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Na fianna going well again , unlucky with only getting 2 draws but very lucky on fixture locations again which is down to luck im sure..... How come they cant field a second team this year? underage has always been very solid and good population area , makes no sense? hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 19/07/2022 09:14:31 2432839 Link
Replying To hurlit: "Na fianna going well again , unlucky with only getting 2 draws but very lucky on fixture locations again which is down to luck im sure..... How come they cant field a second team this year? underage has always been very solid and good population area , makes no sense?" Yes not being able to field a 2nd team is ridiculous for the size of the area and this is before the the senior football championship even begins. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 19/07/2022 10:08:23 2432856 Link
Replying To Foley91: "Yes not being able to field a 2nd team is ridiculous for the size of the area and this is before the the senior football championship even begins." Would I be right in saying Blackhall have never fielded a 2nd team? And they are senior the last 15 years. Fair achievement with small numbers. This year they will struggle though. PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 19/07/2022 12:02:42 2432904 Link
Replying To hurlit: "Na fianna going well again , unlucky with only getting 2 draws but very lucky on fixture locations again which is down to luck im sure..... How come they cant field a second team this year? underage has always been very solid and good population area , makes no sense?" Very easy field second teams when you have only ONE hurling club in a parish and also raid neighbouring parishes. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 21/07/2022 21:12:48 2433467 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Very easy field second teams when you have only ONE hurling club in a parish and also raid neighbouring parishes." I suppose you better expand on your point so we can get a good friday debate going. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 22/07/2022 11:59:56 2433515 Link
Replying To Foley91: "I suppose you better expand on your point so we can get a good friday debate going." Very obvious, when there are 2 hurling clubs in a parish it is often not easy to have a second team especially since the age restrictions came in. Also when clubs draw some of their hurlers from neighbouring parishes there is no incentive to establish a hurling team in that parish. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 22/07/2022 15:44:24 2433574 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Very obvious, when there are 2 hurling clubs in a parish it is often not easy to have a second team especially since the age restrictions came in. Also when clubs draw some of their hurlers from neighbouring parishes there is no incentive to establish a hurling team in that parish." Perhaps I am out of the loop too long, but I thought Na Fianna's hurling was based out of Baconstown, and the only hurling club in the area, whilst surrounding hurling clubs are limited to Longwood, Rathmolyon and Blackhall Gaels. Are these clubs encroaching on boundaries, or, alternatively, are clubs across the border encroaching? I'd be interested in learning what's going on. notanadmin (Derry) - Posts: 6 - 22/07/2022 20:53:01 2433617 Link
Replying To hurlit: "Na fianna going well again , unlucky with only getting 2 draws but very lucky on fixture locations again which is down to luck im sure..... How come they cant field a second team this year? underage has always been very solid and good population area , makes no sense?" I'm not sure what it's like now, but when I was still playing (first 10ish years after the amalgamation) Na Fianna hurling still consisted of solely Baconstown players, with the odd exception from Enfield. Have they made any inroads into getting more hurlers from Enfield? Not fielding a 2nd team seems to suggest they haven't. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 23/07/2022 12:03:19 2433661 Link
Replying To hurlit: "Na fianna going well again , unlucky with only getting 2 draws but very lucky on fixture locations again which is down to luck im sure..... How come they cant field a second team this year? underage has always been very solid and good population area , makes no sense?" Well the match vs Ratoath was played on Kiltale's new (bigger) pitch. Much to the consternation of some Na Fianna officials I hear. slane85 (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 24/07/2022 19:38:17 2434015 Link
