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No clue how to close out a match. Not fit enough to play against the decent teams. So many of our players out on their feet with 20 min to go.
Hammered Cork last year and got beat by them this year.
At intercounty football there are no excuses! All teams miss players and the teams with good S&C plans/coaches funnily enough are the teams that dont have as many injuries. So the actual excuse people are giving for losing matches is an actual question mark on the training being done.
So no improvement this year and if we didnt have the pass we would be sweating again as we were close to teh T-cup line!

JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 246 - 17/03/2024 22:56:07    2531828

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Again yesterday was a dead rubber for us so this isn't off the back of the Cork game alone. But people congratulating the team on staying up. Should we lose to Donegal which is quite likely, we will finish on 6 points, last year it was 5. This year we'll have the 3rd worst points difference, last year the second worst points difference. So I guess marginal improvements if you were to be very generous. But if you were to look at it a different way this will be our 15th season in division 2 since it became 4 divisions in 2008. And we've only had 3 seasons as bad as our last two (2011,2012 and 2022) and I don't think people would argue this is the least talented team we've had over that time. So I don't think the league performance overall has been up to standard, thankfully we got away with it and will be in division 2 next year but we need to see big improvement (or a very lucky draw) to get out of the group stages in the championship

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 18/03/2024 00:12:00    2531837

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Wow. Any wonder people say we gone soft in Meath. Congratulating a team on not getting relegated. If division 1 I would let it pas. But a very average division 2. Come on wtaf. Huge supporter of Colm but he has not improved us one bit. Probably same position as last year. And nervy game awaits against Longford. They are better than Offaly

Wtaf (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 18/03/2024 08:43:57    2531854

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Replying To Wtaf:  "Wow. Any wonder people say we gone soft in Meath. Congratulating a team on not getting relegated. If division 1 I would let it pas. But a very average division 2. Come on wtaf. Huge supporter of Colm but he has not improved us one bit. Probably same position as last year. And nervy game awaits against Longford. They are better than Offaly"
Yeah, a pat on the back for not getting relegated is a fair indictment of where we're at.

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 387 - 18/03/2024 09:58:06    2531869

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Replying To Wtaf:  "Wow. Any wonder people say we gone soft in Meath. Congratulating a team on not getting relegated. If division 1 I would let it pas. But a very average division 2. Come on wtaf. Huge supporter of Colm but he has not improved us one bit. Probably same position as last year. And nervy game awaits against Longford. They are better than Offaly"
Agree completely. And yet when you are realist on here and call it how it is and are not prepared to celebrate not being relegated you are a keyboard warrior.

Lads are tired from their hectic schedule including Sigerson. Darragh Canavan didn't look tired on Saturday night and hasn't look tired at all during the league while ripping it up pretty much every game.

It's the constant excuses that are grating on people..yes we've been missing some key men but so have most teams . Louth were down some key men v us Kildare lost their 2 best forwards by half time V us and Armagh was missing Rian O'Neill for half the league. You'd think we are the only team that has players unavailable.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 18/03/2024 12:25:28    2531902

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "So mentioning the players we are missing when comparing where we are and where we hoped to be isn't relevant? And likewise commenting that two of our best performers in this league were missing when it mattered against Cork?
I note in true keyboard warrior style you didn't debate the point but rather defected. I'd be a glass half full person and pity those who take pleasure in trying to drag us all down."
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thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1073 - 18/03/2024 12:28:48    2531904

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When the league started I thought we would be in a mini-league with six teams and hoped we could lay a finger on Armagh and Donegal. It has worked out like that with the two promoted sides beating the other teams and it will stay like that bar they field second string sides this weekend.
It is disappointing that we folded so badly up in Armagh but themselves and Donegal have walked the division.
So in that mini six team division we have taken six points out of a possible 10 (60%) and will finish third of six behind Cavan and Cork. I'd rate our league as a C, not a C+ or C-. Last year was a D+.
I understand people's frustrations as you always begin the year hoping, if not praying, that this will be the season when we will be pleasantly surprised and are 20% better than last year. That last happened in 2019 when we were promoted and competed in the Super 8 but apart from that year it has been much of a muchness for 15 years.

Roger (Meath) - Posts: 479 - 18/03/2024 12:43:03    2531909

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Replying To Roger:  "When the league started I thought we would be in a mini-league with six teams and hoped we could lay a finger on Armagh and Donegal. It has worked out like that with the two promoted sides beating the other teams and it will stay like that bar they field second string sides this weekend.
It is disappointing that we folded so badly up in Armagh but themselves and Donegal have walked the division.
So in that mini six team division we have taken six points out of a possible 10 (60%) and will finish third of six behind Cavan and Cork. I'd rate our league as a C, not a C+ or C-. Last year was a D+.
I understand people's frustrations as you always begin the year hoping, if not praying, that this will be the season when we will be pleasantly surprised and are 20% better than last year. That last happened in 2019 when we were promoted and competed in the Super 8 but apart from that year it has been much of a muchness for 15 years."
So no improvement? Also if Donegal beat us cork don't win and louth beat Kildare. We finish 6 just above relegation. Due to our bad score difference. Exactly same position as last year. I can't call that any improvement. Also neither Donegal or Armagh are within an asses roar of Dublin and Derry.

