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Two back to back poor performances, questions need to be asked about what we are doing, miles off the pace tonight and last Wednesday. Do we not have the players? Or is coaching etc?

CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 03/04/2024 22:51:26    2535473

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Replying To longroadback:  "Certainly not going to be critical of the players involved, they are only children after all. I would however question the wisdom of the county board who have structures in place with regards the academy where from under 14 a group of coaches look after a team and then are discarded for a new management team for minor after working with players for 3 years. Having been at the game the other night, I could not tell you what way the team were supposed to be playing. The players looked very poorly prepared and the set up had to take responsibility for this. Is it normal that from last years Gerry Reilly final there were so many changes?"
I think it was late last year when the footballing committee proposed that no 16's would be called into the minor squads and that only proper age lads would play at the grade. They also shared their vision with the county board that night and it was that the u17 would be solely for development and that the u20s would focusing on winning along with, obviously our seniors.

I can see their thinking behind it but sometime an extra little bit of flair or quality from the year under can get you over the line. Also a few years back the player pathway was launched and we brought in a new head of S&C and sports science. Fast forward 2 years and this person has now left. All sorts of rumours why but you would think that if you get someone in who is top with that field then you would let him do his job.

Totally agree with the manager situation, it appears that they use you and then give it to one of the boys at minor grade. I think the footballing committee are out dated and are making to many recommendations across the board. There even now deciding the teams that are in the leagues. What's the criteria for becoming a manager in Meath? Not all great footballers make great managers.

This team went well in the Gerry Reilly and then come minor they change the management team and there now struggling. I wonder how many lads from the Gerry Reilly squad are still involved. These lads are just kids and it appears that they were having to process to many systems, sometimes you just need to let them express themselves.

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 04/04/2024 08:16:50    2535487

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Replying To 199710:  "I think it was late last year when the footballing committee proposed that no 16's would be called into the minor squads and that only proper age lads would play at the grade. They also shared their vision with the county board that night and it was that the u17 would be solely for development and that the u20s would focusing on winning along with, obviously our seniors.

I can see their thinking behind it but sometime an extra little bit of flair or quality from the year under can get you over the line. Also a few years back the player pathway was launched and we brought in a new head of S&C and sports science. Fast forward 2 years and this person has now left. All sorts of rumours why but you would think that if you get someone in who is top with that field then you would let him do his job.

Totally agree with the manager situation, it appears that they use you and then give it to one of the boys at minor grade. I think the footballing committee are out dated and are making to many recommendations across the board. There even now deciding the teams that are in the leagues. What's the criteria for becoming a manager in Meath? Not all great footballers make great managers.

This team went well in the Gerry Reilly and then come minor they change the management team and there now struggling. I wonder how many lads from the Gerry Reilly squad are still involved. These lads are just kids and it appears that they were having to process to many systems, sometimes you just need to let them express themselves."
Absolutely agree, a shambles last night, hard to believe this is the same group that beat Louth off the pitch only a few short months ago. No spark, no room for lads to individually express themselves, a disaster of a night.

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 04/04/2024 08:49:37    2535493

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Replying To 199710:  "I think it was late last year when the footballing committee proposed that no 16's would be called into the minor squads and that only proper age lads would play at the grade. They also shared their vision with the county board that night and it was that the u17 would be solely for development and that the u20s would focusing on winning along with, obviously our seniors.

I can see their thinking behind it but sometime an extra little bit of flair or quality from the year under can get you over the line. Also a few years back the player pathway was launched and we brought in a new head of S&C and sports science. Fast forward 2 years and this person has now left. All sorts of rumours why but you would think that if you get someone in who is top with that field then you would let him do his job.

Totally agree with the manager situation, it appears that they use you and then give it to one of the boys at minor grade. I think the footballing committee are out dated and are making to many recommendations across the board. There even now deciding the teams that are in the leagues. What's the criteria for becoming a manager in Meath? Not all great footballers make great managers.

This team went well in the Gerry Reilly and then come minor they change the management team and there now struggling. I wonder how many lads from the Gerry Reilly squad are still involved. These lads are just kids and it appears that they were having to process to many systems, sometimes you just need to let them express themselves."
Not the greatest of groups and that's no offence to anyone involved but with a strong system you'd imagine they could get results. Still will qualify if they beat Westmeath on Saturday week.
I would not pay too much attention to how they got on in the Gerry reilly. That used to be a great way to judge teams but no more as there are other competitions now. This Meath team beat Kildare last year in the Gerry Reilly. It was a Kildar second team wearing club shorts while Kildare were off playing North Kerry. We beat Louth as well last year but there were messy goals.
Barry Horgan stepping away from his Head of Football role has no impact on this group.
Would defintely question the football committee. One individual there seems to be making all the decisions on underage managers and football formats.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 04/04/2024 11:19:54    2535551

