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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I get it seadog , I mean we could constantly give different view points all day every day and I respect that and I always take on board what everyone's view point is .

But for me the current management team have shown nothing that I can say given more time we will see improvements and that is unfortunate because I want everyone to do well , I have no agenda , no north or south Meath divide , I just want the county team to be the best they can be ."
Yes we all hoped for better in some of the basic stuff at this early stage even. However ,realistically It is a learning curve for management and the backroom team. I think we will see some changes and challenges on the road ahead. I think Colm should continue for at least the 2 years. I do believe he would not be happy so far ,but i also believe he will do what it takes to rescue the situation. He is still the man best equipped to learn from mistakes and move on. We must remember he is really at early stages and let him at it. The amusing thing at this stage to me is that the most travelled meath supporter seems to get great milage out of his agenda that nearly looks like hoping for failure because of WHO is at the wheel .I hope he can cope when we turn the corner shortly!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 29/04/2023 09:33:39    2474469

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I get it seadog , I mean we could constantly give different view points all day every day and I respect that and I always take on board what everyone's view point is .

But for me the current management team have shown nothing that I can say given more time we will see improvements and that is unfortunate because I want everyone to do well , I have no agenda , no north or south Meath divide , I just want the county team to be the best they can be ."
Agree things not looking great, but still early days, would love us to be doing better but still in favour of giving him the two years, changing now would do more harm than good. If things have not improved by this time next year, he wont have to be pushed he will go. As you say its just different viewpoints and in reality none of us has the answer , loads of questions but have yet to see a credible solution.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 29/04/2023 11:32:41    2474491

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Replying To nobull456:  "Yes we all hoped for better in some of the basic stuff at this early stage even. However ,realistically It is a learning curve for management and the backroom team. I think we will see some changes and challenges on the road ahead. I think Colm should continue for at least the 2 years. I do believe he would not be happy so far ,but i also believe he will do what it takes to rescue the situation. He is still the man best equipped to learn from mistakes and move on. We must remember he is really at early stages and let him at it. The amusing thing at this stage to me is that the most travelled meath supporter seems to get great milage out of his agenda that nearly looks like hoping for failure because of WHO is at the wheel .I hope he can cope when we turn the corner shortly!"
Best equipped?? :). Thanks I needed a laugh.
Btw how did Colm's great review go after the league that you were blabbing on about?? Oh that's right there was none cause Colm doesn't think anything is wrong.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/04/2023 15:33:20    2474531

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Best equipped?? :). Thanks I needed a laugh.
Btw how did Colm's great review go after the league that you were blabbing on about?? Oh that's right there was none cause Colm doesn't think anything is wrong."
Hold on to your hat !!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 29/04/2023 16:09:35    2474537

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Best equipped?? :). Thanks I needed a laugh.
Btw how did Colm's great review go after the league that you were blabbing on about?? Oh that's right there was none cause Colm doesn't think anything is wrong."
Not so long ago you expected posters to belive you when lnforming all that Colm was forced to hold a clear the air review with panel, now you seem to think it did not happen. You continue to trip yourself up. Time to show a bit of common sense and stop posting unfounded rubbish.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 29/04/2023 17:18:28    2474541

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Replying To seadog54:  "Not so long ago you expected posters to belive you when lnforming all that Colm was forced to hold a clear the air review with panel, now you seem to think it did not happen. You continue to trip yourself up. Time to show a bit of common sense and stop posting unfounded rubbish."
No I'm talking about onlybull assertions that Colm would hold a review. The meeting was organised by the players. Not management. . And what's more this has been confirmed by davey rispin. So please educate yourself before posting. As it does back up that you know absolutely nothing about Meath football.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/04/2023 18:30:29    2474548

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Replying To royaldunne:  "No I'm talking about onlybull assertions that Colm would hold a review. The meeting was organised by the players. Not management. . And what's more this has been confirmed by davey rispin. So please educate yourself before posting. As it does back up that you know absolutely nothing about Meath football."
Stop digging !! just hold on a little longer, but remember do hold on to your hat. You know i dont think you have the inside track as you say at all if you think thats all the review entails. Even you should know the real review is private to avoid speculators i assume !
Again HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT !!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 29/04/2023 19:41:45    2474557