Wtaf (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 18/03/2024 14:10:55    2531921

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Replying To Wtaf:  "So no improvement? Also if Donegal beat us cork don't win and louth beat Kildare. We finish 6 just above relegation. Due to our bad score difference. Exactly same position as last year. I can't call that any improvement. Also neither Donegal or Armagh are within an asses roar of Dublin and Derry."
Have a day off which your ifs and buts.

We are in division 2 next year where hopefully we will improve and challenge.

We are currently around the 12th/13th best team in Ireland, try break into top 8 next year and see what that brings.

Onwards and upwards lads, don't mind the delusional high stool/keyboard warrior brigade.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1073 - 18/03/2024 15:55:00    2531935

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Plenty left in the season..progress for me would be beating a division 1 side. We should have two shots at this this year.

Under COR there's definite improvement in goalkeeper (and fair play to Brennan with his 45s against cork, scoring 100% of scores with a heavy ball). Time to get Brennan on frees. Think we have the best midfielder pairing in a generation with Gray and Flynn. Defence has improved also but still huge amount of work to do.

Cant help thinking COR hasn't revealed his full deck yet but thats the eternal optimist.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1807 - 18/03/2024 17:33:18    2531959

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Replying To Wtaf:  "So no improvement? Also if Donegal beat us cork don't win and louth beat Kildare. We finish 6 just above relegation. Due to our bad score difference. Exactly same position as last year. I can't call that any improvement. Also neither Donegal or Armagh are within an asses roar of Dublin and Derry."
You have three posts and each is more negative than the last. Are you RoyalDunne in disguise?
It isn't significant that Donegal or Armagh are worse or better than Dublin and Derry, the two relegated DIvision 1 teams normally have a field day in Division 2 and this year has been no different.
Next year DIvision 2 looks like being made up of Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan, Cork, Meath, Louth, Down and Westmeath. Maybe a bit more manageable even with just three home games.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 18/03/2024 17:35:59    2531961

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Replying To bert09:  "Plenty left in the season..progress for me would be beating a division 1 side. We should have two shots at this this year.

Under COR there's definite improvement in goalkeeper (and fair play to Brennan with his 45s against cork, scoring 100% of scores with a heavy ball). Time to get Brennan on frees. Think we have the best midfielder pairing in a generation with Gray and Flynn. Defence has improved also but still huge amount of work to do.

Cant help thinking COR hasn't revealed his full deck yet but thats the eternal optimist."
Gray had an excellent breakout year last year but is completely untested at division 2 level and above due the bad luck he's had with injury and illness so far and Flynn isn't even on the panel anymore. He walked away for some reason.

The goalkeeper situation improving I'm still not sure..I saw plenty of the same failings when teams pushed up aggressively on us to be honest and which will happen in probably every game once we hit dublin if we get there and the All Ireland series for sure.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 18/03/2024 18:15:27    2531970

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Gray had an excellent breakout year last year but is completely untested at division 2 level and above due the bad luck he's had with injury and illness so far and Flynn isn't even on the panel anymore. He walked away for some reason.

The goalkeeper situation improving I'm still not sure..I saw plenty of the same failings when teams pushed up aggressively on us to be honest and which will happen in probably every game once we hit dublin if we get there and the All Ireland series for sure."
It's no secret why Jack Flynn took time out, lad is doing his Master's and felt his form had dipped and was unable to commit at that time. Easy to throw out line's like "he walked away for some reason" in attempt to muddy the water's. Criticism is fine just keep it real.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 18/03/2024 19:56:15    2531993

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Replying To seadog54:  "It's no secret why Jack Flynn took time out, lad is doing his Master's and felt his form had dipped and was unable to commit at that time. Easy to throw out line's like "he walked away for some reason" in attempt to muddy the water's. Criticism is fine just keep it real."
I said flynn walked away for some reason. Which he did. No muddying the waters at all. I never mentioned or suggested he walked away because of some issue with management.

Criticism is fine you say yet anyone who does criticise or isn't seeing any noticeable improvement on last year is labelled as a keyboard warrior.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 18/03/2024 20:36:41    2532005

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Replying To thelutch:  "Have a day off which your ifs and buts.

We are in division 2 next year where hopefully we will improve and challenge.

We are currently around the 12th/13th best team in Ireland, try break into top 8 next year and see what that brings.

Onwards and upwards lads, don't mind the delusional high stool/keyboard warrior brigade."
Hopefully onwards and upwards. Let's be honest we can't get much worse.

