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Replying To Joe_soap1: "I don't mean in any way to take anything away from kildalkey because there doing a great job but with trim winning nearly everything last year and kildalkey going for the triple , I think it really shows how poor the standard is in Meath hurling at the minute. Kildalkey walked through the intermediate group stages apart from when they were missing a few lads lost to rathmoylan. First teams like Rathmoylon, drumree ,Kells , kilskyre , Ashbourne , o mahonys in my opinion are way off senior level hurling. Then you have senior B teams that are way off senior A level hurling . Big changes needed and it all starts from the bottom up." Its hardly The top 4 teams in meath fault everybody else is so bad?
hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 06/10/2023 13:28:29
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Replying To yourname: "I would like to see 8 senior teams,
8 intermediate teams, 8 junior A teams etc..
There are a few senior teams in name only. Intermediate is a poor grade and Ratoath are last team to really do well at senior level. No other team that has come up has got to a final in the last few years bar Longwood in 2012. It would also give intermediate teams a good chance in Leinster as the grade would be stronger. Realistically Trim, Kildalkey and Ratoath can win senior at present. 2 groups of 4, top 2 in semis, bottom in each group in relegation. For the betterment of hurling in the county, something has to be done. Then get the county team consistently competing in Joe McDonagh.
Based on this year's results
Senior
Ratoath
Trim
Kildalkey
Kiltale
Killyon
Blackhall Gaels
Na Fianna
Kilmessan
Intermediate
Clann na Gael
Dunderry
Dunboyne
Longwood
Navan O'Mahonys
Kildalkey 2
Kilskyre Moylagh
Donaghmore Ashbourne
Junior A
Rathmolyon
Drumree
Boardsmill
Kells
Wolfe Tones
Trim 2
St Pats
Kildalkey 3
Junior B
Dunboyne 2
Kilmessan 2
Killyon 2
Ratoath 2
Drumree 2
Clann na Gael 2
Kilskyre Moylagh 2
Navan O'Mahonys 2
Junior C
Trim 3
Dunderry 2
Rathmolyon 2
Drumree 3
St Pats 2
Wolfe Tones 2
Donaghmore Ashbourne 2
Ratoath 3" Not a bad restructuring and surely something that could be implemented now without too much resistance. 8 senior teams is probably still too much but getting it down to 6 would be difficult.
At the minute there are 3 teams that could win the championship but like everything, this will change. Compared to a lot of other counties there has been no real dominance of the championship over the last 5 years with 3 different winners and potentially a 4th Sunday week which is a good sign. Trim have the potential to dominate for a few years. This Senior A and Senior B group has to be scrapped though, waste of time for all involved. Ratoath have targeted two wins the last two years and fair play to them as they can then start peaking at the right time.
A stronger intermediate and junior will also benefit them teams. Some of those put down to junior might have an issue but if you are good enough you will be back in intermediate within a year with a championship under your belt.
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Replying To Joe_soap1: " Replying To Richieq: "[quote=yourname: "I would like to see 8 senior teams,
8 intermediate teams, 8 junior A teams etc..
There are a few senior teams in name only. Intermediate is a poor grade and Ratoath are last team to really do well at senior level. No other team that has come up has got to a final in the last few years bar Longwood in 2012. It would also give intermediate teams a good chance in Leinster as the grade would be stronger. Realistically Trim, Kildalkey and Ratoath can win senior at present. 2 groups of 4, top 2 in semis, bottom in each group in relegation. For the betterment of hurling in the county, something has to be done. Then get the county team consistently competing in Joe McDonagh.