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "Not the greatest of groups and that's no offence to anyone involved but with a strong system you'd imagine they could get results. Still will qualify if they beat Westmeath on Saturday week.
I would not pay too much attention to how they got on in the Gerry reilly. That used to be a great way to judge teams but no more as there are other competitions now. This Meath team beat Kildare last year in the Gerry Reilly. It was a Kildar second team wearing club shorts while Kildare were off playing North Kerry. We beat Louth as well last year but there were messy goals.
Barry Horgan stepping away from his Head of Football role has no impact on this group.
Would defintely question the football committee. One individual there seems to be making all the decisions on underage managers and football formats."
I would disagree that Barry Horgan stepping away doesn't impact this group. He was hired as Head of S&C and sports science and hasn't got the chance to work and implement proper procedures. These lads should have had a few years under him. Instead we have individual S&C guys doing different loadings with players and teams.

For example Brian Cullen left leinster to work with Dublin and he has a team of S&C's working across all of the teams delivering age applicable programs. One will ague if its relevant or not but on a large scale it is. We lack the innovation and foresight into the overall development of these lads and having qualified people implementing professional structures. This was a big sell a few years back and where are we now. We have no S&C program pathway or have anyone heading this up. Ok you still have to put the ball over the bar but it's proven in todays age that its very much part of GAA.

And finally yes one person is deciding on all the managers and its about time the County board gets a grip of things and look to the coaches that are coaching at club level and doing it day in day out. Will be interesting to see who will manage the minor's next year, will the current management team who has been with them since 13 get the elbow and the job given to one of the boys. Watch this space.

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 04/04/2024 11:44:25    2535563

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The manager has loads of experience at club and senior county level, working with some very well know GAA managers. Anyone taking on a minor county job should have that kind of experience to pass on to young lads.

Games haven't gone well. They are young. Let's see at the end of the season. I wouldn't be getting carried away. As I understand they have had some 16s in and might bring them back. But for development glad to see they are giving the full age lads a proper chance.

Much more important that the 20s do well than minors, as one poster already said.

truegael49 (Meath) - Posts: 14 - 04/04/2024 12:06:54    2535569

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Replying To 199710:  "I would disagree that Barry Horgan stepping away doesn't impact this group. He was hired as Head of S&C and sports science and hasn't got the chance to work and implement proper procedures. These lads should have had a few years under him. Instead we have individual S&C guys doing different loadings with players and teams.

For example Brian Cullen left leinster to work with Dublin and he has a team of S&C's working across all of the teams delivering age applicable programs. One will ague if its relevant or not but on a large scale it is. We lack the innovation and foresight into the overall development of these lads and having qualified people implementing professional structures. This was a big sell a few years back and where are we now. We have no S&C program pathway or have anyone heading this up. Ok you still have to put the ball over the bar but it's proven in todays age that its very much part of GAA.

And finally yes one person is deciding on all the managers and its about time the County board gets a grip of things and look to the coaches that are coaching at club level and doing it day in day out. Will be interesting to see who will manage the minor's next year, will the current management team who has been with them since 13 get the elbow and the job given to one of the boys. Watch this space."
Take your point on Horgan but he has been there two years before his role changed last December from head of underage football to S&C for the seniors. He implimented huge change in the gym and structures, and Garrigan has taken a lot of that on. So, a lot of what this year's minor have experienced is all from Horgan and its been top quality.
Will many of this years minor play senior county. The jury is out on that but in other years you could definetly see a few that would make it. Its easier to stand out on a winning team though.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 04/04/2024 12:11:40    2535573

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "Take your point on Horgan but he has been there two years before his role changed last December from head of underage football to S&C for the seniors. He implimented huge change in the gym and structures, and Garrigan has taken a lot of that on. So, a lot of what this year's minor have experienced is all from Horgan and its been top quality.
Will many of this years minor play senior county. The jury is out on that but in other years you could definetly see a few that would make it. Its easier to stand out on a winning team though."
Did Barry Horgan's job change from underage to S&C with the seniors? I thought he was still employed full time as head of Atheltic development and in addition was also doing S&C for the seniors. Is that not the case?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1465 - 04/04/2024 13:11:37    2535594

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Did Barry Horgan's job change from underage to S&C with the seniors? I thought he was still employed full time as head of Atheltic development and in addition was also doing S&C for the seniors. Is that not the case?"
Yes he did change and was only doing the seniors and now he has moved on. He was been sponsored by someone out side of the Bective Stud sponsorship. There seems to be a trend with a lot of people who were brought in to the senior setup now gone. What's does that tell you.