Replying To notanadmin: "Perhaps I am out of the loop too long, but I thought Na Fianna's hurling was based out of Baconstown, and the only hurling club in the area, whilst surrounding hurling clubs are limited to Longwood, Rathmolyon and Blackhall Gaels. Are these clubs encroaching on boundaries, or, alternatively, are clubs across the border encroaching? I'd be interested in learning what's going on." Na Fianna are still largely based in Baconstown, but they share the same parish as Rathmolyon, i.e. Rathmolyon/Enfield. Traditionally both Baconstown and Rathmolyon had Summerhill men play with them but in recent years the vast majority of Summerhill based hurlers now play with Kiltale. Longwood also have a few residents of the Rathmolyon/Enfield parish in their ranks. As far as I know Blackhall or Kildare clubs don't encroach. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 26/07/2022 11:07:26 2434482 Link
Both players that got sent off in the trim v kildalkey game got their bans thrown out!!! Honestly don't know what goes on in that county board. Both players got red cards for striking , one was across the head which is nasty and manages to get away with it. So all the giving out that was done about the referee not being in control of the game was a waste of time because the CCC is just as bad !! Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 30/07/2022 16:53:32 2435457 Link
Replying To Joe_soap1: "Both players that got sent off in the trim v kildalkey game got their bans thrown out!!! Honestly don't know what goes on in that county board. Both players got red cards for striking , one was across the head which is nasty and manages to get away with it. So all the giving out that was done about the referee not being in control of the game was a waste of time because the CCC is just as bad !!" I heard it was something to do with the referee's report having the wrong date when submitted, which if true, beggars belief. On the point of referees, the lad that officiated the Kiltale v Ratoath game made some shocking calls. A stupid high tackle from a Kiltale midfielder on a Ratoath forward called for a yellow, which would have been his second yellow (harsh I know), but he just got off with a warning. Even though he had been riding that risky train for the second half. Never mind the point in the first half that was deemed wide when everybody in the place could see it was a point! B52M (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 02/08/2022 08:18:06 2435839 Link
Replying To B52M: "I heard it was something to do with the referee's report having the wrong date when submitted, which if true, beggars belief. On the point of referees, the lad that officiated the Kiltale v Ratoath game made some shocking calls. A stupid high tackle from a Kiltale midfielder on a Ratoath forward called for a yellow, which would have been his second yellow (harsh I know), but he just got off with a warning. Even though he had been riding that risky train for the second half. Never mind the point in the first half that was deemed wide when everybody in the place could see it was a point!" Unfortunately thats just the standard we have at our disposal. Is there any sort of referee's panel that attend these games and grade the ref's and show them where they can improve? or is it because they do that in soccer the Gaa couldnt be seen to be doing the same. I know these people give up a lot of their own time to do it but they are also the only ones on the pitch getting paid for it. But in terms of the championship its the usual suspects again this year and looks like Trim and Kiltale set for the 2 semi spots. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 02/08/2022 12:36:58 2435878 Link
Could not believe that the 2 reds were rescinded, if the mainstream media ever got word of it or even a video of the incidents it would really put the hurling board to shame. As for the results at the weekend, nothing out of the ordinary, Trim and Kiltale shaping up to be a good clash. countyman123 (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 02/08/2022 14:46:15 2435897 Link
Replying To countyman123: "Could not believe that the 2 reds were rescinded, if the mainstream media ever got word of it or even a video of the incidents it would really put the hurling board to shame. As for the results at the weekend, nothing out of the ordinary, Trim and Kiltale shaping up to be a good clash." Nothing to do with the Hurling Board, it's long since defunct. The current Hurling Development Committee do not deal with disciplinary matters, that is the sole responsibility of the Competitions Control Committee, so it rests solely with that committee. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 02/08/2022 20:34:28 2435939 Link
was doing the maths today. If Na Fianna were to pull off a shock victory over Kiltale in the next round or just got Kiltale on a "bad" day and beat them, wouldnt that be almost certain to knock on of the big guns out of the championship except Kiltale? a win for Na fianna coupled with expected win over Dunboyne in the last game would leave NF on 6 points and qualified along with Kiltale on 6, it would be a straight shoot out between kildlakey and ratoath for qualification if trim beat ratoath next week, kildalkey would be on 4, assume the defeat dunboyne and rataoth possible on 3, if ratoath beat trim then trim are on 3 and could go out if kiltale beat them. the only ones not to lose out on all this are kiltale already now qualified. a loss for kiltale in next round would have a bit of a silver lining for them, if they did happen to have an off day. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 02/08/2022 21:49:27 2435947 Link