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Replying To nobull456:  "Stop digging !! just hold on a little longer, but remember do hold on to your hat. You know i dont think you have the inside track as you say at all if you think thats all the review entails. Even you should know the real review is private to avoid speculators i assume !
Again HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT !!"
I have ZERO inside track. And NEVER said I had. I knew a few former players who would say this that or the other. I knew someone in the background in previous administration that again would say the odd bit of info. So I don't know where you made up anything else about that. I'm sure at some stage we have all known people or players involved. And get little bits and pieces here and there. All else is from supporters that we would meet. And that is all. As for Colm's review? I don't buy it. I genuinely believe you think he has had one as you have him on a pedestal and believe he is the second coming. I'm of the view that he is not a ic manager and he has been caught out . That said one of the greatest players to ever play the game. But as they say great players don't make great managers.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/04/2023 20:20:03    2474572

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "Folks,
I listened to an OTB podcast with David Clifford last night and he said a few something that I thought was interesting and just was wondering if this applies to Meath!

David was chatting with paddy Andrews and he said that when he came into the Senior Squad first that he was apprehensive about his position, nervous that he wouldn't be picked and that this impacted his performance. But, his manager at the time (Keane??) committed to him and to the 3 other lads who had just come through the Minor ranks. He said because there was a consistency in how the team was picked and players were treated that the nervousness and apprehension fell away.

He made the point that for a young lad, there is nothing worse than not knowing 1. whether you were going to be picked or not and 2. being picked but playing with the fear of being substituted.

Once the lads knew and trusted that they were going to get a fair crack at it, they were able to settle in and play their best! he said that there was a fair bit of consistency across the league teams that he started with and that this helped!

Now I know Clifford and O'Shea etc are class acts but it strikes me that the Meath team selections in the league are not so consistent - especially up front. Perhaps this leads to some of our forwards not playing at their best! Do they know the role they are playing, do they know the position they are playing and are they playing with the fear of being taken off or dropped for one bad performance! I know it sounds very simple but I think we would all agree that layers like Joey Wallace, James Conlon, Aaron Lynch, Jordan Morris etc etc all look brilliant when they play for their clubs, but have not transferred this to County level. And it can't be because the backs that are marking them at county are that much better as that would suggest our backs are also not good!

Maybe it would be better to just say - right you are going to be our starting 6 players for the championship, you are number 7 and 8 of the forwards - now get to it!!

What do you think!"
Good post. The best manager I had as a young lad coming through told me I was starting every game in the A league and no matter what I did I wasn't ever going to be substituted before at least the 50th minute. Gave me both great confidence and the assurance to pace myself and play my own game.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 29/04/2023 20:40:56    2474582

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I have ZERO inside track. And NEVER said I had. I knew a few former players who would say this that or the other. I knew someone in the background in previous administration that again would say the odd bit of info. So I don't know where you made up anything else about that. I'm sure at some stage we have all known people or players involved. And get little bits and pieces here and there. All else is from supporters that we would meet. And that is all. As for Colm's review? I don't buy it. I genuinely believe you think he has had one as you have him on a pedestal and believe he is the second coming. I'm of the view that he is not a ic manager and he has been caught out . That said one of the greatest players to ever play the game. But as they say great players don't make great managers."
If you said he deseserves more time then no argument . Thats the norm as you know very well. As like everyone else on here i want to see more progress ......maybe i am a bit impatient but thats my problem not Colm O Rourkes. Fair is fair Dont insult readers by trying to present your views as objective and unbiased. .Thats why your views are challenged so often not that you have a view ,but rather how they are presented. Just try to be constructive instead. NO further comment !

