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Meath Club Hurling Season 2024

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CNG v Dunboyne - CNG by 7. Dunboyne have issues that run deeper.
Dunderry v Trim - Trím to pull away easily enough and win by 9
Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Big chance for Kilmessan to cause an upset. Going for them to do it by the minimum.

Kiltale v BHG - Kiltale, easily, by 9 at least
Killyon v Longwood - I'll go for Longwood by two in a cracker, both sides very impressive in Rd 1
Ratoath v Na fianna - Batterstown should very much suit Ratoath. Them by 8


INTERMEDIATE
Wolfe Tones v Ashbourne - Tones beat Ashbourne in the league before they started handing out walkovers. Darragh O'Sullivan was missing for D/A against Navan, if he's still gone there could be trouble. I'll go for D/A by three

Dunboyne v Drumree - Won't go ahead. If it does, Drumree by 15.

NOM v Kells - If Ashbourne had been a bit more clinical from frees, NOM were in trouble last day. But Kells haven't had a game since the league. Not where you want to be against a team in form. NOM by 7

INTER B :
Trim v Pats - Trim by a cricket score. Pats are going to be saved from relegation by Dunboyne

Kildalkey v Boardsmill - Close on paper, not sure it will be in practice. Kildalkey by 6

Rathmolyon v Kilskyre/Moylagh - K/M snuck into the league final at Rathmolyon's expense and then won the whole thing, so there's plenty of fire involved for this. Is Tom Shine still gone for K/M? Rathmolyon by 2 in another belter

RR (Meath) - Posts: 165 - 24/07/2024 12:53:16    2561206

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Replying To RR:  "CNG v Dunboyne - CNG by 7. Dunboyne have issues that run deeper.
Dunderry v Trim - Trím to pull away easily enough and win by 9
Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Big chance for Kilmessan to cause an upset. Going for them to do it by the minimum.

Kiltale v BHG - Kiltale, easily, by 9 at least
Killyon v Longwood - I'll go for Longwood by two in a cracker, both sides very impressive in Rd 1
Ratoath v Na fianna - Batterstown should very much suit Ratoath. Them by 8


INTERMEDIATE
Wolfe Tones v Ashbourne - Tones beat Ashbourne in the league before they started handing out walkovers. Darragh O'Sullivan was missing for D/A against Navan, if he's still gone there could be trouble. I'll go for D/A by three

Dunboyne v Drumree - Won't go ahead. If it does, Drumree by 15.

NOM v Kells - If Ashbourne had been a bit more clinical from frees, NOM were in trouble last day. But Kells haven't had a game since the league. Not where you want to be against a team in form. NOM by 7

INTER B :
Trim v Pats - Trim by a cricket score. Pats are going to be saved from relegation by Dunboyne

Kildalkey v Boardsmill - Close on paper, not sure it will be in practice. Kildalkey by 6

Rathmolyon v Kilskyre/Moylagh - K/M snuck into the league final at Rathmolyon's expense and then won the whole thing, so there's plenty of fire involved for this. Is Tom Shine still gone for K/M? Rathmolyon by 2 in another belter"
CNG v Dunboyne - Really poor result in Rd 1 for Dunboyne but if the can curtail Eamonn McDonn then they could have a chance here. I take a chance that they win by 3
Dunderry v Trim - Trim win handy, 12 pts
Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Game of the round, Kildalkey to show that Kilmessan still have to improve to compete at the top and prevail by 3.
Kiltale v BHG - Kiltale win handy, 14pts
Killyon v Longwood - Longwood by 4pts
Ratoath v Na fianna - Ratoath win handy, 10pts

hurlingcowboy101 (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 24/07/2024 13:57:42    2561229

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Replying To hurlingcowboy101:  "CNG v Dunboyne - Really poor result in Rd 1 for Dunboyne but if the can curtail Eamonn McDonn then they could have a chance here. I take a chance that they win by 3
Dunderry v Trim - Trim win handy, 12 pts
Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Game of the round, Kildalkey to show that Kilmessan still have to improve to compete at the top and prevail by 3.
Kiltale v BHG - Kiltale win handy, 14pts
Killyon v Longwood - Longwood by 4pts
Ratoath v Na fianna - Ratoath win handy, 10pts"
CNG v Dunboyne - CNG will be too strong, Eammon Og, Joe Ennis and Callum OSullivan were the highlights in the match against a very good Kilmessan. Dunboye will look to Sean Quigley to muster a performance.: 3point win for CNG.

