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Replying To SillySimonsOpinion: "Senior Championship:
Summerhill look the best of the bunch once again this year and will be hoping to go back to back. I've liked Dunshaughlin last year and still fancy them to come close this year once they have Grey and Kinsella up to full fitness they'll be tough to stop with classy players all over the field. Dunboyne to also come close.
Winners: Summerhill
2nd pick: Dunshaughlin
Dark Horses: Ballinabracky
Relegated: Rathkenny
Intermediate:
This championship is wide open and there for anyone to take. I think it's between Moynalvey, St Pats and Duleek. Although Duleek haven't got going yet you can never write them off with the players they have and are yet to play their best 15. Kilbride will have ambitions but are met with their first proper test at this level with St Michael's in the first game which will show us where they stand, Potentially a team that could do very well but haven't been challenged.
Winners: Moynalvey
2nd: Duleek
Dark Horses: Kilbride/St Michael's
Relegated: Nobber
Junior Championship:
Another tough one to call but I think Clann na Gael should have just enough to get over the line this time with a full fit team, Slane are a good side too bit looked poor in the league final. Dunderry will have big ambitions to get back up to where they feel they should be. Ballinlough will want to make a push also but just lacking slightly still in with a big shout I think
Winners: Clann na Gael
2nd: Ballinlough
Dark Horses: Slane
Relegated: Moylagh
Junior B:
Moynalty are sureky going to get the job done here? won't be really easy but with a full team I don't see them losing this.
Winners: Moynalty
2nd: Kilmainhamwood" Relegation from Senior is a hard one to call, but I wouldn't rule out Simonstown if results don't go their way early on.
madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 31/07/2024 20:41:15
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Replying To SillySimonsOpinion: "Senior Championship:
Summerhill look the best of the bunch once again this year and will be hoping to go back to back. I've liked Dunshaughlin last year and still fancy them to come close this year once they have Grey and Kinsella up to full fitness they'll be tough to stop with classy players all over the field. Dunboyne to also come close.
Winners: Summerhill
2nd pick: Dunshaughlin
Dark Horses: Ballinabracky
Relegated: Rathkenny
Intermediate:
This championship is wide open and there for anyone to take. I think it's between Moynalvey, St Pats and Duleek. Although Duleek haven't got going yet you can never write them off with the players they have and are yet to play their best 15. Kilbride will have ambitions but are met with their first proper test at this level with St Michael's in the first game which will show us where they stand, Potentially a team that could do very well but haven't been challenged.
Winners: Moynalvey
2nd: Duleek
Dark Horses: Kilbride/St Michael's
Relegated: Nobber
Junior Championship:
Another tough one to call but I think Clann na Gael should have just enough to get over the line this time with a full fit team, Slane are a good side too bit looked poor in the league final. Dunderry will have big ambitions to get back up to where they feel they should be. Ballinlough will want to make a push also but just lacking slightly still in with a big shout I think
Winners: Clann na Gael
2nd: Ballinlough
Dark Horses: Slane
Relegated: Moylagh
Junior B:
Moynalty are sureky going to get the job done here? won't be really easy but with a full team I don't see them losing this.
Winners: Moynalty
2nd: Kilmainhamwood" Ratoath loving this
Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 31/07/2024 21:25:29
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Replying To Awaywin: "Ratoath loving this" Ratoath at full tilt will win it out.
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 31/07/2024 21:42:38
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Can anybody explain to me the rationale of having St Ultans having lost a Junior A relegation game stay in Junior A for this year leaving Junior B with 9 teams and 8 teams from 9 getting out of the group into quarter finals. Why were Ultans kept up in Junior A does anybody know the rationale behind it?
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 01/08/2024 11:02:23
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Can anybody explain to me the rationale of having St Ultans having lost a Junior A relegation game stay in Junior A for this year leaving Junior B with 9 teams and 8 teams from 9 getting out of the group into quarter finals. Why were Ultans kept up in Junior A does anybody know the rationale behind it?" It was a re-grading of championships. There was meant to be 10 teams in Junior A i think and Moynalty also were offered to go up to Junior A but they want to win it on merit i believe.
LettuceBFrank (Meath) - Posts: 19 - 01/08/2024 12:30:31
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In relation to our 16 Senior Championship teams and those team's future hopes on the basis of young players coming through.
8 of the 16 clubs did not have any representation on the 34 man Meath Minor Championship panel in 2024.
