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Tailteann Cup/Sam Maguire

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So our last manager got 6 years in the job, and the one before that 4 years, but O'Rourke is apparently on thin ice before he has even played 1 championship game?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 10/04/2023 10:41:40    2469965

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "In a way, I'm glad that we will actually have to earn our place and if we don't make it, we don't deserve it.

Unrelated, but fair play to Connell Ahearne for top scoring for New York last night and helping them to their first ever championship win."
Great win for New York - can't be easy for teams travelling to gaelic park - new york gaa doing a good job -
Well done to them and to Connell - got some critical scores!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 10/04/2023 11:28:14    2469976

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I believe one Scenario that would bring Meath back into Sam, is Westmeath reaching Leinster final. They would then qualify for group stages of Sam Maguire as number 1 or number 2 seed ( rather than as Tailteann Cup winners, (no. 4 seed) and would free up that spot for the next league based team (Meath at the moment). I know you would prefer getting their on your own merits, but that is your get out of jail card. Cavan or Down or Fermanagh reaching Ulster final would send you back there however. We (Kildare) are next in line for the chop and if Meath or any of the 3 Ulster teams named reach their provincial final that would put us in the Tailteann, (unless we beat the Dubs), Westmeath reaching Leinster final would save us if one of the Div 3 teams reach Ulster final.

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 10/04/2023 11:37:25    2469980

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Unfortunately it is clear that this season is gone already with the Clare result and the set up we have . I am not a fan but have to admit Mickey Harte is showing with Louth how the Job is done. If Meath are to get back on track they need to finance a proper structure behind the team lead by someone like Peter Canavan, Davy Byrne, Jim Mc Guinness, Maurice Fitzgerald, Davy Fitzgerald, Cora Staunton, or Paddy Carr.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 10/04/2023 14:16:03    2470014

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "So our last manager got 6 years in the job, and the one before that 4 years, but O'Rourke is apparently on thin ice before he has even played 1 championship game?"
As much as I was critical of mod and indeed mcentee last year and year before. I feel this is the worst start to a manger's campaign ever. Forget about the results look at the way we playing, devoid of any coherent game plan, players honestly not knowing what to do, looking unfit and worst of all looking uninspired and uninterested. Just going through motions for sake of it. That NEVER happened under 2 previous managers even banty time and eob. Criticise all we like of them managers at least the players looked like to buy into vision for most part. But not now. That can not be all landed at Colm's feet the players MUST take their fair share of criticism (not them all but majority) 3 definitely playing their hearts out, Jones Flynn Costello and could add O'Neil too. When a manager comes in he brings a new urgency to a team that for whatever reason has not happened YET. I use yet as I feel it may turn around. 2 games and very bad league will be forgotten.
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/04/2023 14:54:50    2470028

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Replying To NorthKildare:  "I believe one Scenario that would bring Meath back into Sam, is Westmeath reaching Leinster final. They would then qualify for group stages of Sam Maguire as number 1 or number 2 seed ( rather than as Tailteann Cup winners, (no. 4 seed) and would free up that spot for the next league based team (Meath at the moment). I know you would prefer getting their on your own merits, but that is your get out of jail card. Cavan or Down or Fermanagh reaching Ulster final would send you back there however. We (Kildare) are next in line for the chop and if Meath or any of the 3 Ulster teams named reach their provincial final that would put us in the Tailteann, (unless we beat the Dubs), Westmeath reaching Leinster final would save us if one of the Div 3 teams reach Ulster final."
Not so sure, maybe, would have to look at that again

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/04/2023 15:00:12    2470030

