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Does anyone know when the club championship draw is scheduled for? gagaa (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 25/04/2022 10:32:58 2412970 Link
Replying To gagaa: "Does anyone know when the club championship draw is scheduled for?" 9th May Belt (Meath) - Posts: 272 - 25/04/2022 14:16:28 2413107 Link
Replying To Belt: "9th May" Thanks.. Is that 100% confirmed? gagaa (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 26/04/2022 15:16:15 2413367 Link
Heard there is a motion going to county board this weekend regarding quarter finals , Dunsany want an open draw which is delaying it. thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1073 - 27/04/2022 07:06:16 2413473 Link
Open draw will surely give them the edge in the junior after all these years. hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 27/04/2022 09:59:28 2413508 Link
Replying To thelutch: "Heard there is a motion going to county board this weekend regarding quarter finals , Dunsany want an open draw which is delaying it." Just an absolutely ridiculous motion. I hope they are laughed out of it Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 27/04/2022 10:28:07 2413525 Link
Replying To Anmhi364: "Just an absolutely ridiculous motion. I hope they are laughed out of it" I agree. Sure teams could be guaranteed to finish first or second after round 2 and if its an open draw it doesn't matter if you finish top or not so the last game would be a dead rubber therefore they could rest all their key players which could mean another team missing out on the knockouts . Would damage the integrity of the Championship IMO. Leave it be. No doubting there is some issues in the Meath Championships but this certainly isn't one of them Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 27/04/2022 11:00:32 2413542 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "I agree. Sure teams could be guaranteed to finish first or second after round 2 and if its an open draw it doesn't matter if you finish top or not so the last game would be a dead rubber therefore they could rest all their key players which could mean another team missing out on the knockouts . Would damage the integrity of the Championship IMO. Leave it be. No doubting there is some issues in the Meath Championships but this certainly isn't one of them" Its a completely pointless motion for the exact reason you've pointed out, the idea of winning the group is to be rewarded with the perceived easier draw against a 2nd place team. However the draw being on May 9th isn't any real issue, still roughly 3 months before the competition starts which is plenty of time. ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 27/04/2022 11:57:01 2413563 Link
I would imagine if it was a draw, it would be each top team drawn against an a team that finished second. not everyone into an open draw :/ de_man (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 27/04/2022 12:57:14 2413589 Link
Whatever about the actual proposals, I think it's pretty unacceptable for the competition formats to still be undecided days before the draws are to be made. They should be set in stone in January, and if anyone wants changes then they can suggest them for the following year. In recent years clubs have gotten bolder in proposing amendments that seem very specific and self serving, in some cases wanting changes to competition formats even after the competition has begun. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 27/04/2022 13:11:30 2413596 Link
Replying To de_man: "I would imagine if it was a draw, it would be each top team drawn against an a team that finished second. not everyone into an open draw :/" Ehhhh then it's not an open draw though!!! Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 27/04/2022 13:26:44 2413605 Link
The past few years, it has always been a case that a team finishing first in its group plays a team that finished second in another group and if I recall, teams that were in the same group wouldn't be able to meet in a semi final either! I am pretty sure the year that Ratoath beat Summerhill in the final, they had both been in the same group in the qualifying stages and in fact I think Summerhill won the group game! Personally, I like the championship format as it is and the only thing I would change is that I would exclude the 3rd place teams from the group stages from having to play in the relegation games! Just my opinion!! Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 27/04/2022 14:22:48 2413636 Link
After the re-structure in 2020 I think by and large the Meath championship is a brilliant structure. Only change I would make is 4 semi finalists are seeded in their groups the following year. Keep it simple. Dunsany's motion is embarrassing Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 27/04/2022 14:25:02 2413639 Link
This premier championship setup is nonsense Go back to junior a - d as it was and play it at the same time as first teams. Make it feel like a championship again If they want to argue over something For dunsany to consider the draws unfair when they have removed all the strong teams from junior and they still cant win it , just makes them look petty. hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 27/04/2022 15:55:16 2413685 Link
Replying To Anmhi364: "After the re-structure in 2020 I think by and large the Meath championship is a brilliant structure. Only change I would make is 4 semi finalists are seeded in their groups the following year. Keep it simple. Dunsany's motion is embarrassing" What was Dunsany's motion? LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 27/04/2022 20:39:17 2413739 Link
Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "What was Dunsany's motion?" Open draw for quarter finals Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 28/04/2022 10:17:52 2413786 Link
I would be in favour of open draw for 1/4 finals but definitely dont like the way its known from once the draw is made that is A1 v B2 etc esp when there are 5 groups where D & E have to go into a premilary 1/4 final. Would agree with an approach where all 1 top teams go into a pot and 2 teams into another and draw from there where teams from the same group couldnt play each other in the 1/4 final. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 28/04/2022 12:04:40 2413825 Link
Replying To juicy: "I would be in favour of open draw for 1/4 finals but definitely dont like the way its known from once the draw is made that is A1 v B2 etc esp when there are 5 groups where D & E have to go into a premilary 1/4 final. Would agree with an approach where all 1 top teams go into a pot and 2 teams into another and draw from there where teams from the same group couldnt play each other in the 1/4 final." If its an open draw and team has secured first or second spot whats to stop them resting 6 or 7 key men for the last game? One of the other teams in the group could miss out because that team rested half their starters. Does this not damage the integrity of the competition? Every now and again there is a dead rubber last group game for a team that has secured top spot but doesn't happen that often. We should be trying to limited the amount dead rubber group games not increase them which an open draw would do. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 28/04/2022 13:03:15 2413846 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "If its an open draw and team has secured first or second spot whats to stop them resting 6 or 7 key men for the last game? One of the other teams in the group could miss out because that team rested half their starters. Does this not damage the integrity of the competition? Every now and again there is a dead rubber last group game for a team that has secured top spot but doesn't happen that often. We should be trying to limited the amount dead rubber group games not increase them which an open draw would do." I think Juicys point was that a team that finished 1st can still only meet a team that finishes 2nd but that it would be a random draw after the group stage rather than knowing the exact layout of the 1/4 and semi finals from the get go. I'd agree with that aswell, teams will still fight to finish top of their group but won't know quarter final opponents until say the Monday after the groups finish ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 28/04/2022 14:22:16 2413884 Link
Replying To ratlag: "I think Juicys point was that a team that finished 1st can still only meet a team that finishes 2nd but that it would be a random draw after the group stage rather than knowing the exact layout of the 1/4 and semi finals from the get go. I'd agree with that aswell, teams will still fight to finish top of their group but won't know quarter final opponents until say the Monday after the groups finish" Yeah fair enough if that was the point he was making. Defintely better than having a full open draw. Out of curiosity would the team that finishes top of group A be able to be drawn against the 2nd place in group A in the open draw 1/4s or would it be you can't face the team from your group in the 1/4s? Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 28/04/2022 15:53:44 2413912 Link