Dunderry v Trim - Dunderry have a good crop of young lads coming through the ranks and will have plenty of heart, (Evan Nolan, Fionn McHale and Mark Leavy have a great future). Trim have a good mix of young and experienced Jubilee winners in their ranks and appear to be in an upward trajectory. The very skillful Kyle Ennis made his Adult debut and did not look out of place alongside the likes of Molloy and Murtagh.Trim to win by >8points

Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Kildalkey will be hurting after opening game against an impressive Trim. If Kildalkey are to win; they will need to curtail Luke Horan, Mark Horan and Seany Doyle. Kilmessan will look to keep wraps on Meaths Nicky Potterton, Brian OHalloran and Paddy Conneely (who was unusually quite in Trim game). Kilmessan improved, but not enough. Kildalkey to win by by 3 points.


Kiltale v BHG - Kiltale improving, the mix of young and experienced shows they haven't gone away. Any team with Jack Regan is going to be a threat. Put Shane McGann, Iarla Hughes, Peter Durnin and the young Luke OHalloran into the mix, its the foundation of a good team. BHG relying on Morrison Kiltale to win >8 points.

Killyon v Longwood - This is a tough call, didn't rate either of them before the championship. Still think Killyon are well behind the front runners, but they have tradition in their veins and will be dogged. Longwood have experience in Micky Burke & Damien Healy, and, talented youngster Conor Dixon; who did not look out of place. Longwood could cause a few upsets this year. Longwood to win by 5 points.

Ratoath v Na fianna - So disappointed in Na Fianna, was hoping for much more. I hope this young team can keep there heads up. (Pat Jordan and Anto ONeil have impressed). Ratoath are well seasoned in eeking out wins, with there strength across the lines. You cant dismiss the talent of O'Hanrahan, McGowans, Rogers, Kellys, Corbetts etc. Ratoath to win by 5 points.


INTERMEDIATE
W Tones v Ashbourne - Tones disappointed in first match. Ashbourne to win.
Dunboyne v Drumree - Drumree will be too strong for Dunboyne 2nd team (if they field). All does not appear to be Rosy in St Peter's. Drumree to win.

NOM v Kells - Navan should win, Kells will put it up to them. Navan need to put a marker down if they have any intentions of winning this competition. Navan to win by 3 points

INTER B :
Trim v Pats - Trim to win! St Pats were too ambitious, going up 2 levels without winning a championship. They will find it tough at this level and learn absolutely nothing. Not a great experience for the players. (I really hope Im wrong as its not good for Meath Hurling).

Kildalkey v Boardsmill - Kildalkey will find Boardsmill tough. Boardsmill have some good hurlers who will make life tough. It will be close. Kildalkey will have to be at their best and not lose too many players to seniors on Friday, Kildalkey to win by 2 points.

Rathmolyan v kilskrye/moylagh - This should be a great battle between two very good teams. Shine or Ennis may decide the outcome. Very hard to call a winner; so I won't DRAW

TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 24/07/2024 20:54:52    2561335

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CNG v Dunboyne - Easily CNG by 6-10

Dunderry v Trim - Massacre incoming 12+

Kildalkey v Kilmessan - Hard to call. Bounce back required so kildalkey by 3-5

Kiltale v BHG - Another hammering incoming. Kiltale by 10+

Killyon v Longwood - Hard to call. killyon by 4

Ratoath v Na fianna - Ratoath 8+

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 25/07/2024 16:12:32    2561545

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So last nights game in Kilmessan proved that the change to the groups is absolutely a pure waste of everyone's time. No offence to Dunderry but was like watching Junior vs senior team and it was of no benefit to anyone playing or in attendance as it was a dour affair.

The senior championship needs to be changed after this farce of a setup is complete. Senior should be 8 teams in two groups of 4. There are realistically 4 contenders in Trim, Kildalkey, Kiltale and Ratoath. The others are Na Fianna, Kilmessan, and a toss up between killyon and longwood to make up the rest. Split the top two each year and go from there. Inter has too many teams so dump 4 out into Junior and have a proper Junior and Junior B.

No teams should be getting beatings like that at the top level. Its not fair on them. Its also not fair on Trim as in all likelihoods they wont play a proper game until the semi final.

The County Board have this county running in reverse in both codes.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 26/07/2024 08:51:22    2561645

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Replying To Irish_downunder:  "So last nights game in Kilmessan proved that the change to the groups is absolutely a pure waste of everyone's time. No offence to Dunderry but was like watching Junior vs senior team and it was of no benefit to anyone playing or in attendance as it was a dour affair.

