just managed and coached better.....

This appointment for Meath is so crucial.
Cannot be in this situation again in 2 or 3 years.,
Develop the good young talent and get back to where Meath need to be - competing at a higher level.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4051 - 04/09/2024 08:46:43    2568342

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It's a bit like the story of years ago when a school board of management met to discuss the criteria for interviews to appoint a new teacher and at the start of the meeting, the Parish Priest says "she is coming Monday morning".
The new manager has already been offered the job and the nominations by today is only going through the motions.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 04/09/2024 09:51:32    2568353

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Replying To madmeath:  "It's a bit like the story of years ago when a school board of management met to discuss the criteria for interviews to appoint a new teacher and at the start of the meeting, the Parish Priest says "she is coming Monday morning".
The new manager has already been offered the job and the nominations by today is only going through the motions."
So who is the man who has been already offered the job so ?

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 04/09/2024 10:06:51    2568356

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"It's a combination of old and new. Under the old rules, you had to be nominated by a club and the new way is that you can headhunt who you want and people can come into consideration either way."

That's a quote from Ciaran Flynn about the prcess. If the headhunting is done well then the club nominations will make little to no difference. I just hope, if nothing else, the new management has ambitious plans. Ambitious doesn't need to mean winning All-Irelands or beating the Dubs. It could simply be something like "no team will be fitter than us" or "no team will outsmart us". Something achievable that will just take hard work and buy-in from the players.

Meath will get back to the big time by either A) sustained player development, strength & conditioning programmes and reformed club championship structures by a county board doing everything well or B) a great management set-up getting players to overperform and the enthusiasm and money this generates allows some or all of A to happen despite the country board.

I'm increasingly of the view that B is the far more realistic option.

MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 04/09/2024 10:17:20    2568362

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Replying To Fionn:  "And this is exactly the attitude of so many meath fans..... not a Dub no way...

You do realise Robbie is a Dub, albeit living in Meath quite a while.

In my opinion he is the man for the job.

Time to swallow your pride and let a Dub manage the meath team, if a Dub is the best candidate for the job.

And dont discount Mick Bohan...

I personally think Lar Wall will get the job - but either way, he or Robbie will be a massive improvement on COR

There is clearly talented players on the Meath team.
No way Louth should be better than Meath.
No offence to any Louth fans. But no.
Louth are just managed and coached better.....

This appointment for Meath is so crucial.
Cannot be in this situation again in 2 or 3 years.,
Develop the good young talent and get back to where Meath need to be - competing at a higher level."
Is Robbie Brennan not a Dub living in Dunboyne

Nothingbutthetruth (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 04/09/2024 10:47:03    2568370

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "The knowledge of Meath football I was talking about was who is playing well etc and deserves to be looked at or coxed back in. For example Lavin, Shane Mc and Harnan are all playing great football and if I was the new manager I'd be trying to get them I'm even if it was for two or three years.

The big thing for me would be getting all the best 40/45 footballers in Meath playing with the county and getting them into a system in which we can be competitive and go on to win games against teams who would be better than us."
Lavin was in and didn't get back into the team.

Nothingbutthetruth (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 04/09/2024 10:48:31    2568371

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Pat Spillane coming out and saying CoR is no longer in the job due to ageism is laughable, Spillane is a complete contradiction to himself as on one hand he canvases about ageism and on the other he's the stereotypical grumpy old man that complains about everything in the modern game and reminisces on everything from the past. If CoR wasn't his RTE buddy and similar age profile would he be so generous in his assessment of the past 2yrs? Not a hope, if it was a younger, relatively unknown manager he'd have throw them and the team under the bus.