Based on this year's results
Senior
Ratoath
Trim
Kildalkey
Kiltale
Killyon
Blackhall Gaels
Na Fianna
Kilmessan
Intermediate
Clann na Gael
Dunderry
Dunboyne
Longwood
Navan O'Mahonys
Kildalkey 2
Kilskyre Moylagh
Donaghmore Ashbourne
Junior A
Rathmolyon
Drumree
Boardsmill
Kells
Wolfe Tones
Trim 2
St Pats
Kildalkey 3
Junior B
Dunboyne 2
Kilmessan 2
Killyon 2
Ratoath 2
Drumree 2
Clann na Gael 2
Kilskyre Moylagh 2
Navan O'Mahonys 2
Junior C
Trim 3
Dunderry 2
Rathmolyon 2
Drumree 3
St Pats 2
Wolfe Tones 2
Donaghmore Ashbourne 2
Ratoath 3" That's a pretty decent shout, just a personal thing but I'd rather not see second teams in the intermediate grade, just my own opinion."
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 06/10/2023 15:25:34
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No Hurling Team of the week?
I feel Paddy Kelly is needed as next Meath Chairman, promotion of hurling in the county has reached a low level and feels like it's only getting in the way of football
Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 171 - 06/10/2023 16:07:16
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Replying To Richieq: " Replying To yourname: "I would like to see 8 senior teams,
8 intermediate teams, 8 junior A teams etc..
There are a few senior teams in name only. Intermediate is a poor grade and Ratoath are last team to really do well at senior level. No other team that has come up has got to a final in the last few years bar Longwood in 2012. It would also give intermediate teams a good chance in Leinster as the grade would be stronger. Realistically Trim, Kildalkey and Ratoath can win senior at present. 2 groups of 4, top 2 in semis, bottom in each group in relegation. For the betterment of hurling in the county, something has to be done. Then get the county team consistently competing in Joe McDonagh.
Based on this year's results
Senior
Ratoath
Trim
Kildalkey
Kiltale
Killyon
Blackhall Gaels
Na Fianna
Kilmessan
Intermediate
Clann na Gael
Dunderry
Dunboyne
Longwood
Navan O'Mahonys
Kildalkey 2
Kilskyre Moylagh
Donaghmore Ashbourne
Junior A
Rathmolyon
Drumree
Boardsmill
Kells
Wolfe Tones
Trim 2
St Pats
Kildalkey 3
Junior B
Dunboyne 2
Kilmessan 2
Killyon 2
Ratoath 2
Drumree 2
Clann na Gael 2
Kilskyre Moylagh 2
Navan O'Mahonys 2
Junior C
Trim 3
Dunderry 2
Rathmolyon 2
Drumree 3
St Pats 2
Wolfe Tones 2
Donaghmore Ashbourne 2
Ratoath 3" That's a pretty decent shout, just a personal thing but I'd rather not see second teams in the intermediate grade, just my own opinion."
I would be totally against a Premier type championships as in the football for second and subsequent teams because I think that experiment will be abandoned in a few years.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 06/10/2023 16:10:51
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Replying To yourname: "I would like to see 8 senior teams,
8 intermediate teams, 8 junior A teams etc..
There are a few senior teams in name only. Intermediate is a poor grade and Ratoath are last team to really do well at senior level. No other team that has come up has got to a final in the last few years bar Longwood in 2012. It would also give intermediate teams a good chance in Leinster as the grade would be stronger. Realistically Trim, Kildalkey and Ratoath can win senior at present. 2 groups of 4, top 2 in semis, bottom in each group in relegation. For the betterment of hurling in the county, something has to be done. Then get the county team consistently competing in Joe McDonagh.
Based on this year's results
Senior
Ratoath
Trim
Kildalkey
Kiltale
Killyon
Blackhall Gaels
Na Fianna
Kilmessan
Intermediate
Clann na Gael
Dunderry
Dunboyne
Longwood
Navan O'Mahonys
Kildalkey 2
Kilskyre Moylagh
Donaghmore Ashbourne
Junior A
Rathmolyon
Drumree
Boardsmill
Kells
Wolfe Tones
Trim 2
St Pats
Kildalkey 3
Junior B
Dunboyne 2
Kilmessan 2
Killyon 2
Ratoath 2
Drumree 2
Clann na Gael 2
Kilskyre Moylagh 2
Navan O'Mahonys 2
Junior C
Trim 3
Dunderry 2
Rathmolyon 2
Drumree 3
St Pats 2
Wolfe Tones 2
Donaghmore Ashbourne 2
Ratoath 3" 100% agree with this post! This format should be implemented as soon as possiple as it's the only way to make the standard of club hurling better which will in turn improve the county team.
