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Replying To Royalblufill: "Thanks be to God the Ratoath lads are past their primes! If not they'd be going for 5 Keegan's in a rom instead of 4 in 5 years!" Without pointing out the obvious about my post as i wasnt talking about club level but clearly touched a nerve for you, they are past their prime at intercounty level(suggesting they had one). Butt if you take off the green and gold blinkers, you would see that Keegan cups are as good as an intermediate standard when it comes to our winners competing in leinster. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 30/03/2023 11:35:31 2467748 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "There are deffo a few red flags and tbh if he didn't have the backroom staff he has, I'd be more worried. I think we just have to show faith for the moment and keep an open mind. The likes of the lads he seems to have unceremoniously dropped off the panel weren't up to much anyway - tried and tested and are Div3 players or else talented but seemingly brainless in a footballing sense. I think O'Rourke had identified some good young players in the pipeline and is working on the culture he wants those young lads to come into. This year is maybe a bit of a write off anyway and he's already done ok to keep us up in Div 2 - he's about par with expectations while showing a ruthless streak I wasn't sure he had. His Simonstown teams were very open and helter skelter, entertaining and brilliant one day and then in disarray the next - I hope his Meath teams aren't like that long term but that's where his coaching ticket comes in. O'Rourke can create the culture and environment and that's his role - more of a Ferguson than a manager with a coaching whistle." His Simonstown team went 15 games in a row unbeaten in the senior championship, not very helper skelter as you say. Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 30/03/2023 11:38:53 2467749 Link
Replying To Royalblufill: "Thanks be to God the Ratoath lads are past their primes! If not they'd be going for 5 Keegan's in a rom instead of 4 in 5 years!" What has the past got to do with Ratoath players being past their prime? Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 30/03/2023 11:45:20 2467750 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "There are deffo a few red flags and tbh if he didn't have the backroom staff he has, I'd be more worried. I think we just have to show faith for the moment and keep an open mind. The likes of the lads he seems to have unceremoniously dropped off the panel weren't up to much anyway - tried and tested and are Div3 players or else talented but seemingly brainless in a footballing sense. I think O'Rourke had identified some good young players in the pipeline and is working on the culture he wants those young lads to come into. This year is maybe a bit of a write off anyway and he's already done ok to keep us up in Div 2 - he's about par with expectations while showing a ruthless streak I wasn't sure he had. His Simonstown teams were very open and helter skelter, entertaining and brilliant one day and then in disarray the next - I hope his Meath teams aren't like that long term but that's where his coaching ticket comes in. O'Rourke can create the culture and environment and that's his role - more of a Ferguson than a manager with a coaching whistle." Thats it, he is there to put the foundations in place and create a culture and structure that gives young lads a decent chance to develop into top class intercounty players. Progress will mainly depend on the coaches and management team he puts in place. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 30/03/2023 12:04:25 2467761 Link
Replying To Irish_downunder: "Without pointing out the obvious about my post as i wasnt talking about club level but clearly touched a nerve for you, they are past their prime at intercounty level(suggesting they had one). Butt if you take off the green and gold blinkers, you would see that Keegan cups are as good as an intermediate standard when it comes to our winners competing in leinster." No nerve touched at all - I'm not a Ratoath player but a near neighbour! I actually laugh at how people focus on them! They've been the best club in Meath for the last 4 years - I think your comment about the standard of the senior championship in Meath is probably the most accurate thing said - and in that basis - why would be expecting to compete at a higher level nationally! It's part of the reason I think the regional finalists should be brought into the senior championship - it might improve the over all standard of the senior championship As for the Ratoath lads being past their prime - they were good enough to win a keegan less than 6 months ago and they have more than just McMahon, McGill and the Wallace's! But - leaving the club thing aside - the fact of the matter is - the team are struggling at the moment - they seem to be playing without confidence and without a robust game plan - I don't count kicking it into the full forward line quickly as a robust game plan! The final thing I will say - I have followed the likes of Jordy Morris and Eoin Harkin from when they were with developments squads through minor and 21 (20s) - I've seen first hand how much work they put in throughout the year - and I will never question their commitment or desire - it's a shame they aren't getting more out of what they are putting in! Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 30/03/2023 12:22:16 2467766 Link
Replying To Maestro: "His Simonstown team went 15 games in a row unbeaten in the senior championship, not very helper skelter as you say." Maestro, you make a fair point but that was 2016/17. It's 2023 now and in his last spell 2021/22 -Simonstown we're in relegation play offs. Nnow admittedly that earlier team had Nash and Shane O'Rourke, mckeever, Kenny, McCabe and Tobin and a lads called brian Conlon and Niall Kane breaking through, who were huge contributors . Since then Simon's have dropped well back. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/03/2023 12:26:48 2467768 Link