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Replying To NorthKildare:  "I believe one Scenario that would bring Meath back into Sam, is Westmeath reaching Leinster final. They would then qualify for group stages of Sam Maguire as number 1 or number 2 seed ( rather than as Tailteann Cup winners, (no. 4 seed) and would free up that spot for the next league based team (Meath at the moment). I know you would prefer getting their on your own merits, but that is your get out of jail card. Cavan or Down or Fermanagh reaching Ulster final would send you back there however. We (Kildare) are next in line for the chop and if Meath or any of the 3 Ulster teams named reach their provincial final that would put us in the Tailteann, (unless we beat the Dubs), Westmeath reaching Leinster final would save us if one of the Div 3 teams reach Ulster final."
Meath getting to A/I group stage must be merit based, if we cannot get to Leinster Final, what chance have we in group stages? It will be Super 8s and Div one all over again. My view on TC v Sam has changed over last few months. Main reasons is our poor form, very inexperienced panel and in the very early stages of a long term project, we are not as yet, ready to compete with the top ten and heavy losses will do little to help progression. We never seemed to recover from heavy defeats in S8's and Div One and have been on a downward curve sence. The fact TC is not a straight ko this year means at least three games and hopefully more, gives management a great chance to build a winning mentality, something we have lacked for years, also a chance to introduce more new blood with an eye to next years league. In short if we reach LF on our own merit and I think we will, then fine, give Sam a go, if not then TC should be embraced and viewed as an opportunity. The main goal this year was survival in Div Two, blood new players and begin the rebuild. Winning Leinster or Sam is at best years away.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 10/04/2023 15:44:32    2470047

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Let's be honest if Meath can't beat Offaly and Louth/Westmeath we don't deserve to be in the premier competition anyway. Sad state of affairs if this scenario happens and I wouldn't put money on them winning the 2nd tier competition either.

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 148 - 10/04/2023 18:43:34    2470089

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The whole thing is very convuluted, a bit like a flowchart youd see on a factory wall, of potential outcomes, possibilities etc! but at least for Meath, they now have control over their own destinies.

I see it as a crossroads type moment for the county. Not at all in a negative way I'd add, just an interesting gauge of where the panel genuinely is at the moment.

Ive said previously that id like to see the team have a 4/5 game run in the Tailteann, pick up wins, build confidence, build rapport with management, and then build on that going forward. If not win the Tailteann, certainly get to the last 2/4. Thats just my opinion. When you look at this run to the Leinster final, its traditionally a gimme, but I definitely dont think it is for this Meath side. Im absolutely torn up over what is best for this panel at the moment.

On Leinster, Offaly will be very tough. They should have beaten a better Meath side two years back in Navan and lost purely because they conceded a goal from a high kick into the square, and also because they had no one to kick a point. When I was leaving Navan that day, I watched the Offaly team hobble and hop the short distance to their bus from the stadium and they looked absolutely wrecked from their efforts. They wont have forgotten that day. For me, full concentration is on that game alone for the time being... if Meath win, then and only then onto Westmeath/Louth, which I see as a 50/50 game.

Honestly I think all 4 teams on this side of the draw have similar chances of a Leinster final as things stand.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 596 - 10/04/2023 19:08:12    2470093

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Unfortunately it is clear that this season is gone already with the Clare result and the set up we have . I am not a fan but have to admit Mickey Harte is showing with Louth how the Job is done. If Meath are to get back on track they need to finance a proper structure behind the team lead by someone like Peter Canavan, Davy Byrne, Jim Mc Guinness, Maurice Fitzgerald, Davy Fitzgerald, Cora Staunton, or Paddy Carr."
I read that 5 times and it got funnier each time... one of the best in a while.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 10/04/2023 19:09:22    2470094