Correct. County board should have stepped in here and ensured those players were suspended whether the correct or incorrect date was put in. There's striking on the ball which is an offence but when its in a melee these guys shouldnt have been back playing this year. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 03/08/2022 08:05:42 2435950 Link
Replying To Foley91: "Correct. County board should have stepped in here and ensured those players were suspended whether the correct or incorrect date was put in. There's striking on the ball which is an offence but when its in a melee these guys shouldnt have been back playing this year." agree totally, bans should not have been lifted for the offences committed. however the CCC/Refs Committee need to address the issues that led to the bans been lifted, not good enough administration from the only person in the game (the ref) who get's paid. I recently heard a pod cast by our local newspaper company with the same referee on it talking about his style of refereeing and how he likes to let the game go, he hasn't a clue what he talking about, his job is to referee the game as per the rules and not by the style he wants to see, "on the edge" "on the line" utter bull, i was at the game between Killyon and Longwood last weekend and the performance of the ref was again very poor, not knowing what or how to implement rule's. Refs committee need to wake up. Any player or manager that i talk to don't agree with the statement made by the ref on his podcast about wanting to let it go where rules are not applied, Mr Referee start applying the rules of the game and not using your own rules. Signed: Current Hurling Manager. pixey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 03/08/2022 10:13:33 2435959 Link
Replying To pixey: "agree totally, bans should not have been lifted for the offences committed. however the CCC/Refs Committee need to address the issues that led to the bans been lifted, not good enough administration from the only person in the game (the ref) who get's paid. I recently heard a pod cast by our local newspaper company with the same referee on it talking about his style of refereeing and how he likes to let the game go, he hasn't a clue what he talking about, his job is to referee the game as per the rules and not by the style he wants to see, "on the edge" "on the line" utter bull, i was at the game between Killyon and Longwood last weekend and the performance of the ref was again very poor, not knowing what or how to implement rule's. Refs committee need to wake up. Any player or manager that i talk to don't agree with the statement made by the ref on his podcast about wanting to let it go where rules are not applied, Mr Referee start applying the rules of the game and not using your own rules. Signed: Current Hurling Manager." Agree on this completely. When the player welfare is at stake in such games, it becomes a huge issue. countyman123 (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 03/08/2022 11:03:35 2435968 Link
Replying To pixey: "agree totally, bans should not have been lifted for the offences committed. however the CCC/Refs Committee need to address the issues that led to the bans been lifted, not good enough administration from the only person in the game (the ref) who get's paid. I recently heard a pod cast by our local newspaper company with the same referee on it talking about his style of refereeing and how he likes to let the game go, he hasn't a clue what he talking about, his job is to referee the game as per the rules and not by the style he wants to see, "on the edge" "on the line" utter bull, i was at the game between Killyon and Longwood last weekend and the performance of the ref was again very poor, not knowing what or how to implement rule's. Refs committee need to wake up. Any player or manager that i talk to don't agree with the statement made by the ref on his podcast about wanting to let it go where rules are not applied, Mr Referee start applying the rules of the game and not using your own rules. Signed: Current Hurling Manager." Attacks on a referee from a anonymous account shouldn't be allowed. Video footage of both red cards from Trim and Kildalkey game have been doing the rounds on social media. How anyone can criticize the referee for these cards is beyond me. Says a lot about the clubs if they think both reds weren't justified and were worthy of an appeal. The Kildalkey red was extremely dangerous, Trim player was lucky he didn't end up in hospital. begining (UK) - Posts: 313 - 03/08/2022 12:04:10 2435982 Link