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 29/04/2023 20:45:00    2474584

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Replying To nobull456:  "If you said he deseserves more time then no argument . Thats the norm as you know very well. As like everyone else on here i want to see more progress ......maybe i am a bit impatient but thats my problem not Colm O Rourkes. Fair is fair Dont insult readers by trying to present your views as objective and unbiased. .Thats why your views are challenged so often not that you have a view ,but rather how they are presented. Just try to be constructive instead. NO further comment !"
My views are often agreed with More often than not. Again I want Colm to be a successful manager. As that means Meath are a successful team. I had my reservations and unfortunately he SO FAR has not only reached my worst fears but surpassed them. I live in hope , but I honestly think if serious improvement is not seen by years end, we must bite the bullet and get someone who can stop the alarming slide in performances since he has come in. Who that may be I have no idea. But someone needs to grab this by scruff of neck.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/04/2023 22:11:19    2474614

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The training preparation and strategies are of the 1970s. The best clubs and best players especially those suited to the modern game are left out in favour of those from 'well connected families'.
Good players from last year's were dropped. And the new players were dropped.
If it is going to be worth paying into Meath games next year Sentimentally about the 1980s is not going to do it. Management need to be dropped now.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 30/04/2023 15:17:47    2474715

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Replying To Ashrules:  "The training preparation and strategies are of the 1970s. The best clubs and best players especially those suited to the modern game are left out in favour of those from 'well connected families'.
Good players from last year's were dropped. And the new players were dropped.
If it is going to be worth paying into Meath games next year Sentimentally about the 1980s is not going to do it. Management need to be dropped now."
I agree , this thing about a manger should get more time I disagree with , the manger has to show something that we can all buy into , if you can see direction and a plan in place your more comfortable as fan that things will improve next year , but we gave the past two Meath managers time and nothing came if it , everyone always says Meath club football is at a poor standard , so why would you give the Meath county job to a Meath club manger ?

Then we have lads will just back the thing they say on here just not wanting to be wrong but knowing they are wrong because they have a axe to grind with another poster , it's a twitter mentality of not wanting to be wrong a left / right American thing , it's like watching two bald men fighting over a hair comb.

If I was a player on the Meath team , and if I was playing poorly for six games and show nothing that I am county standard , then I should be dropped from the county team and that is fair, why does the manger get the free pass on this if his performance so far after a extremely poor showing in the last six games ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 30/04/2023 15:53:23    2474723

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I agree , this thing about a manger should get more time I disagree with , the manger has to show something that we can all buy into , if you can see direction and a plan in place your more comfortable as fan that things will improve next year , but we gave the past two Meath managers time and nothing came if it , everyone always says Meath club football is at a poor standard , so why would you give the Meath county job to a Meath club manger ?

Then we have lads will just back the thing they say on here just not wanting to be wrong but knowing they are wrong because they have a axe to grind with another poster , it's a twitter mentality of not wanting to be wrong a left / right American thing , it's like watching two bald men fighting over a hair comb.

If I was a player on the Meath team , and if I was playing poorly for six games and show nothing that I am county standard , then I should be dropped from the county team and that is fair, why does the manger get the free pass on this if his performance so far after a extremely poor showing in the last six games ?"
I don't know if the others are bald. But I'm certainly on the receding side of things. :).
Look I agree with you. The funny thing is I said I didn't think mcentee should get another year before his last. The thing that turned it for me was the performance in the covid league. It just was haphazard. . But cb did nothing until mouth of league and that was way too late. Should have never got to that. I'm sure Colm knows this isn't working out. And despite what some may think I believe at end of year he will do the right thing for Meath football going forward and step aside. I honestly don't think we will stay on

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2023 16:25:14    2474734

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Today's results show us in a very poor light. Dublin have came back in Leinster but louth , Kildare, Offaly Westmeath are better positioned to take advantage of that than we are. We have gone from so called second best team in province to also rans. At best 5th in province. We won't beat Offaly in tailteann and should Kildare find themselves there too we won't beat them. Down would beat us as I think Fermanagh would too. Let's hope for a lucky draw on Tuesday. But I really don't care anymore, that is a sentence I thought I'd never write. (:

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2023 18:37:49    2474773

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Seed 1) Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Limerick
Seed 2) Down, Offaly, Antrim, Wicklow
Seed 3) Longford, Tipperary, Laois, Wexford
Seed 4) Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, London

So this is the line-up for the draw. The fixtures for Meath will be vs. third seed first, then fourth, then second. Get through that and you're into the Qtrs etc. There is a clear pathway into the knockout stages of this tournament, the question is; can this Meath panel get themselves into a position to challenge?