Wtaf (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 18/03/2024 21:31:33    2532011

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Replying To 49erroyal:  "You have three posts and each is more negative than the last. Are you RoyalDunne in disguise?
It isn't significant that Donegal or Armagh are worse or better than Dublin and Derry, the two relegated DIvision 1 teams normally have a field day in Division 2 and this year has been no different.
Next year DIvision 2 looks like being made up of Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan, Cork, Meath, Louth, Down and Westmeath. Maybe a bit more manageable even with just three home games."
Haven't seen him on in ages. I was on here years ago but left it cause of nonsense with admin. Just seen people congratulating team on not getting relegated got my goat up. And is I think a reason why mediocrity has set in not only in player's ,management , but also supporters. It's unmeath like

Wtaf (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 18/03/2024 21:35:29    2532012

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Replying To Wtaf:  "Haven't seen him on in ages. I was on here years ago but left it cause of nonsense with admin. Just seen people congratulating team on not getting relegated got my goat up. And is I think a reason why mediocrity has set in not only in player's ,management , but also supporters. It's unmeath like"
I have to agree with you its sickening to even think about how you congratulate for NOT being demoted. .Yes that does get the goat up.all right.. I still suspect there may be an element of wind up in all this. Anyway dont forget the snackbox .

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 18/03/2024 23:25:08    2532028

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At the outset of the season, I thought midtable would be a pass grade for this team at this stage of their development. That still feels about right. If the tiredness COR was referencing is because the team are doing heavy S&C work to peak for mid-May then that's forgivable, if we were going all out for the Cork match and still produced that final 15 minutes that's very concerning.
We're currently outside the top 8. Our season will be judged by our results against the other mid-range All-Ireland teams. We're sure to play one (or hopefully more) of Roscommon, Monaghan, Cavan, Cork, Louth, Clare, and Down/Westmeath in the AI series. I'm not claiming all those teams are at the same level, but they are the ties we should be aiming to win. Beyond that, being competitive against the top 8 is enough for the moment.
I think that's do-able. Getting Morris back, a stronger midfield come championship, cutting down on turnovers, injecting a bit more urgency into attacks, more ruthlessness when we're on top, and greater stamina, these are all straightforward fixes. There's plenty of room for improvement over the coming months.
I hope we return to a point when our results against Dublin are the litmus test for Meath, but at present - and this is the first time in my life feeling this way - I'm more concerned about how we do against the teams at our current level. Being the 9th best county, the best of the rest, at season's end would be enough for me at this stage of the team's development.

MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 19/03/2024 09:27:34    2532062

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Replying To MeathAbroad:  "At the outset of the season, I thought midtable would be a pass grade for this team at this stage of their development. That still feels about right. If the tiredness COR was referencing is because the team are doing heavy S&C work to peak for mid-May then that's forgivable, if we were going all out for the Cork match and still produced that final 15 minutes that's very concerning.
We're currently outside the top 8. Our season will be judged by our results against the other mid-range All-Ireland teams. We're sure to play one (or hopefully more) of Roscommon, Monaghan, Cavan, Cork, Louth, Clare, and Down/Westmeath in the AI series. I'm not claiming all those teams are at the same level, but they are the ties we should be aiming to win. Beyond that, being competitive against the top 8 is enough for the moment.
I think that's do-able. Getting Morris back, a stronger midfield come championship, cutting down on turnovers, injecting a bit more urgency into attacks, more ruthlessness when we're on top, and greater stamina, these are all straightforward fixes. There's plenty of room for improvement over the coming months.
I hope we return to a point when our results against Dublin are the litmus test for Meath, but at present - and this is the first time in my life feeling this way - I'm more concerned about how we do against the teams at our current level. Being the 9th best county, the best of the rest, at season's end would be enough for me at this stage of the team's development."
Realistically we are well down the pecking order now. Us v Dublin would be a mismatch at this point. To me the only realistic worthwhile objective is to get all individuals and team playing to their full potential. Thats the bit we have full control over.Forget everything else for now as control is very limited there . Utilise all resourses to the max on and off the field and see where that takes us. Official ban on ALL excuses from here. I believe the required expertise is available to improve substantially. A straightforward honest spring stocktaking on attitudes alone would be a great beginning. Its never too late to learn from mistakes.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 19/03/2024 11:52:11    2532091

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Replying To bert09:  "Plenty left in the season..progress for me would be beating a division 1 side. We should have two shots at this this year.

Under COR there's definite improvement in goalkeeper (and fair play to Brennan with his 45s against cork, scoring 100% of scores with a heavy ball). Time to get Brennan on frees. Think we have the best midfielder pairing in a generation with Gray and Flynn. Defence has improved also but still huge amount of work to do.

Cant help thinking COR hasn't revealed his full deck yet but thats the eternal optimist."
COR hasn't revealed his full hand yet, OMG have you been watching the games and are you aware of who he has on the panel, Moriarty had a great season for the college and Curtis was intermediate player of the year last year and cant get a look in. This thing about building a team and they will learn, he is going to run out of excuses,

199710 (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 19/03/2024 12:25:36    2532103

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