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 04/04/2024 15:07:58    2535625

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "Take your point on Horgan but he has been there two years before his role changed last December from head of underage football to S&C for the seniors. He implimented huge change in the gym and structures, and Garrigan has taken a lot of that on. So, a lot of what this year's minor have experienced is all from Horgan and its been top quality.
Will many of this years minor play senior county. The jury is out on that but in other years you could definetly see a few that would make it. Its easier to stand out on a winning team though."
Is Paul Garrigan qualifies in sports Science? Horgan was head hunted and we have let him slip through our fingers

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 04/04/2024 15:10:25    2535627

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Replying To 199710:  "Yes he did change and was only doing the seniors and now he has moved on. He was been sponsored by someone out side of the Bective Stud sponsorship. There seems to be a trend with a lot of people who were brought in to the senior setup now gone. What's does that tell you."
Wait, so has he left his role with the underage system or the Senior squad?

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 04/04/2024 15:32:01    2535636

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Gone Gone, over the hill

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 05/04/2024 07:53:27    2535741

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He has not left his role with the seniors.

Meathgaa5 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 05/04/2024 08:41:23    2535755

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "He has not left his role with the seniors."
That's not what the County board said this week.

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 05/04/2024 14:53:49    2535847

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Good to see minors get first win. Hopefully can push on now in Leinster championship after shaky start. Still plenty of time for a decent year with this team if lessons learnt from earlier rounds are taken on board.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 15/04/2024 12:42:15    2538013

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A pity to see the 3 Boyne CS players FORCED OFF in a Leinster final due to pressure from the Meath minor management team, even having one of the said management team standing between the dugouts to ensure they were removed from the game. The management has been poor enough with this team given the results and play style it's surely an untenable position for the management team given their attitude towards players wanting to win something this year. Now that the minor management team have had their way with destroying one team from success this year, the onus is on them and solely them to deliver a championship. Those players deserve more from the board & the management. For years now we have lamented the loss of schools football in the Trim area and now that obvious improvement is taking place this sucker punch cannot possibly improve matters. Disgusting really.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 20/04/2024 11:15:41    2539187

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Replying To MillerX:  "A pity to see the 3 Boyne CS players FORCED OFF in a Leinster final due to pressure from the Meath minor management team, even having one of the said management team standing between the dugouts to ensure they were removed from the game. The management has been poor enough with this team given the results and play style it's surely an untenable position for the management team given their attitude towards players wanting to win something this year. Now that the minor management team have had their way with destroying one team from success this year, the onus is on them and solely them to deliver a championship. Those players deserve more from the board & the management. For years now we have lamented the loss of schools football in the Trim area and now that obvious improvement is taking place this sucker punch cannot possibly improve matters. Disgusting really."
Heard about this from someone else and thought that they will need to go on to win an AI or even Leinster with this group to justify Boyne having to take off their stronger players

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 20/04/2024 12:25:26    2539202

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Replying To MillerX:  "A pity to see the 3 Boyne CS players FORCED OFF in a Leinster final due to pressure from the Meath minor management team, even having one of the said management team standing between the dugouts to ensure they were removed from the game. The management has been poor enough with this team given the results and play style it's surely an untenable position for the management team given their attitude towards players wanting to win something this year. Now that the minor management team have had their way with destroying one team from success this year, the onus is on them and solely them to deliver a championship. Those players deserve more from the board & the management. For years now we have lamented the loss of schools football in the Trim area and now that obvious improvement is taking place this sucker punch cannot possibly improve matters. Disgusting really."
this reads terrible Miller X And one can only hope that the Communication & level of respect was somewhat better than the Optics, so that there is not the inevitable Fallout that could happen down the line here. Jumping Threads...but this is exactly the Type of Thing that COSTS nothing by way of funding from Wealthy backers ..and could be a grassroots example to All as to why we are underperforming ....The idea/picture that a mentor would be "patrolling" to ensure players dont "sneak" on...god help us

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 20/04/2024 12:56:50    2539209

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Replying To MillerX:  "A pity to see the 3 Boyne CS players FORCED OFF in a Leinster final due to pressure from the Meath minor management team, even having one of the said management team standing between the dugouts to ensure they were removed from the game. The management has been poor enough with this team given the results and play style it's surely an untenable position for the management team given their attitude towards players wanting to win something this year. Now that the minor management team have had their way with destroying one team from success this year, the onus is on them and solely them to deliver a championship. Those players deserve more from the board & the management. For years now we have lamented the loss of schools football in the Trim area and now that obvious improvement is taking place this sucker punch cannot possibly improve matters. Disgusting really."
If true this is a disgrace , one of the major issues in Meath football is the lack of development in schools. St pats arent the force they used to be , and beside that ever other school is in B or below.
The schools have the ability to really improve young footballers, especially those from maybe a small club playing in the lower divisions who are getting exposed to a high level of football.
SEM in killarney , The two Tralee schools ,St pats of Maghera in derry, number of Tyrone schools really develop players which can be seen by some of their past pupils.

Faithfulmeath (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 20/04/2024 13:07:16    2539213

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Was well worth taking the 3 Boyne lads off at half time in the Leinster final last week losing to wexford tonight fair play to the management for preventing the lads from playing the 2nd half it really worked out for them

donedeal101 (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 24/04/2024 21:09:20    2540492

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