I dont know how to feel about it all.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 596 - 30/04/2023 19:51:41    2474802

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Seed 1) Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Limerick
Seed 2) Down, Offaly, Antrim, Wicklow
Seed 3) Longford, Tipperary, Laois, Wexford
Seed 4) Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, London

So this is the line-up for the draw. The fixtures for Meath will be vs. third seed first, then fourth, then second. Get through that and you're into the Qtrs etc. There is a clear pathway into the knockout stages of this tournament, the question is; can this Meath panel get themselves into a position to challenge?

I dont know how to feel about it all."
Before new format we would have to wait till next season before playing a competitive game. TC gives all concerned a chance to build at bit of confidence, introduce a few from u20s and endevour to build a game plan that suits the players. Hopefully we have learned from the harsh lessons and put learnings to good use. Pointless dwelling on the negatives for to long. As you say we get at least three games and hopefully a few more in knockout stages. Would any Meath supporters be looking forward to playing, Kerry, Galway or Derry with any real hope? So I am looking forward to draw on Tuesday and see where it takes us. Its been coming for years, as another poster said take the medicine, it might be the start of the cure.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 30/04/2023 20:34:40    2474817

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I agree , this thing about a manger should get more time I disagree with , the manger has to show something that we can all buy into , if you can see direction and a plan in place your more comfortable as fan that things will improve next year , but we gave the past two Meath managers time and nothing came if it , everyone always says Meath club football is at a poor standard , so why would you give the Meath county job to a Meath club manger ?

Then we have lads will just back the thing they say on here just not wanting to be wrong but knowing they are wrong because they have a axe to grind with another poster , it's a twitter mentality of not wanting to be wrong a left / right American thing , it's like watching two bald men fighting over a hair comb.

If I was a player on the Meath team , and if I was playing poorly for six games and show nothing that I am county standard , then I should be dropped from the county team and that is fair, why does the manger get the free pass on this if his performance so far after a extremely poor showing in the last six games ?"
Getting rid of manager after six poor results/dont see improvement seems at best extreme. Do we adopt a next man up policy, you have six games to turn things around or you too are out the door? Dont expect a lot of interest in position. CB went for internal choice last time, because we had no outside interest, COR was approached to put his name forward, having no inital interest. Reason I back Colm to complete his term is nothing to do with anything other than what is right. There is no way the CB can go back on the deal they struck only last year. At that stage even they realised we were at best threading water and sinking further every season. We constantly call on them to get their house in order, doing what you ask, strips then of any shread of integrity or credability. So best of luck getting next man up.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 30/04/2023 21:04:38    2474823

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Seed 1) Meath, Cavan, Fermanagh, Limerick
Seed 2) Down, Offaly, Antrim, Wicklow
Seed 3) Longford, Tipperary, Laois, Wexford
Seed 4) Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, London

So this is the line-up for the draw. The fixtures for Meath will be vs. third seed first, then fourth, then second. Get through that and you're into the Qtrs etc. There is a clear pathway into the knockout stages of this tournament, the question is; can this Meath panel get themselves into a position to challenge?

I dont know how to feel about it all."
It's the Tommy Murphy cup under a different name. It's pathetic that we are in it. I'm ambivalent to it. Also I don't see many teams we will beat looking at them there Wexford might be our best chance in first game.
You just know we gonna draw Antrim too , Offaly would beat us easily if we drew them. Probably Leitrim would fancy their chances too. We are in such a diabolical situation I really don't know anymore

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2023 22:26:04    2474836

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Replying To royaldunne:  "It's the Tommy Murphy cup under a different name. It's pathetic that we are in it. I'm ambivalent to it. Also I don't see many teams we will beat looking at them there Wexford might be our best chance in first game.
You just know we gonna draw Antrim too , Offaly would beat us easily if we drew them. Probably Leitrim would fancy their chances too. We are in such a diabolical situation I really don't know anymore"
I think you need counselling you take this too serious .
There was a time I'd die for football I put my wedding back because of the leinster final in 97 and that didn't go too well neither did the football .
Football is puke now not worth getting stressed over backwards , sideways , hand pass after hand pass frees going backwards , goalies out in the middle of the field , the mark , and its almost none contact .
Nothing like the good old days of 15 against 15 man on man and the best team win .
Don't get stressed it's not worth it anymore

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 281 - 01/05/2023 00:11:54    2474846

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