Next year might be too soon to make this change but it should definitely happen for the 2025 season.
Meaths 12 Senior teams is way more than other counties that we want to be competing with at county level. Westmeath have 6 senior teams, Laois have 8, Kildare have 8,Kerry have 9 and Carlow have 5.
Keepthehighballlow (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 06/10/2023 18:12:15
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Entertaining weekend on the football side of things. Hopefully this weekend will just be as good. Really hope they have the band for senior hurling final also be great to see. Rataoth I'm sure will be itching to win the senior hurling after losing out yesterday.
I'm going for kildalkey to win intermediate and rataoth to win senior.
Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 09/10/2023 11:57:21
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Have a feeling Ratoath could win the senior alright, very physical strong hungry team, Kildalkey will win Intermediate i think by 5-6 points
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 09/10/2023 12:33:33
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Will the extra time in the football final affect Ratoath's dual players? I imagine it will make the recovery process a little more difficult.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 09/10/2023 22:32:53
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Intermediate: Kildalkey by 4. An experienced kildalkey team to come through this and set up their senior team to do the treble. Don't know much about Navan but the talk around this side of the county is Kildlakeys AvB games are ferocious.
Senior: a tight one here but I think Kildalkey will shade it. Ratoath still missing some big names and Kildlakey with easily 10 players who could walk into the county set up. Some going for a little rural club who also backbone a strong intermediate football club in their spare time. Kildalkey by 2.
LoyaleRoyale (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 13/10/2023 08:01:47
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Replying To LoyaleRoyale: "Intermediate: Kildalkey by 4. An experienced kildalkey team to come through this and set up their senior team to do the treble. Don't know much about Navan but the talk around this side of the county is Kildlakeys AvB games are ferocious.
Senior: a tight one here but I think Kildalkey will shade it. Ratoath still missing some big names and Kildlakey with easily 10 players who could walk into the county set up. Some going for a little rural club who also backbone a strong intermediate football club in their spare time. Kildalkey by 2." Who are ratoath missing??
Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 13/10/2023 15:24:54
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I'll buck the trend here. Kildalkey by 3 in the Intermediate and Kildalkey bt 6+ in the Senior.
Minor final has the making of a great game and here I fancy the Kilskyre Moylagh Kells amalgamation but no more than one or two points in it.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 14/10/2023 09:08:03
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What an intermediate final. Brilliant game and that's how hurling should be reffed , let flow and nothing soft. From a neutral it was definitely the game of the year for Meath hurling !
Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 14/10/2023 19:40:18
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Any word why Daithi McGowan was sent off in the senior final?
RoyalTribesman (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 16/10/2023 12:05:14
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Replying To RoyalTribesman: "Any word why Daithi McGowan was sent off in the senior final?" Didn't hear anything about it. The only thing I'd say is before the ball came in there was no shout from any kildakey player towards referee and umpires. The ball came in and the umpires called in the ref to issue red card. Could be guilty I honestly don't know but it ruined the game completely.
Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 16/10/2023 15:04:41
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That was a very tight game yesterday, Kildalkey I felt won almost every 50/50 ball and were a bit more dogged in their tackles and winning possession. The red card changed it, which is a pity because it would have been great to see both teams go head to head in the second half with the full complement of players. 14 v 15 for 30-odd minutes was always going to be tough.
Couple of questionable decisions by the ref / linesman. #30 for Ratoath seemed to get a smack on the helmet off the ball, but the ref sent it back for a puck out. No idea what the red card was for, it seemed to happen after a Ratoath player was fouled. He'll be disappointed in himself no doubt if it was a moment of madness. Defence on both sides did very well, neither keepers were really troubled, except at the end the Ratoath keeper made a serious save.
Thrilling game though, well done to Kildalkey. Great performance from the club as a whole this year.