The senior championship needs to be changed after this farce of a setup is complete. Senior should be 8 teams in two groups of 4. There are realistically 4 contenders in Trim, Kildalkey, Kiltale and Ratoath. The others are Na Fianna, Kilmessan, and a toss up between killyon and longwood to make up the rest. Split the top two each year and go from there. Inter has too many teams so dump 4 out into Junior and have a proper Junior and Junior B.

No teams should be getting beatings like that at the top level. Its not fair on them. Its also not fair on Trim as in all likelihoods they wont play a proper game until the semi final.

The County Board have this county running in reverse in both codes."
Absolutely spot on. You'd expect that kind of a hiding in Junior B where younger lads could be playing their first game of adult hurling. To have it at the supposed top level is an embarrassment to everyone involved.

What will Trim be able to do to Peters, given that Dunderry beat them?!

Zero benefit to anyone. Get the heads together in October and lay out a proper restructure so that it can be implemented in 2026. 8 at Senior, 8-12 in intermediate and then figure out the rest from there.

RR (Meath) - Posts: 165 - 26/07/2024 11:38:56    2561692

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Agreed should be 8 teams in senior, 8 teams in Intermediate, 8 teams in junior.

Would have a better chance in Leinster too as Intermediate grade would be stronger and would be very competitive and hard won.

The junior B this year is a farce. 3 groups. One group of 4 and 2 groups of 3. Why not 2 groups of 5. If a team pulls out, you still get 3 games. Doesn't make sense to me. Must be lack of referees or not caring about the competition.

yourname (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 26/07/2024 12:47:40    2561724

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Clubs had the chance last winter to implement the required structure changes and bottled it. Terrible ideas like an open draw and a B competition for teams who don't qualify for knock outs was their counter suggestions and what we have been left with as a result.

Self interest ruled. Clubs need to be brave and accept they may have to go down a tier for the greater good. I think we would be left with three very competitive championships were it to happen.

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 272 - 26/07/2024 13:16:03    2561738

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Replying To Belt:  "Clubs had the chance last winter to implement the required structure changes and bottled it. Terrible ideas like an open draw and a B competition for teams who don't qualify for knock outs was their counter suggestions and what we have been left with as a result.

Self interest ruled. Clubs need to be brave and accept they may have to go down a tier for the greater good. I think we would be left with three very competitive championships were it to happen."
Yea i dont see hte point in having a Board if the clubs just pull rank everytime.

The CB need to just grab the bull by the horns and demand a full restructure. Lads not even able to handpass or pickup the ball last night but they are called senior. Was embarrassing to watch.

Any wonder we are losing players to other sports. No worth in winning these championships.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 26/07/2024 13:38:15    2561752

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Replying To Belt:  "Clubs had the chance last winter to implement the required structure changes and bottled it. Terrible ideas like an open draw and a B competition for teams who don't qualify for knock outs was their counter suggestions and what we have been left with as a result.

Self interest ruled. Clubs need to be brave and accept they may have to go down a tier for the greater good. I think we would be left with three very competitive championships were it to happen."
Protect status quo to the detriment of meath hurling as a whole.
Previous structure would have worked better if it was 2 up, 2 down. Threat to the senior stauts of traditional clubs would explain the push back against an 8 team championship but senior hurling needs higher quality competitive games so it can improve. We surely want our county champions to be competitive in Leinster but games like last night are a joke.
As it stands, there are more hammerings imminent.

hurlingcowboy101 (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 26/07/2024 14:44:17    2561780

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There was a reason senior was split a few years ago , and the next few weeknds will remind everybody why.
From my understanding it was the senior b teams who wanted this , i can only assume delusion on their part thinking they can compete , or mayby they just forgot the gap.
As said above , 8 team grades is the only way
Some really terrible teams in senior at present and even at inter
Why st pats thought going up to inter was a good idea when they couldnt even win a junior 2 is wild.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 26/07/2024 14:45:43    2561781

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The only reason I can think of for the going away with the weaker and stronger divisions in SHC and IHC is to show the gap in standards in the championships from strongest to weakest and to finally get the competitions down to 8 (2x4 groups ) as the present CCC want all championships in groups of 4.
The previous format was brought in when teams got massive hidings and we will see a return to that in 2024 and CCC will push home a new setup of 8 in each grade and to be honest better for everyone Administration, Clubs, County Team and Spectators

glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1116 - 26/07/2024 15:03:40    2561795

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Hurling is just a thorn in the side of the county board. To allow a new football club form in one of the most populated areas in the country (Laytown / Bettystown ) and not push for a hurling team instead really is a disgrace. The treatment of hurling in our larger populated areas and towns is a disgrace. The standard of hurling in the county is atrocious and football not much better. The split season particularly in this county will mean hurling is going to suffer even more due to dual players having to play week in week out for 10 weeks. Lads are literally being forced to pick football over hurling.