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If we aren't good enough for Sam, then let's embrace the Tailteann Cup.
A two tiered championship is a step in the right direction, and if we end up in tier 2 so be it.
If you look at the top teams they are all very physical and bring an intensity that we can't at present

atta (Meath) - Posts: 704 - 10/04/2023 21:13:31    2470101

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The reason for that is I have never seen Meath as bad. Reality is clare we're not on basis the second worse team in division, we were. And 15 men v louth wouldn't have made a difference we were not winning that game. Previous managers may have been at fault plenty of times. To say we were not extremely lucky to remain in division 2 is ludicrous. Clare had Dublin beat only for nerves to kick in. We never even got near dubs. What I'm trying to convey is clare deserves their place in all ire, they beat us and Roscommon last year. And beat cork this. They are a side I like lead by a manager who is doing fantastic work that even as SG said last night the players would die for. I don't know how you can take me praising a team punching well above the talents of individual players is a cut at Colm. You are right that if the system that is in place now we would be in trouble on a couple of years. But majority of them I can't see us playing tc even at that.
The only thing I said about Colm was now he has a chance to redeem himself and what was a disastrous league performance. I think we will all take another hiding from Dublin once we get to the round robin. It's two games one against Offaly that despite what was said last night on SG are a very poor team. And then most likely louth in Croke park where be it 15 v 15 there can be no excuses. Again louth played better than us over the whole league but I am as you said forever optimistic I believe that the meeting to clear the air and have a Frank and open discussion that has taken place will actually help. There is no point blaming it on Colm as the players have to take their responsibility for the worst performances consecutively for a long long time. Also good news is that Jordan Morris has not been dropped both mcentee and keoghan are for again as is walsh. So things maybe looking up for us at the right time. It's two games and the bonus is should we win Kildare will be out. Win win."
In Meath have short memories. We've often had bad results/ seasons in the last about 20 years.
In 2018 playing against us Longford made the Leinster semi finals for the only time in the last 35 years. In Bantys time we survived relegation in the last day one year with only 3 points and were relegated the following year.
In O'Rourke's time as manager so far in my opinion a fair assessment would be so far he hasn't managed to improve us as opposed to we are worse than recent times.
You keep banging on that we should have been relegated, again as I said it's swings and roundabouts, every team can probably point to games they could have taken more from (I didn't say Louth didn't deserve their win, just pointed out that from Meath point of view we were flying when the sending off happened in the first half, we also missed 45's late on against Limerick to win the game). If you ask Clare people I'd say the game they would think they left behind them was their game with Kildare not us.
I'm not saying we deserved to finish higher in the table, just showing that if I wanted to I could play the game of putting a positive spin on Meath's league campaign in the way you are negatively spinning everything.
Remember MOD got 4 seasons, Andy got 6 seasons, Colm team haven't played a championship game yet.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1402 - 11/04/2023 11:42:48    2470194

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Replying To atta:  "If we aren't good enough for Sam, then let's embrace the Tailteann Cup.
A two tiered championship is a step in the right direction, and if we end up in tier 2 so be it.
If you look at the top teams they are all very physical and bring an intensity that we can't at present"
Think I agree with Atta. If we end up in Tailteann Cup lets embrace it. However I might be deluded here but I think we can reach Leinster Final

seasiderblues (Meath) - Posts: 353 - 11/04/2023 12:00:06    2470203

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Tailteann it is. Meath should be a 1st seed just about although should Offaly and Down win this weekend that may affect us. Unlikely both will win
Meath should finish in top 3 of a four team group so at least 4 championship games to look forward to so looking like a great chance to start the rebuild with a few win and at least 1 knock out game

glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1116 - 25/04/2023 09:47:38    2473570

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This is the Tailteann cup picture at the minute:

1st seeds: Cavan, Meath.
2nd seeds: Antrim, Wicklow.
3rd seeds: Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Tipperary.
4th seeds: Carlow, London, Waterford, Wexford.

Preliminary quarter-finalists: New York
Other confirmed Tailteann participants: Fermanagh, Limerick.
To be confirmed: Cork, Down, Kildare, Offaly.

There still could be a few more interesting additions. I believe 2 of Cork, Down, Kildare, Offaly will enter the TC. It will probably Down and Offaly at this stage but that's still TBD

So on paper, Cavan, Meath, Down long the strongest, but we're 100% underdogs against any of those top seed teams the way we're playing.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 254 - 27/04/2023 13:35:20    2474241

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