Replying To nobull456: "So your contribution is unbiased, supportive, constructive, not sowing the seed to divide,and timely ???? NO Further comment !!!!" And if a similar post was made last year about a certain mr McEntee,wow betide you'd have got it then from said poster But it's alright for some to speak out of both sides of their mouth eh.. and slander Colm O'Rourke without a shred of evidence. What's that old saying our parents aLways said to us going out the door… if you've nothing good to say, say nothing at all… brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/03/2023 12:31:00 2467769 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "I don't read RD posts, just skip by them. I'm surprised you and others don't do the same. Zero interest in engaging with that kind of stuff. Try it!" We'll said crinigan, the more I see in recent weeks the more accurate your statement is. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/03/2023 12:32:23 2467770 Link
Replying To Maestro: "His Simonstown team went 15 games in a row unbeaten in the senior championship, not very helper skelter as you say." 11 points up on Blackhall in a county final at half time with the wind in second half and still lost. Numerous examples of inconsistency. Cian Ward even brought it up on a podcast last week with Colm Parkinson. His teams can be too open as we've seen in past 6 games. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 30/03/2023 12:39:29 2467773 Link
Replying To Royalblufill: "No nerve touched at all - I'm not a Ratoath player but a near neighbour! I actually laugh at how people focus on them! They've been the best club in Meath for the last 4 years - I think your comment about the standard of the senior championship in Meath is probably the most accurate thing said - and in that basis - why would be expecting to compete at a higher level nationally! It's part of the reason I think the regional finalists should be brought into the senior championship - it might improve the over all standard of the senior championship As for the Ratoath lads being past their prime - they were good enough to win a keegan less than 6 months ago and they have more than just McMahon, McGill and the Wallace's! But - leaving the club thing aside - the fact of the matter is - the team are struggling at the moment - they seem to be playing without confidence and without a robust game plan - I don't count kicking it into the full forward line quickly as a robust game plan! The final thing I will say - I have followed the likes of Jordy Morris and Eoin Harkin from when they were with developments squads through minor and 21 (20s) - I've seen first hand how much work they put in throughout the year - and I will never question their commitment or desire - it's a shame they aren't getting more out of what they are putting in!" So the stated tactic was to get the ball into the full forward line as direct as possible! What I found strange about that is that you go and tell everyone that is what you are going to do! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 30/03/2023 12:42:28 2467775 Link
Replying To Maestro: "His Simonstown team went 15 games in a row unbeaten in the senior championship, not very helper skelter as you say." That's a good point. COR's Simonstown team in the league vs championship were two different animals. They were soft touches in the league and you could bully them but in championship they would fight tooth and nail and had that never say die attitude. I remember playing against them in the group in 2017 and they just went to town on us. I remember walking off the field thinking this isn't like the Simonstown of old. UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 30/03/2023 12:42:49 2467776 Link
Replying To Maestro: "His Simonstown team went 15 games in a row unbeaten in the senior championship, not very helper skelter as you say." Yeah and they have also won 1 senior championship group game out of the last 9 they have played including losing every group game in 2021 and 2022. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 30/03/2023 12:47:07 2467777 Link
Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "I've been ignoring this thread the last few days and just posting on the 20's as it has been fairly toxic. The whole situation around and in the senior team really seems downbeat at the minute. If it is true that Morris and Harkin are dropped on top of McGill then to me it is quite concerning. I don't think it's an attitude thing because everything I have heard about Harkin is that you won't find a more diligent and dedicated player who is always looking to improve. So I don't fully understand the motivation. The saving grace is we do have 4 weeks off and then we are guaranteed more games in a round Robin. So there is a chance to turn the season around. But truth be told we had an awful league both results and performance wise and now there seems to be so much noise before the championship. I can't really figure out O'Rourke's train of thought. He started Harkin at the weekend and then dropped him. Conlon started games too, was on the 26 on Sunday and was dropped. I think Jordy started every game bar Kildare where he was injured and yet it appears they were dropped. It's a really confusing one. Like I said we have a lot of time off and then should have quite a few championship games to resurrect the year. But as of now I'll pretend the seniors don't exist for a while and enjoy the 20's!" I support COR but it's always odd when a team isn't doing well and starters are knocked off the panel directly - it's a bit chaotic. Perhaps management really seeing league as a learning and trial process and they are confident that (a) these lads not what they want and (b) there are other players ready to take their place. I just hope that u20s and development squads are all in contact regularly with COR and the thinking is joined up. I'm surprised at Harkin being dropped, not so much Jordan who although very talented, isn't a Meath type forward. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 30/03/2023 12:49:34 2467779 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "11 points up on Blackhall in a county final at half time with the wind in second half and still lost. Numerous examples of inconsistency. Cian Ward even brought it up on a podcast last week with Colm Parkinson. His teams can be too open as we've seen in past 6 games." I think that final loss was down to players more so. Big difference between O Rourkes two spells is he was more ruthless second time around if players weren't pulling their weight or working hard enough. Playing against Simonstown you always knew they had a few lads who you could bully or their head would drop but in COR second spell that disappeared come championship when they got their strongest team out. He learned that 15 nice footballers don't cut it and you need lads like Moran and Niall McMahon who will do what it takes to win. It took him a while to figure that out find the players he needed but he eventually did. UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 30/03/2023 12:53:28 2467780 Link
Replying To seadog54: "I agree there is too much comment for such an early stage, driven mainly by one poster who has an axe to grind based mainly on fact he cannot accept that Andy is gone and that leads to many others piling in to call him out for what he is, in truth many of should know better, myself included. Haters are going to hate no matter what. I think this time we need to step away, not overly focus on results or who is in the hot seat. This time it has to be different or we just continue to slowly slide further down the pecking order. Give it a chance and future rewards will far outweigh a short term quick fix. ." Hahaha. Apparently I'm the only one that can see what's going on. And I'm creating a pile on by convincing others. Not the Clare, louth Limerick, Dublin Kildare games and no game plan. No lads it's all me. Now all now down to my will. And just to show the utter bs that some posters print on here. I called for the removal of Andy after year 5, he should never have been given another year. But don't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. :). royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/03/2023 13:07:47 2467786 Link
Replying To nobull456: "So your contribution is unbiased, supportive, constructive, not sowing the seed to divide,and timely ???? NO Further comment !!!!" So in other words you taking ** ? As there is no review as Colm believes like you and a couple of other cabbages that he can do no wrong. Got ya royaldunne (Meath)** - Posts: 19449 - 30/03/2023 13:14:50 2467788 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "11 points up on Blackhall in a county final at half time with the wind in second half and still lost. Numerous examples of inconsistency. Cian Ward even brought it up on a podcast last week with Colm Parkinson. His teams can be too open as we've seen in past 6 games." Ye I heard what Cian Ward said alright and wouldn't pay to much attention to what he has to says. What ever you way look at it winning back to back Keegan cups and going 15 games in a row would be very consistent form to me. Yeah this Meath team definitely needs to tighten up and their form is consistently bad. Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 30/03/2023 13:16:56 2467789 Link
Replying To Royalblufill: "No nerve touched at all - I'm not a Ratoath player but a near neighbour! I actually laugh at how people focus on them! They've been the best club in Meath for the last 4 years - I think your comment about the standard of the senior championship in Meath is probably the most accurate thing said - and in that basis - why would be expecting to compete at a higher level nationally! It's part of the reason I think the regional finalists should be brought into the senior championship - it might improve the over all standard of the senior championship As for the Ratoath lads being past their prime - they were good enough to win a keegan less than 6 months ago and they have more than just McMahon, McGill and the Wallace's! But - leaving the club thing aside - the fact of the matter is - the team are struggling at the moment - they seem to be playing without confidence and without a robust game plan - I don't count kicking it into the full forward line quickly as a robust game plan! The final thing I will say - I have followed the likes of Jordy Morris and Eoin Harkin from when they were with developments squads through minor and 21 (20s) - I've seen first hand how much work they put in throughout the year - and I will never question their commitment or desire - it's a shame they aren't getting more out of what they are putting in!" I hear you, but id imagine most of the other lads you didnt mention have either been asked for trials or havent made themselves available( or id like to think they have been as you mention they are performing at the top end of what we have). We also have to remember its some commitment these days just to play for your club and to give even more to the county is something else entirely as it effects your entire lifestyle and your families so its not for everyone. It is annoying that morris and harkin are dropped but theres only a few men in the county that know why. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 30/03/2023 13:18:21 2467791 Link
Replying To brian: "We'll said crinigan, the more I see in recent weeks the more accurate your statement is." Stop talking to yourself. Do you want me to pull up the post where you replied to yourself without logging out of the one you were in :). Please royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/03/2023 13:18:33 2467792 Link
Replying To brian: "We'll said crinigan, the more I see in recent weeks the more accurate your statement is." Point well made by Crinigan, but its like having a boil on your ass, you know you should not pick but can't help yourself. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 30/03/2023 13:54:06 2467806 Link