As some alluded to earlier there are some serious hammerings coming.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 26/07/2024 15:16:56    2561800

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Replying To glenny:  "The only reason I can think of for the going away with the weaker and stronger divisions in SHC and IHC is to show the gap in standards in the championships from strongest to weakest and to finally get the competitions down to 8 (2x4 groups ) as the present CCC want all championships in groups of 4.
The previous format was brought in when teams got massive hidings and we will see a return to that in 2024 and CCC will push home a new setup of 8 in each grade and to be honest better for everyone Administration, Clubs, County Team and Spectators"
There was a player forum over the winter and they came up with 3 or 4 proposals. Think 2 could not be implemented as they would result in a change to promotion/relegation. Apparently clubs need to be told a yr in advance of any changes like tgat.
They suggested the new system not the County board and was voted in by all clubs at a special neeting earlier in the yr.

Islander21 (Meath) - Posts: 22 - 26/07/2024 18:27:40    2561847

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Just on a Meath hurling note, what could Meath do to get James Murrary Brian o halloran nicky potterton Gavin McGowan Jack regan and cian Rodgers in same forward line they'd be deadly

Unitedroyal (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 26/07/2024 21:40:16    2561858

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Opinion Please:
Can an umpire, bring to the attention of the referee that a technical foul (thrown ball), had been observed in the lead up to a goal? What is scope for the Umpires?

TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 26/07/2024 22:02:18    2561863

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i knew this would happen crazy stuff to have in a championship. the football is already much better with groups of 4, proper chamionship fare, lose one game and your down to do or die in the group. some amount of meaningless games, just wasteing everyones time. imagine how good an 8 team chamionship woud be. top 2 straight into semi finals bottom team in each group into relegation play off game, very simple competition and could be all finished by late september

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 26/07/2024 22:31:00    2561867

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Quite clever by the county board reverting to the old system. Come October they're shouldn't be any opposition to changing the structure to 2 groups of 4. There is worse to come in this years championship and wouldn't be surprised to see teams not fielding.

Trim
Kildalkey
Ratoath
Kiltale
Killyon
Clan na Gael
Kilmessan
1 more. hard to call.

All the rest to either intermediate or a senior B. 1 team up and 1 team down.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 28/07/2024 09:56:06    2562076

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People would be better placed doing some coaching with their clubs than complaining about championship structures. No format change is going to make some of the clubs competitive.

Groups of 4 were opposed at a players forum meeting as it reduces the number of hurling games in the calender.
Hurlers have a 7 round league, and are guaranteed 6 championship games in the current format. 13 games total minimum. I think we'll really see the championship come to life when the A and B knockout games are played, there will be a few one sided games up to this point.

Reducing the championship to groups of 4 = 11 games club season. Are we going to improve hurling in the county by playing less of it?

In comparison the club football leagues have 11 rounds, + semi finals = 12 games, + 4 championship = 16 games minimum. Regional competitions on top of that.

begining (UK) - Posts: 313 - 29/07/2024 11:26:56    2562524

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Replying To begining:  "People would be better placed doing some coaching with their clubs than complaining about championship structures. No format change is going to make some of the clubs competitive.

Groups of 4 were opposed at a players forum meeting as it reduces the number of hurling games in the calender.
Hurlers have a 7 round league, and are guaranteed 6 championship games in the current format. 13 games total minimum. I think we'll really see the championship come to life when the A and B knockout games are played, there will be a few one sided games up to this point.

Reducing the championship to groups of 4 = 11 games club season. Are we going to improve hurling in the county by playing less of it?

In comparison the club football leagues have 11 rounds, + semi finals = 12 games, + 4 championship = 16 games minimum. Regional competitions on top of that."
Well having spoke to a number of players involved in giving and receiving some of the hammerings this week, both sets were of the opinions that neither would want to play that tripe and would rather only play football if that was the case.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 29/07/2024 12:53:50    2562576

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