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Replying To BigJoe14:  "1. Harry Hogan
2. Donal Keogan
3. Conor McGill
4. Eoin Harkin
5. Cathal Hickey
6. Padraig Harnan
7. James McEntee
8. Bryan Menton
9. Ronan Jones
10. Jason Scully
11. Shane Walsh
12. Jack O'Connor
13. Jordan Morris
14. Matthew Costello
15. Cillian O'Sullivan"
Some interesting positional selections there Joe. Could you expand a little bit on why you made some of them. Don't disagree with your 15 more interested in your thought process behind some of the choices

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 04/04/2022 15:44:54    2409568

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Who are the new names do you know ?? And while irrelevant how did we do in the challenges?"
I only know of two but assume there may be more. I don't want to name them as I'm not sure if they were brought in under viable consideration or to make numbers to cover injured players in games etc. As for the results I have no clue, I know the Tyrone team trained in Ratoath on Saturday morning as they had it up on their social media pages. As you said though, the result is irrelevant, I'd be more interested to know how we lined out and how our shooting/scoring was.
I'd imagine the likes of Jack Flynn, James McEntee, James Conlon, Ethan Devine, Bryan McMahon would have been given plenty of minutes to try and get them up to pace as they didn't play a lot during the league and then possibly Harnan if hes not injured, Robyn Clarke, Ronan Ryan etc

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 04/04/2022 16:02:32    2409577

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well might as well have a thread on this.
Despite a indifferent league I'm quite hopeful of a good run in championship and dare I say it maybe just maybe a Leinster. (Ok maybe I'm been over optimistic) but Dublin are not what they are, we should have beat them last year. And I can't see Kildare hype doing anything. I'm also a little bit cynical of the draw for semi finals. I have a sneaky feeling we will get drawn on opposite side of Dublin and Kildare, setting up what hq might determine as the biggest Leinster final crowd in a long time, with the expected pairings of Dublin v Meath in the ladies and mens finals. Now might be totally wrong, but it's just what I think.
I do feel that our forwards at the minute are either performing below what they should or are just not up to it. And that is the area we need to concentrate on, the gk situation is satisfactory which it hasn't been in awhile. And I don't care that hogan takes the frees either. Once he gets them. Jones and menton are a good pairing in middle. The fb line is more secure with McGill in there and I'm sure it will be solid when campaign starts. Same with hb line. It's when we get in the 6 forwards that we start to have problems, cos for all his brilliance can be downright frustrating, Jordan Morris is our main forward , he needs to score more from play, and up his performance to last years level, Costello? Same as Morris has disappointed this year. Shane walsh, I don't know what to say, honestly this was my big hope for our new marquee forward, people can talk about our style of play not suiting him and maybe it doesn't but to be a top ic forward you have to adapt, now hopefully he will reignite that spark, the talent is there so hopefully the hard ground will bring out the best in him, Thomas oreilly has actually been better this year than last but still needs to do more but he has improved, Jason scully was sublime against some teams this year , and was probably our best overall forward, banty should be given more time to make a impact on a game he had a mare against Galway, so did 12 others, he deserves a chance to redeem himself, joey wallace is a good impact sub and could push for a start. Jack O'Connor has certainly put his hand up for a start , Bryan McMahon I think is best utilised as a impact sub. All those players will hopefully improve with the better conditions and our style of play (rightly or wrongly) should really suit them in weather that is calmer. Ie no bloody storm force winds. Now people will say we should have different styles of play and I actually agree we should, other counties can adapt to conditions, we unfortunately as this year proved could not, let's be honest we should have beat Offaly Down and probably Roscommon but we (and I blame sideline for this) made a balls of it.
That all been said. I'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say the Delaney cup will have green and gold on it.
Hon the royal."
"let's be honest we should have beat Offaly Down and probably Roscommon", this is utter bull. Should have beaten Down given the first half performance but in the second half it appears as if 'they thought it would happen' rather than 'making it happen', so it didn't happen. Against Offaly…we were steeped to sneak that goal to level it. Wasn't at the Roscommon game, as Trim were in Croke Park, but going by Roscommon's performances since then it is plain we are well behind them because they score freely so get that notion out of your head at once.

Oh yea there is a story doing the rounds that Banty has walked, maybe you can clarify.