7 of the 16 clubs did not have any representation on the 37 man Meath Under 20 Championship panel in 2024.
5 of the 16 clubs (including the current champions) did not have any representation on either the Minor or Under 20 panels and only 5 clubs had representation on both.
madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 02/08/2024 09:40:19
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Can anybody explain to me the rationale of having St Ultans having lost a Junior A relegation game stay in Junior A for this year leaving Junior B with 9 teams and 8 teams from 9 getting out of the group into quarter finals. Why were Ultans kept up in Junior A does anybody know the rationale behind it?" So what ur saying is 8 out of 9 go to quarter finals in the junior b, surely this can't be the case,so basically 1 team from each of the 3 groups could lose both games but 2 of them will qualify for 1/4 finals whoever loses by the least amount,that has to be a joke
royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 02/08/2024 10:59:40
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Replying To madmeath: "In relation to our 16 Senior Championship teams and those team's future hopes on the basis of young players coming through.
8 of the 16 clubs did not have any representation on the 34 man Meath Minor Championship panel in 2024.
7 of the 16 clubs did not have any representation on the 37 man Meath Under 20 Championship panel in 2024.
5 of the 16 clubs (including the current champions) did not have any representation on either the Minor or Under 20 panels and only 5 clubs had representation on both." Few things to unpack in there.
First some players are not interested in playing in county panels, or may have been initially on panel and excused themselves for one reason or another.
Secondly they are good players in intermediate, junior and even junior B teams. Historically some of our prominent players have come from lower graded clubs. And may out perform a senior player in same role or position. So that MAY go some way to explaining it?
What's probably more concerning from county level, is where or what level is our senior competition at?
Junior and intermediate teams have done well enough in Leinster competition. Seniors teams haven't really had same impact.
Is this a symptom of the sheer number of smaller clubs draining talent away from senior teams?
Junior B championship is basically a north Meath affair
9 teams, 7 based in north Meath?
Junior championship is another north Meath affair
11 teams, roughly 8 based in north Meath?
Then only senior team in north Meath is Gael Colmcille.
Tones are not North Meath before any one goes off on one. By Meath Gaa regions.
Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 94 - 02/08/2024 13:40:29
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Replying To Meathooooo: "Few things to unpack in there.
First some players are not interested in playing in county panels, or may have been initially on panel and excused themselves for one reason or another.
Secondly they are good players in intermediate, junior and even junior B teams. Historically some of our prominent players have come from lower graded clubs. And may out perform a senior player in same role or position. So that MAY go some way to explaining it?
What's probably more concerning from county level, is where or what level is our senior competition at?
Junior and intermediate teams have done well enough in Leinster competition. Seniors teams haven't really had same impact.
Is this a symptom of the sheer number of smaller clubs draining talent away from senior teams?
Junior B championship is basically a north Meath affair
9 teams, 7 based in north Meath?
Junior championship is another north Meath affair
11 teams, roughly 8 based in north Meath?
Then only senior team in north Meath is Gael Colmcille.
Tones are not North Meath before any one goes off on one. By Meath Gaa regions." Would you consider Rathkenny to be north Meath? I certainly would so that's 2. It borders on the county boundary with Collon.
3rdmanin (Meath) - Posts: 19 - 02/08/2024 17:03:02
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Replying To 3rdmanin: "Would you consider Rathkenny to be north Meath? I certainly would so that's 2. It borders on the county boundary with Collon." I don't think so to be honest. It's part of Boyne Valley in regional, with Slane and almost certain it's not in North Meath region by Meath Gaa "borders" Again open to correction, I'm sure Meath have offical designated North South East West Central areas.
Even if RK were in NM, its still poor reflection on NM that only "two" clubs senior.
Maybe we are better off with more smaller clubs, but I don't think we are, logic don't back that theory up.
Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 94 - 02/08/2024 23:40:43
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By any objective measure, Rathkenny is in the North of the county.
On the topic of "too many clubs": If the sole objective is to have clubs act as a feeder into county panels, then yes, by all means cut the number of clubs in the county down to 20, or even 10.
If on the other hand the local club is viewed as a representation of, and social outlet serving the local community, then I would argue that there can never be too many clubs.
As a county, if we concentrated more on coaching the items listed below, we would reap the rewards. The more clubs concentrating on these things the better. Not the opposite: super clubs who only concentrate on the elite.