B52M (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 16/10/2023 17:29:24
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Replying To Joe_soap1: "Didn't hear anything about it. The only thing I'd say is before the ball came in there was no shout from any kildakey player towards referee and umpires. The ball came in and the umpires called in the ref to issue red card. Could be guilty I honestly don't know but it ruined the game completely." I couldn't find out from anyone at the game what had happened either. It would have been nice to know what it was for considering how big a call it was at the time.
RoyalTribesman (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 16/10/2023 18:22:59
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Ratoath players did well and a big effort was made. Thanks to generous sponsor for getting Kelly back from Australia. Tough on lads carrying injuries from football as the senior footballers also went the full way.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 17/10/2023 10:32:15
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Replying To B52M: "That was a very tight game yesterday, Kildalkey I felt won almost every 50/50 ball and were a bit more dogged in their tackles and winning possession. The red card changed it, which is a pity because it would have been great to see both teams go head to head in the second half with the full complement of players. 14 v 15 for 30-odd minutes was always going to be tough.
Couple of questionable decisions by the ref / linesman. #30 for Ratoath seemed to get a smack on the helmet off the ball, but the ref sent it back for a puck out. No idea what the red card was for, it seemed to happen after a Ratoath player was fouled. He'll be disappointed in himself no doubt if it was a moment of madness. Defence on both sides did very well, neither keepers were really troubled, except at the end the Ratoath keeper made a serious save.
Thrilling game though, well done to Kildalkey. Great performance from the club as a whole this year." Didn't see it either but from what I heard there was two players tangling, the defender who instagted it went down and umpire reported the attacking player for striking (dubious whether there was a full strike involved). It's a very frustrating part of the game (in football also), i.e. a lot of the time the instigator (more often than not a defender) tends to get away with the original action and if you retaliate you get punished. As you say it ruined the game to an extent.
The strike on no. 30 for Ratoath was quite blatant, saw it myself and it was right in front of the linesman so not sure how he didn't see it, again a bit of tangling going on beforehand, but no consistency.
The same linesman also seemed to miss a point from Ratoath which was given wide by the umpires who seemed unsure. Certainly from the angle that I was at it looked over (similar angle to the linesman), similarly the people around me from Ratoath AND Kildalkey thought the same. What was worse was while Ratoath players were arguing for the ref to go speak to the linesman a quick puckout was taken and Kildalkey went up the field and got a point straight way. Not saying it cost Ratoath the win but it was a two point swing at a crucial point of the game.
Tough loss for Ratoath to take considering that was their third final in the last few years and following on from the football loss.
Got to give huge credit to the Kildalkey club as a whole, an unbelieveable year for them if they manage to go win the intermediate replay
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Replying To Whoknows!: "Didn't see it either but from what I heard there was two players tangling, the defender who instagted it went down and umpire reported the attacking player for striking (dubious whether there was a full strike involved). It's a very frustrating part of the game (in football also), i.e. a lot of the time the instigator (more often than not a defender) tends to get away with the original action and if you retaliate you get punished. As you say it ruined the game to an extent.
The strike on no. 30 for Ratoath was quite blatant, saw it myself and it was right in front of the linesman so not sure how he didn't see it, again a bit of tangling going on beforehand, but no consistency.
The same linesman also seemed to miss a point from Ratoath which was given wide by the umpires who seemed unsure. Certainly from the angle that I was at it looked over (similar angle to the linesman), similarly the people around me from Ratoath AND Kildalkey thought the same. What was worse was while Ratoath players were arguing for the ref to go speak to the linesman a quick puckout was taken and Kildalkey went up the field and got a point straight way. Not saying it cost Ratoath the win but it was a two point swing at a crucial point of the game.
Tough loss for Ratoath to take considering that was their third final in the last few years and following on from the football loss.
Got to give huge credit to the Kildalkey club as a whole, an unbelieveable year for them if they manage to go win the intermediate replay" You just have stopped at "didn't see it either". Conjecture and hearsay does no-one any good.
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