The only spark that I took from the League is that Keoghan can still perform and the return of Menton and Jones and I am praying that Jones is going to be ok. We were competitive when Menton and Jones returned and McGill will improve things at the back BUT apart from Jack O'Connor there has been NO improvement up front, therefore the patient is still on oxygen and needs much more.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 04/04/2022 16:57:18    2409606

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On another issue. Does anyone know if campion is still on the panel ? Is he injured ? Away ? Dropped ? Or dropped himself?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/04/2022 19:16:08    2409644

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Replying To ratlag:  "I only know of two but assume there may be more. I don't want to name them as I'm not sure if they were brought in under viable consideration or to make numbers to cover injured players in games etc. As for the results I have no clue, I know the Tyrone team trained in Ratoath on Saturday morning as they had it up on their social media pages. As you said though, the result is irrelevant, I'd be more interested to know how we lined out and how our shooting/scoring was.
I'd imagine the likes of Jack Flynn, James McEntee, James Conlon, Ethan Devine, Bryan McMahon would have been given plenty of minutes to try and get them up to pace as they didn't play a lot during the league and then possibly Harnan if hes not injured, Robyn Clarke, Ronan Ryan etc"
Yeah that's fair enough. Just hope we didn't pick up any injuries.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/04/2022 21:20:17    2409658

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so what happened to lynch from trim? was he looked at?

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 642 - 05/04/2022 08:46:01    2409666

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "1. Harry Hogan
2. Donal Keogan
3. Conor McGill
4. Eoin Harkin
5. Cathal Hickey
6. Padraig Harnan
7. James McEntee
8. Bryan Menton
9. Ronan Jones
10. Jason Scully
11. Shane Walsh
12. Jack O'Connor
13. Jordan Morris
14. Matthew Costello
15. Cillian O'Sullivan"
Cillian O' Sullivan is such a frustrating player, yes he got a nice inside step but invariably leads to nothing. Shane Walsh certainly does not have the stamina or fitness to be a CHF nor Costello the accuracy to be a FF.

If that's the team that lines out it will be a very short summer but I guess we are facing a short summer anyway so makes little difference.

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 148 - 05/04/2022 10:13:12    2409684

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Replying To MillerX:  ""let's be honest we should have beat Offaly Down and probably Roscommon", this is utter bull. Should have beaten Down given the first half performance but in the second half it appears as if 'they thought it would happen' rather than 'making it happen', so it didn't happen. Against Offaly…we were steeped to sneak that goal to level it. Wasn't at the Roscommon game, as Trim were in Croke Park, but going by Roscommon's performances since then it is plain we are well behind them because they score freely so get that notion out of your head at once.

Oh yea there is a story doing the rounds that Banty has walked, maybe you can clarify.

The only spark that I took from the League is that Keoghan can still perform and the return of Menton and Jones and I am praying that Jones is going to be ok. We were competitive when Menton and Jones returned and McGill will improve things at the back BUT apart from Jack O'Connor there has been NO improvement up front, therefore the patient is still on oxygen and needs much more."
If banty has walked I wouldn't blame the lad at all. Personally think he's better than Wallaces and McMahon and they have had more chances than him this year and failed to deliver. Very similar to Lenihan in that was lkeft kicking his heels and had enough. I'd hope that when the new manager comes in after the season that Banty gets a chance and expanded role under them.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 05/04/2022 10:31:35    2409692

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Replying To brian:  "If banty has walked I wouldn't blame the lad at all. Personally think he's better than Wallaces and McMahon and they have had more chances than him this year and failed to deliver. Very similar to Lenihan in that was lkeft kicking his heels and had enough. I'd hope that when the new manager comes in after the season that Banty gets a chance and expanded role under them."
There's no way in my opinion he is better than Joey Wallace or McMahon. Even club football backs this up. Probably better than Eamonn Wallace though but there are many players in Meath not on panel who are.

In any case all 3 of them (conlon, Joey and McMahon) aren't up to the level of a top 8 intercounty forward so it's a futile argument anyway.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 05/04/2022 13:14:25    2409742

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Replying To Crinigan:  "There's no way in my opinion he is better than Joey Wallace or McMahon. Even club football backs this up. Probably better than Eamonn Wallace though but there are many players in Meath not on panel who are.