LowerHogan (Meath) - Posts: 45 - 04/09/2024 11:28:01    2568382

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Replying To LowerHogan:  "Pat Spillane coming out and saying CoR is no longer in the job due to ageism is laughable, Spillane is a complete contradiction to himself as on one hand he canvases about ageism and on the other he's the stereotypical grumpy old man that complains about everything in the modern game and reminisces on everything from the past. If CoR wasn't his RTE buddy and similar age profile would he be so generous in his assessment of the past 2yrs? Not a hope, if it was a younger, relatively unknown manager he'd have throw them and the team under the bus."
Pat Spillane cut the legs off Mickey Harte last week for joining Offaly and said it would end in tears. Mickey Harte if I am not wrong is an older man than Colm O'Rourke. Yet he defends O'Rourke to the hilt despite clearly not having a clue as how bad things were under him in Meath and just blames O'Rourkes removal from the job on ageism. Pat Spillane is best ignored. He has spent the last thirty years as a pundit getting it wrong and just making personal comments and sound bites.

Himself, O'Rourke and Brolly had the run on GAA punditry in Ireland for over twenty years where there was basically no other GAA pundits or commentators on the scene and they dicated the publics opinion on games. They no longer have that platform.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 04/09/2024 12:31:04    2568393

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Now that the window for nominations has closed, I would hope that the new manager is in place well before the quarter final weekend in the football championships.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 04/09/2024 22:47:13    2568497

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Now that the window for nominations has closed, I would hope that the new manager is in place well before the quarter final weekend in the football championships."
Its the "hope" that kills you.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 05/09/2024 11:14:18    2568548

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Replying To Rickoshay:  "Its the "hope" that kills you."
Tyrone's management stepped down the day after Colm O'Rourke, and they have their man already, with Malachy O'Rourke more than likely being officially appointed next Tuesday. It's just to much to ask in Meath for swift decisions to be made. Nearly three months since Meath were beaten by Monaghan and we still don't have manager in place for 2025.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 05/09/2024 11:35:34    2568556

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Tyrone's management stepped down the day after Colm O'Rourke, and they have their man already, with Malachy O'Rourke more than likely being officially appointed next Tuesday. It's just to much to ask in Meath for swift decisions to be made. Nearly three months since Meath were beaten by Monaghan and we still don't have manager in place for 2025."
Too many lads in there without the best interest of meath senior footballers at heart. Serious club politics and lads only interested in making sure their own club is sorted, which is important, don't get me wrong, but shouldn't stop the county team progressing.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 938 - 05/09/2024 15:07:04    2568598

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Any rumours about nominations for the job or anyone know who's interested . Surely the people over the review committee had someone in mind when they knew the review procedure would ultimately see the end of ORourke .

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 281 - 08/09/2024 10:28:44    2568897

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Meath football by Dermot Crowe in to days Independent
Must admit i consider the article fair and balanced.....Just one issue.Colm left in "peculiar"circumstances ?? Colm said himself that if no improvement in 2 years he would walk away anyway. What is "peculiar about that?? I admire the man for that,its not what he wanted but its a results based BUSINESS nowadays. Colm gave it his best shot when we were at almost rock bottom.
I find the analysis fair including where we are coming back to terms with coaching after the Bolnan era.I think thats fair about 20 years of neglect and indifference to proper coaching standards. I think 3 officials on the CB seem to be starting to sit up and take notice .That is welcome . Standards driven thinking is refreshing. No doubt there will be opposition when you try to lead ,but objectivity is never objectionable.
Somehow there may be more enthusism for a proper selection procedure even if there is no probalility of a stampede of applicants.. The job is half done already when you recognise the problem and accept sticking plasters just dont work. The best of luck to the officials..just go for it lads. Excuses just dont work either. The latest one of not enough time? I dont accept that either. Lets just start thinking about competency levels instead of excuses

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 08/09/2024 13:41:46    2568921

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Replying To mmc:  "Any rumours about nominations for the job or anyone know who's interested . Surely the people over the review committee had someone in mind when they knew the review procedure would ultimately see the end of ORourke ."
The CB chairman was interviewed on LMFM earlier and stated that 2 nominations were received from clubs, and all but confirmed that they were those of Brennan and Wall. He added that they can look beyond this for candidates should they so wish, but indicated that only 2 or 3 would be interviewed in any case. He said that previous intercounty experience was desirable and that interviews would take place in the next week or two. Anyone invited to interview must be able to reveal the makeup of their core backroom team in order to be considered for the role.

MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 516 - 08/09/2024 17:20:26    2568948

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