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Tactical awareness
Athletic development
oceanofnoise (Meath) - Posts: 52 - 03/08/2024 12:08:04
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Replying To oceanofnoise: "By any objective measure, Rathkenny is in the North of the county.
On the topic of "too many clubs": If the sole objective is to have clubs act as a feeder into county panels, then yes, by all means cut the number of clubs in the county down to 20, or even 10.
If on the other hand the local club is viewed as a representation of, and social outlet serving the local community, then I would argue that there can never be too many clubs.
As a county, if we concentrated more on coaching the items listed below, we would reap the rewards. The more clubs concentrating on these things the better. Not the opposite: super clubs who only concentrate on the elite.
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Tactical awareness
Athletic development" I would add to that list, positive, welcoming, encouraging & supportive environment. Players need to be treated properly and with respect by management, coaches and club officials and not be turned off by people with bad attitudes within a club.
You will find a lot of players leave set ups, not because of bad coaching but because they were ill treated.
madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 03/08/2024 13:58:47
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Replying To oceanofnoise: "By any objective measure, Rathkenny is in the North of the county.
On the topic of "too many clubs": If the sole objective is to have clubs act as a feeder into county panels, then yes, by all means cut the number of clubs in the county down to 20, or even 10.
If on the other hand the local club is viewed as a representation of, and social outlet serving the local community, then I would argue that there can never be too many clubs.
As a county, if we concentrated more on coaching the items listed below, we would reap the rewards. The more clubs concentrating on these things the better. Not the opposite: super clubs who only concentrate on the elite.
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Skills
Tactical awareness
Athletic development" Eh I think that's what GDO do, put on skills tactical and systems of play work shops, weekly for clubs in clubs!
Attendance is poor in some areas at these events.
If RK is north meath, which it's not, it's still only two senior clubs in NM.
Alternative to reducing clubs overall. Reduce number of senior clubs?
To be honest I'd imagine the lads in Ballinacree, and Moylagh head for Oldcastle for a pint. So I'd imagine heading there to play a higher standard of football wouldn't be an issue. Same in Kells, same in Trim.......
Just think of this way, young talented footballer, heading to a pitch to train with 8 or 9 lads in February.
It's not 1983 any more lads, wake up.
Romantic ideas of multiple clubs in parishes is the ruining standards.
Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 94 - 03/08/2024 20:02:08
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Replying To Meathooooo: "Eh I think that's what GDO do, put on skills tactical and systems of play work shops, weekly for clubs in clubs!
Attendance is poor in some areas at these events.
If RK is north meath, which it's not, it's still only two senior clubs in NM.
Alternative to reducing clubs overall. Reduce number of senior clubs?
To be honest I'd imagine the lads in Ballinacree, and Moylagh head for Oldcastle for a pint. So I'd imagine heading there to play a higher standard of football wouldn't be an issue. Same in Kells, same in Trim.......
Just think of this way, young talented footballer, heading to a pitch to train with 8 or 9 lads in February.
It's not 1983 any more lads, wake up.
Romantic ideas of multiple clubs in parishes is the ruining standards." You've some chip on your shoulder with North Meath, they must have roughed you up in Kilmainhamwood or Ballincree
UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 04/08/2024 09:32:42
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "You've some chip on your shoulder with North Meath, they must have roughed you up in Kilmainhamwood or Ballincree" There are too many clubs in Meath playing an awful standard. That starts with the rubbish standards in training where they are wasting their time. Are any of these intermediate anbd junior players improving as footballers? No. Is the standard improving? No. That's what you get training with on average 12 players of highly varying degrees of ability for 9 months of the year.
Look at the end of the day, most GAA club players just want the bit of club gear with their initials on it and then to show up a summers evening and throw a few shapes. Most have no idea how to improve as footballers and would rather hold onto the club colours where they get a game than genuinely challenge themselves by amalgamating into a bigger selection pool and a more competitive environment. That's the psyche. If they were in a Dublin club with 8/9 adult teams they'd be lost to the game most likely. Not sure there is anything wrong with that but let's not feign bewilderment at how utterly bad football in the county is.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 04/08/2024 14:30:25
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Replying To Meathooooo: "Eh I think that's what GDO do, put on skills tactical and systems of play work shops, weekly for clubs in clubs!
Attendance is poor in some areas at these events.
If RK is north meath, which it's not, it's still only two senior clubs in NM.
Alternative to reducing clubs overall. Reduce number of senior clubs?