In any case all 3 of them (conlon, Joey and McMahon) aren't up to the level of a top 8 intercounty forward so it's a futile argument anyway."
Agree with you that regardless of all of it they're not up to it at intercounty at the minute. Now i think Banty given a few games he might be better placed

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 05/04/2022 14:10:25    2409765

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Replying To brian:  "Agree with you that regardless of all of it they're not up to it at intercounty at the minute. Now i think Banty given a few games he might be better placed"
Hope he has not left panel, in and out, while never getting a run of games, he had more good outings than bad. Maybe a bit small for intercounty, however, his advantage over several starters was he is well able to kick points. Management have shown little confidence in him so its difficult to know would he have progressed.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 05/04/2022 15:39:39    2409803

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Replying To seadog54:  "Hope he has not left panel, in and out, while never getting a run of games, he had more good outings than bad. Maybe a bit small for intercounty, however, his advantage over several starters was he is well able to kick points. Management have shown little confidence in him so its difficult to know would he have progressed."
I think the issue is that he seems to never do well when starting (against say top 10 teams anyway) but always seems to do well when coming in from the bench which isn't generally a role any forward wants, as everyone wants to be starting. Now I don think he could have been brought on earlier against Derry say but unfortunately the role of the impact sub is 10-15 mins at the end of the game, which at the minute I think himself and Joey Wallace are ideally suited for, however neither will most likely be happy with

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 05/04/2022 16:27:12    2409816

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Replying To seadog54:  "Hope he has not left panel, in and out, while never getting a run of games, he had more good outings than bad. Maybe a bit small for intercounty, however, his advantage over several starters was he is well able to kick points. Management have shown little confidence in him so its difficult to know would he have progressed."
Banty is a really interesting player, I've seen him in club league games and he has kicked the lights out but when it comes to championship he rarely delivers. Compare that to the three Ratoath lads, McMahon delivers more regular while the other two can change a game but not influence it.

To me he is far too light and small for starting inter county football. He struggles to win his own ball in tight defences, if his marker is as quick as him then he also struggles out in front. He's not able to retain the ball in the tackle and can be bottled up easily.

We could get away with one of Joey, Eamonn or Bryan starting but that is it. If Eamonn starts it has to be at wing forward as he needs the space to run into, Joey and Bryan are much better in the corner and more physical than Banty.

Joey, Eamonn and Banty are all similar style, fast pacey and like to get the ball out in space.

Now the question is can Banty be used as an impact sub when the game opens up. We can't look at bringing on x2 Wallaces, McMahon and Banty in the forwards and having them all on at the same time so it asks the question what do having 3 very similar players (Wallaces and Banty) in both build and style wise add.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 05/04/2022 16:29:07    2409817

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Replying To seadog54:  "Hope he has not left panel, in and out, while never getting a run of games, he had more good outings than bad. Maybe a bit small for intercounty, however, his advantage over several starters was he is well able to kick points. Management have shown little confidence in him so its difficult to know would he have progressed."
Hearing he has gone but again might be just a rumour. .You couldn't blame him,started one match didn't do well(neither did most of the team that day)has only got a handful of token minutes since.Scored the winner v Clare I'm sure that gave him a lift but didn't get a chance to show v Derry.Not saying he should be starting all the time but the lads that are ,arent exactly shooting the lights out.Dont think it suits him the game we are playing.He would be much better if we had a big man inside to work off but unfortunately we don't have that.Also he needs quick ball into space not many lads would beat him to the ball for pace.But unfortunately that's not the game Andy mac plays either.Pity because he could do damage against a tiring defence.Dont like to see anyone leave the panel at this stage few weeks till championship can't be good for morale.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 05/04/2022 16:49:06    2409828

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Replying To brian:  "If banty has walked I wouldn't blame the lad at all. Personally think he's better than Wallaces and McMahon and they have had more chances than him this year and failed to deliver. Very similar to Lenihan in that was lkeft kicking his heels and had enough. I'd hope that when the new manager comes in after the season that Banty gets a chance and expanded role under them."
Not sure if he is better than the other subs or not but he is an excellent player and definitely better than J Morris/Walsh/Reilly /C O Sullivan and some others. I have great respect for all of them but it must drive Banty mad

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 05/04/2022 16:58:41    2409830

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Replying To MillerX:  ""let's be honest we should have beat Offaly Down and probably Roscommon", this is utter bull. Should have beaten Down given the first half performance but in the second half it appears as if 'they thought it would happen' rather than 'making it happen', so it didn't happen. Against Offaly…we were steeped to sneak that goal to level it. Wasn't at the Roscommon game, as Trim were in Croke Park, but going by Roscommon's performances since then it is plain we are well behind them because they score freely so get that notion out of your head at once.

