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Players SHOULD be coming to CORs squad with the basic skills in place.....no question! They are not to a sufficiant degree at least . As another poster says workshops What workshops WHERE and WHEN?? The real problem is lack of development in thinking for several years now..Blame the manager is the easy option every time. In my case i am blaming the manager for not bringing in the help required at this time. Even if he did that to morrow that might be a temporary fix for now. The problem is lack of development at county level IN EVERYTHING..In many ways in footballing terms COVID started in Meath in about 2001 and we never recovered since.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 21/02/2024 10:24:06 2527336 Link 2 |
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I agree. If you have to concentrate mainly on the basic skills coaching at senior intercounty level we are in trouble and to be honest we have a fairly talented crop! And to be fair Clifford is a bit of a bad example because he is just one of these freaks of nature that come around now and again :) You cant train talent! But Kerry still realized that in order to improve and meet the demands of modern football they needed a good defensive structure too and they bring in Paddy Tally. And then they win an AI. they also have Quirke and not sure about McNulty but serious coaches in their ranks! That's common sense management by Jack O'Connor!! It still eludes me as to why COR has not done similar! And ill go back to Mickey Harte and jim Mcguinness - Pretty much instant success with louth and looks like Donegal will win Div 2 this year after being brutal for 2 years! No teaching of the basic skills needed there. So to me it is ALL about a SYSTEM and having a team of players well versed in what they are supposed to be doing! Doesn't have to be complicated. just well practiced! Against Louth we were 5 points up with minutes to go and we were still bombing forward and kicking the ball away. We cant even run down a clock! A good manager with some experienced coaches around him would get this current crop of Meath players playing Div1 within 1-2 years! I believe that! JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 21/02/2024 10:39:10 2527337 Link 0 |
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The basic skills are being thought to underage club players continually. How well these are being thought (or not) feeds in to the standard of player available to the county squad but by the stage players get to the senior county squad I don't think the focus would be on basic skills. On top of the clubs the basic skills would be developed in underage county development squads before players have a chance to get into the senior inter county squad. Regarding support clubs are getting in developing basic skills, I'm on youth GAA whattsapp groups and you sometimes hear on these groups that classes of football or hurling (or dual) foundation/ level 1/ level 2 coaching courses are happening at a club in the local vicinity for anyone who is interested. Local clubs encourage volunteer youth coaches to go to these courses and many of the underage coaches complete these coaches (it's a volunteer organisation, obviously the volunteer coaches can only do what they have time to do). Specifically regarding the workshop I mentioned as an example, last week on one of these whattsapp groups I saw that a workshop on developing 2 sided youth players was taking place at a club in the local vicinity. I went to this workshop and 2 coaches from Dunganny talked about the subject for about 30 minutes and then took a training session for an hour with an underage team from the host club to demonstrate. There probably was about 15 to 20 youth team coaches from maybe 5 clubs in the vicinity at this workshop. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1361 - 21/02/2024 12:28:44 2527355 Link 2 |
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Coaching is vitally important. BUT cant you see the level of consistant recurring BASIC errors being commited for years on our SENIOR intercounty team. Ball handling.Kicking,passing,fielding etc etc. Is that acceptable. ? Development Squads ? what do they do? How is their effectiveness measured against what is required.How are training sessions measured for effectiveness..They are happening in quantity in spades yes.How about QUALITY? How is quality and standards measured objectivelyfrom the top down? I will pick one example Can anyone inform on what specific initiatives were taken in the last 10 years to improve in the key skill of free taking. at intercounty level.How was the effectiveness of that initiative measured! I am not aware of any since Ollie Cambell the rugby player was called in by Sean Boylan to assist Brian Stafford with outstanding success. If there is something similar happening then i to will join the "ah sure we are all right" they are training 3 0r 4 nights a week. "the lads are young and theyl get better with experience" We will never catch Dublin anyway".....We are very good at the "ah sures". I will bow out with one last request by forum users .For the next 2 weeks can we focus on as specifically as possible the question How specifically can we improve from here.? As the man on LMFM used to say "bye bye now" nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 21/02/2024 12:58:22 2527363 Link 2 |
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Thats good to hear and will eventually pay off, dont think COR would be involved if system was not in place, however, over last number of years our senior players seemed to lack some of the basic skill's and composure essential for this level. I think we are starting to show small signs of improvement in some area's. Darrah Campion is example of the inlfuence of Trevor Giles, he plays head' up and usually picks out a good pass. Our short kickpassing has improved, small steps but going in right direction. Defence as a unit is still a way off, but apart from DK we are very inexperienced playing together. We are often too hard on our own players/management, but there was no game over w/e where the same mistakes were not on show division one included.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 21/02/2024 13:23:06 2527374 Link 2 |
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The standard on Sunday looked fairly average but that applies to every game these days , as Whelan pointed out it was probably the best game over the weekend which says a lot. From a coaching point view Louth got through far to many times for goal chances which is very concerning and Trevor Giles will not be able to fix that! At the same time we kicked a few scorable points wide in the first half and we deserved to win based on our performance in the last 30 min. We badly need three or 4 forwards who can score points if we are to progress as even a top twelve county which should be our goal for the next 12 months , defensively we are just not good enough and we would suffer a heavy defeat to any of the top six , that said what did impressive me about Sunday was the fightback and level of resilience these lads showed . They could have easily of lost the game but they kept going . Louth are not in great shape , they have adopted a system from Mickey Harte which was visible in parts but they lost the run of themselves in the second half. A win against Kildare is a must this week which guarantees us division 2 football pretty much. meath1987 (Meath) - Posts: 127 - 21/02/2024 13:41:23 2527376 Link 0 |
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Would argue we have not had a consistent and dependable scoring forward since Stephen Bray. It's definitely an issue, against teams who will score heavy we're going to struggle. Think Frayne can be that guy but he's only breaking through. Walsh can as well but he needs an injury free run.