To be honest I'd imagine the lads in Ballinacree, and Moylagh head for Oldcastle for a pint. So I'd imagine heading there to play a higher standard of football wouldn't be an issue. Same in Kells, same in Trim.......
Just think of this way, young talented footballer, heading to a pitch to train with 8 or 9 lads in February.
It's not 1983 any more lads, wake up.
Romantic ideas of multiple clubs in parishes is the ruining standards." Maybe if there are some people from Rathkenny on here they can advise if they consider that part of the county to be in North Meath. Looking at it on a map, I would say that it's fairly obvious where Rathkenny sits....
I won't disagree with you about members of different clubs socialising together, but I would strongly disagree with your stance on disbanding smaller clubs.
On your (incomplete) point about the young fella heading to train with 8 or 9 others in February: I presume you mean that he will never progress in his football/hurling "career"? My argument to that would be: if he wants to succeed, he'll find a way to do so, regardless of his environment.
I would be very careful in wishing for a Meath GAA landscape which only consists of big "superclubs". Our local clubs are part of our identity, history, tradition. Certainly, we must all be looking forward and working together to improve Meath GAA as a whole. But getting rid of the so-called smaller clubs is definitely not the way forward. Not by a long shot.
oceanofnoise (Meath) - Posts: 52 - 04/08/2024 14:32:53
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On the geography of where Meath clubs sit, it's fairly obvious the North Meath clubs.
No one on here seems to have an issue with Cortown, Ultans, St Mary's, St Paul's, Clonard, Slane, Dunsany playing junior football and not improving their standards but when it comes to the North Meath clubs everyone is up in arms.
I've no issues with any of the clubs listed above or any club in Meath. I'm an East Meath man (Some on here would probably question that given their thoughts on Rathkenny)
There are 16 senior clubs with about 300 senior footballers.
Dublin have 32 senior clubs with 600 senior footballers.
Louth and Westmeath have have about 250 senior footballers and are competitive.
Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Donegal have about 300 senior footballers.
Having more senior footballers won't improve the standard, better coaching at club level will.
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This thread is drowsy off topic
Bring your geography arguments somewhere else
Dunshaughlin and dunboyne to have a say this year
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Replying To Awaywin: "This thread is drowsy off topic
Bring your geography arguments somewhere else
Dunshaughlin and dunboyne to have a say this year" True it's gone off on a tangent.
Dunshaughlin for senior.
St Pats for intermediate
North Meath for the rest ;)
Let's celebrate mediocrity
Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 94 - 04/08/2024 18:10:57
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Senior:
Winner- Summerhill - Strong league with the most balanced team at senior level. Solid in defence with some great man markers and ball carriers. Have the best management team in the county and are a well coached team with the best squad shown in last years final by trusting there bench to win the game. The team with the best defence usually wins championships and if they can keep there key men fit and there forwards click cant see them be beaten.
Finalist - Wolfe tones
Dark horses - dunshaughlin
Underachievers - ashbourne
Overachievers - Trim
Relegation- rathkenny
Intermediate:
Winner- wide open championship so alot will depend on injuries and if a team can hit form at the right time. Teams in with a shout of winning it outright would be, st pats, moynalvey, oldcastle. Going to tip st pats to get over the line and get back up to senior. Few very talented players have made the step up to there side over the past 2 years with meath underage experience. Have the most settled management team with there managers at the helm for the past 3 seasons slowly improving year on year.
Finalist- moynalvey
Underachievers- Duleek bellewstown
Overachievers- ballivor
Relegation- nobber
Junior A:
The most unpredictable championship of the 4. There is easily 7 teams that feel they can go on and win it. St vincents, syddan & ballinlough would be my top 3 sides in contention. Syddan playing at the highest grade in the league should stand to them playing games at a higher pace and physicality than most of there opponents playing down in divisions 4&5. St vincents had a great league campaign gaining promotion to division 2 and well be a hard team to beat. With ballinlough alot will depend on injuries and how they are going in the hurling. Going for st vincents to win it.
Finalist- syddan
Underachievers- dunderry
Overachievers - slane
Relegation- st ultans
Junior B:
Winners - moynalty- the best team at this grade by along way. Stand out team have way to much for all teams at this level and will easily win it
Finalist- carnaross
Underachievers- cortown
Overachievers- kilmainhamwood
Thoughts???
Meath4Sam2020 (Meath) - Posts: 141 - 04/08/2024 19:26:00
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