Oh yea there is a story doing the rounds that Banty has walked, maybe you can clarify.

The only spark that I took from the League is that Keoghan can still perform and the return of Menton and Jones and I am praying that Jones is going to be ok. We were competitive when Menton and Jones returned and McGill will improve things at the back BUT apart from Jack O'Connor there has been NO improvement up front, therefore the patient is still on oxygen and needs much more."
I haven't heard anything regarding banty. Sure this time last year was it yourself who heard the rumour keoghan had walked ??
Anyway yes should have beat Offaly we messed up but messed up worse v Roscommon. And trust me they won't do anything in championship apart from maybe teach the final as been drawn on opposite side to mayo & Galway. Both of whom will
Go further than the rossies.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/04/2022 17:19:21    2409835

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Not sure if he is better than the other subs or not but he is an excellent player and definitely better than J Morris/Walsh/Reilly /C O Sullivan and some others. I have great respect for all of them but it must drive Banty mad"
This is a classic case of overrating a player who isn't playing. Banty has never had a big game against a good team. And I do think he is probably more deserving than McMahon or the Wallaces of game time because he is a more natural scorer. He is not better than Morris or O'Sullivan I don't think. Walsh has had better games than Banty for Meath and as for Thomas he plays 11 and he is certainly a lot better at 11 than Banty would be so that's a terrible comparison. Club football is a different sport to inter-county against division 1 or even Division 2 teams. With time and space and on the front foot Banty can torture a defense. In a tighter game, he isn't better than the 4 guys you've mentioned, or certainly, he hasn't proven it. And again I think he should have more game time, but you're just hyping Banty up because he is the one who hasn't been playing.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 05/04/2022 17:52:19    2409845

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Not sure if he is better than the other subs or not but he is an excellent player and definitely better than J Morris/Walsh/Reilly /C O Sullivan and some others. I have great respect for all of them but it must drive Banty mad"
I didn't even read this properly. You somehow think that Banty is at the same level as our other subs but is definitely better than the 4 starters you named. So who are the other subs you think are better than them? What were you starting 6 forwards be?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 05/04/2022 18:51:25    2409858

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Not sure if he is better than the other subs or not but he is an excellent player and definitely better than J Morris/Walsh/Reilly /C O Sullivan and some others. I have great respect for all of them but it must drive Banty mad"
So you reckon he may not be better than the subs but he is better than 4 of the starting 6 forwards?

I'm not saying you are wrong! But it does seem odd!!

For what it's worth - I think McMahon is a corner forward who McEntee has tried to play at 11! He has never played at 11 for Ratoath!
I think Joe WAllace has been the best forward in Meath senior championship for 2 of the last 3 years (when he decided to play!!) so not sure I'd put Conlon ahead of him!

Truth is I don't think either WAllace or Conlon have performed to their best at county level - maybe their markers are that much better than they face when at club level!!! Or maybe, and this is what I believe - given their stature and their speed, ball into them should be played out in front into space - but what we seem to do is hit high ball in on top of them both!!

I felt sorry for a Conlon in the leinster final against the Dubs - played as a sole man in the full forward line with ball after ball being pumped in high to him

Anyway - what do I know!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 05/04/2022 21:56:23    2409874

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I haven't heard anything regarding banty. Sure this time last year was it yourself who heard the rumour keoghan had walked ??
Anyway yes should have beat Offaly we messed up but messed up worse v Roscommon. And trust me they won't do anything in championship apart from maybe teach the final as been drawn on opposite side to mayo & Galway. Both of whom will
Go further than the rossies."
I did NOT say or post that "Keoghan had walked". Any day you score a goal late in injury to draw you can count yourself lucky. And as you seemed up to this to have the inside track on banty I was just wondering if you could confirm or scotch a rumour that came my way.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 06/04/2022 10:14:14    2409905

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