NYRoyal (USA) - Posts: 28 - 21/02/2024 17:07:08 2527425 Link 1 |
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I think the standard of alot of games even at the higher end of intercounty is not great these days. The key for a certain level is fitness strength and about not making basic errors in or out of possession. Even the top teams with Kerry being an example only have a few really highly skilled players for example the Clifford's and Sean O'Shea. The rest of the players don't make many mistakes and work hard for the team but there is alot of passive play in football matches around the middle of the field now with little competition in this area. Most of the skill is gone out of Gaelic football unfortunately and it is not the number one requirement these days!
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 21/02/2024 21:01:20 2527451 Link 1 |
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Yeah it was great to watch years ago when the ball was kicked blindly away for 60 minutes.
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 21/02/2024 21:16:02 2527453 Link 1 |
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We have to play whatever style makes us most competitive but games were better to watch years ago. Completing an uncontested handpass or catching a ball in a free position from a handpass is not a great skill. Years ago the crowd was engaged for the full game, now a lot of times during games the crowd is silent when boring hanspassing movements are happening. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1361 - 22/02/2024 09:38:38 2527495 Link 1 |
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There's too much of a romanticism about what the game used to be like. During COVID they showed a lot of the old All Ireland's on TG4 on a Sunday evening. Harder hits going in for sure but shocking quality of football compared to now.
royal11 (Meath) - Posts: 95 - 22/02/2024 10:03:43 2527497 Link 1 |
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Totally agree. When I watched them back it was an eye opener. Skills were at a minimum fitness was unheard of. Geraghty the first totally skilled and fit player we produced
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/02/2024 10:37:32 2527511 Link 0 |
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Games evolve and what's happened is teams have found a way to use a system that counteracts better or more skilled football teams. The powers that be need to seriously introduce changes that prevent a blanket defense. That might be restricting anymore than four forwards retreating past half way which means there's more space for opposite forwards as they wont face a wall of defenders. I don't know what the solution is but what I do know that football is an extremely hard watch over the last few years. Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 22/02/2024 10:37:56 2527512 Link 2 |
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100% agree, it waz more open and exciting but the quality was awful. A few rule changes and we could be back to exciting games with skill
Ed2010 (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 22/02/2024 12:37:50 2527535 Link 0 |
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Yep the advanced mark has to go. . Also got to say I'm ashamed to admit it. But as a spectator the fly goalie is quite exciting especially with a turn over.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/02/2024 13:46:02 2527561 Link 0 |
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1. Sean Brennan Meath4Tailteann (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 22/02/2024 14:09:52 2527567 Link 0 |
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'it waz more open and exciting but the quality was awful'I disagree with this, the game was played totally differently. I'd get hard to describe the modern game as having more quality. I suppose it depends on what you think of as quality. Quality for me is executing difficult skills and for the most part nowadays most of the time in matches is spent transferring the ball via uncontested handpassing. Giving an uncontested handpass or catching an uncontested handpass are not difficult skills. The fitness on display where players cover huge ground running at about 40% speed is very impressive but would you describe it as a 'high quality' part of Gaelic football?. Massed defenses has made decision making more difficult but again I would you use the word quality to describe that?. Years ago say when Darren Fay was playing he didn't have a massed defense infront of the ball so he had to rely more on his own ability as a defender than modern defensive players. I will admit some of the point taking nowadays is impressive compared to years ago but this is not surprising considering modern preparation. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1361 - 22/02/2024 14:36:47 2527574 Link 5 |
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The game is a lot different now with more hand passes then kicking and more running. We should change the name of the game to handball. Furthermore the players train 6 night a week. Now most folk who I speak to find it difficult to watch. Go to a match and you listen to guys shouting at the Ref expecting all the frees for their side- makes me wonder do they have any idea of rules of the game. Good camera work (many camera) makes the game appear better than live viewing so I not sure that you can apples with oranges.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/02/2024 15:23:50 2527582 Link 2 |
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Modern preparation as mentioned above is exactly why the quality of football is higher now. The skill levels, strength, fitness, decision making and tactical knowledge of players have all increased in comparison to 20-30 years ago. It will be the same again in 20-30 years time. Players today have benefitted from watching the likes of Darren Fay, Trevor Giles etc. and have learned from them. It's evolution seen in every sport, all sports now have athletes performing at a higher level than 30 years ago, it's why world records are broken. To say players are less skilled today is nonsense. I accept some people prefer to see more contests for possession and lumping the ball up the pitch but like soccer and rugby and hockey the game has evolved. Handpassing has been around for years, look up the 1980 All Ireland final on YouTube and watch the first attack of the game, the Roscommon number 10 catches a handpass unopposed and then hand passes the ball into the net for a goal. royal11 (Meath) - Posts: 95 - 23/02/2024 10:49:47 2527677 Link 0 |
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Really? Martin McConnell for instance-minimum skills?
bogger from meath (Meath) - Posts: 226 - 23/02/2024 13:19:27 2527706 Link 1 |